Pakistan And The SU-35 Saga Continues

[Abid123]

If you are going for a flanker. Go for the J-16. I know that China needs Russia's permission to sell them. But J-16 is much better than the SU-35. I would take the J-16 anyday over the SU-35.

 

[Windjammer]

This is an interesting development, if true. SU 35 will give deep strike capability to PAF and will surely trouble IAF like anything else before it. It has bigger geo-political implications for Russian - India relationship than India's purchase of S-400.

From a biased perspective, I think it will be better for Russia to sell these fighters at a discount to India. India can compensate for the discount with a more determined push for the Super Sukhoi upgrade. SU-35 will have some parts in common with Super Sukhoi and therefore it is not too bad from logistics perspective for IAF.

Yes India accommodating a somewhat similar system to SU-30 would make sense but never ever heard or read that IAF ever showing any interest in the type.

 

[maverick1977]

SU35 has been settled. China was willing to fund 2 squardons but PAF refused to logistics. But china kept pushing for 2 squardons in shapre of J16 or J10Cs for CPEC Maritime protection and Pakistan went with J10Cs. End of story.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Is it bad that I want these in PAF/PN just cos they look so damn good but luckily for Pakistan, the AF/Navy doesn't base their choices on looks alone.

 

[Microsoft]

So the SU-35 would be pitched against S-400? Why would the Russians guarantee at least one of their frontline systems ends up looking like trash?

 

[Falconless]

So the SU-35 would be pitched against S-400? Why would the Russians guarantee at least one of their frontline systems ends up looking like trash?

Because Pakistani wet dreams of putin being a strategic ally of Pakistan.

 

[araz]

China operates both and given their findings during exercise; that will be an observation to keep a close eye. Hence, PAF might know well that how it performs and what it is worth of.


Ohh.... you mean about that new interest in SU-35?

Does China operate SU35s with the original PESA or have they exchanged that with an AESA radar? I suspect that is where the difference lies. It remains in Chinese interest to over play the J10 hand. SU35 with an appropriate AESA could be quite a handful in my view. Unless the Russian views about hardware from multiple sources plus PAF ability to integrate weapons of its choice change , it is unlikely PAF will procure it.
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[Riz]

Does China operate SU35s with the original PESA or have they exchanged that with an AESA radar? I suspect that is where the difference lies. It remains in Chinese interest to over play the J10 hand. SU35 with an appropriate AESA could be quite a handful in my view. Unless the Russian views about hardware from multiple sources plus PAF ability to integrate weapons of its choice change , it is unlikely PAF will procure it.
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If we are so good in dealing with powerful countries, then we should request Russia to approve china pak J-16 deal , if Russia agree then chines won’t have any problems selling J-16 to Pakistan, SU-35 is a brilliant machine no doubt about that , but we can’t afford new platform , our future weapon system will be chines so we dont have any problems customizing J-16 according to our requirements , the second twin engine which I prefer most is JH-7

 

[maverick1977]

SU35 has been settled. China was willing to fund 2 squardons but PAF refused to logistics. But china kept pushing for 2 squardons in shapre of J16 or J10Cs for CPEC Maritime protection and Pakistan went with J10Cs. End of story.

@Falcon26, I wish you knewa

SU35 has been settled. China was willing to fund 2 squardons but PAF refused to logistics. But china kept pushing for 2 squardons in shapre of J16 or J10Cs for CPEC Maritime protection and Pakistan went with J10Cs. End of story.

@Shotgunner51 @Falcon26 , just like i told everyone last year in July that J10Cs are coming, the same higher up (2 star) shared the story what transpired … so take it or leave it

 

[Raider 21]

Yeah that's the real concern. Just expanding the discussion further if anyone can confirm about UAE's interest into SU-35 and any progress.

Was a long time ago. The Su-35 could not meet their operational requirements. It may fly well with pilots, but not as easily with maintenance when compared to the F-16.

 

[The Eagle]

Was a long time ago. The Su-35 could not meet their operational requirements. It may fly well with pilots, but not as easily with maintenance when compared to the F-16.

Maintenance remained main point when it comes to SU-35 as well. Do you think that the topic as such is long settled and don't see PAF going down such a road?

 

[iLION12345_1]

If you are going for a flanker. Go for the J-16. I know that China needs Russia's permission to sell them. But J-16 is much better than the SU-35. I would take the J-16 anyday over the SU-35.

J-16 or any Chinese flanker is not for sale, me and Deino repeat this every other day but unfortunately some Pakistanis never want to be Realistic. Unless China gets permission from Russia. PAF will never get J-11, J-15 or J-16.

Highly unlikely specially with J-15s coming soon.

Not for sale.

 

[CriticalThought]

There was only one Twitter Account recently suggested the SU-35 interest by PAF or at-least a rumor. I don't know that how come such a flanker fits the bill for Pakistan given adversaries life long experience and then above all, the supply chain & maintenance concerns. Imagine if Egypt & others backed out; what good it might bring for PAF if we just forget past interest for SU-35s. The issue was more of a tailor made PAF specific version having mix of OEM's equipment & gadget which was apparently denied or there was another argument that such interest was merely to send a message to someone else.

Do you think a large RCS Flanker will somehow be acquired by PAF whereby we already have talks about J-10Cs coming to PAF. In-fact Pakistan does not enjoy a high level defence relations with Russia like China. In my opinion, this interest somehow conflicts PAF's next procurement. Furthermore, just look at the types of ACs in inventory with one more different platform such as J-10CP possibly coming. So, I don't see all these types maintained by PAF given the major issue of finance as well.

If J-10Cs are here, there comes another capability to PAF and furthermore, it will be NGF to retire the aging fleet post 2030.

I have long supported the acquisition of Su-35/J-15/J-16 for maritime ops. Let us not forget some key facts here:

• PAF never acquires merely a platform. Alhamdulillah, it acquires complete MRO infrastructure even if it takes time to build it.
• PAF doesn't blindly operate a jet. It makes modifications to it, in order to suit its purpose. It is only the rare case of F-16, where American technological excellence and attention to detail means the PAF doesn't have too many wishes, or due to security situation, is forced to accept American restrictions.

IF PAF goes for Su-35, it is incomprehensible it will agree to a deal that doesn't allow it to customize the aircraft. And those customizations will Insha Allah negate any experience IAF has with their Su-30s.

 

[Basel]

I agree in regard to utility of dual engine fighter jet as compare to single engine for Sea Missions. However, my point was in regard to having yet another platform, different than already 3 types in inventory, can lead to what we saw with IAF. Instead, I will rather wish for something like J-16 with all its wild weasels .

PAF need aircrafts in class of Su-35 for maritime role, as they can provide long range escort for naval air assets, long range CAPs and long range maritime strike role etc. One should remember that India will prefer to keep it's ACC far from our sea borders with possibly aircrafts like F-18s or Rafale-M which are potent long range birds.

There are several senarios at sea war where a bird in class of Su-35 is needed to safeguard out interests and assets.

 

[luciferdd]

The United States will sanction every country that want to buys these Russian fighters(except India)，that's why Egypt and Malaysia withdrew from the deal.I don't think you or PAF will want to try it...though Su-35 is a good choice.