Pakistan and India, both may get SCO full membership

[IR-TR]

I actually see India joining SCO as a good sign.

Russia is extremely anti-US.

Why would they want (or allow) a pro-US India to join?

The answer is simple: India isn't pro-US.

The Indians on PDF are not representative of the Indian government or Indian population. Most of the guys on PDF are probably posting from the West. I would ignore their trolling.

India has the very best policy right now: non-alignment. Neither pro him nor pro her. Just do what's best to rise peacefully and quickly. As you rise, others will try to slow you down. Then, we see who India's enemies are. I don't think they're in Asia.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

China literally invented diplomacy. China has been playing diplomacy since the spring and authum period.

Sorry but now? Through warnings?

 

[CCP]

Sorry but now? Through warnings?

Yeah, through our tanks （~400km away from your capital）.

 

[Nan Yang]

Then their diplomacy must be quite bad then, since they haven't been able to use it to full effect and avoid invasions and seizure of their lands by foreign/western powers of which Moscow is the main one, having seize huge swaths of their land the size of Europe to this day.

China under the Qing dynasty was declining and the period coincide with the rise of European powers due to the industrial revolution. Qing was weak but managed to stay basically intact by playing one European power against another.
The situation could be worst after the fall of the Qing as Xinjiang and Tibet had separatist movements plus all the warlords supported by Western powers were breaking China up.
But fortunately China under CCP manage to united all China and today China is the 3rd largest country in the world. Not bad I would think. Despite the Western media keep harping that China invaded Tibet in fact Tibet was actually peacefully liberated. Dalai Lama himself open the gates of Lhasa after signing the 17 pt agreement. That's diplomacy too.
China even got back Taiwan from Japan after WW2 and became one of the UNSC Veto member. Not to mention Deng got Hong Kong back with its bullion intact without firing a single shot at a time when China is still a weak country. This is the acme of warfare. This was right after the Iron Lady defeated Argentina in the Falkland war.
China today is the 2nd largest economy in part due to China's diplomacy. I.e. keeping a low profile and letting US bankrupt itself trying to imposed it ideology all around the world.

Today China is taking on the world with its Asian Infrastructure Bank and the one belt one road. The next few years will be very interesting.

 

[IR-TR]

SCO is is not dead. However i do agree with that Indian's foreign policy is anything but neutral.

Well, neutral as in India's foreign policy only aligns with it's own interest. There is no 'hurting your own interest in order to appease X or Y'. And that's good.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

There‘s a fine line between “non-alignment” and “non-cooperative”

For India，sometimes I have this impression that they don’t know the difference

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Yeah, through our tanks （~400km away from your capital）.

Spoken like a real CCP bot

 

[mike2000 is back]

Well, neutral as in India's foreign policy only aligns with it's own interest. There is no 'hurting your own interest in order to appease X or Y'. And that's good.

Agree 100%. Russia and China think India will take a hostile position towards the West/U.S just for their own sake. That wont obviously happen, if they think that way,i must say they are dreaming.

 

[kaku1]

Agree 10%. Russia and China think India will take a hostile position towards us just for their own sake, i must say they are dreaming.

This is Chinese or Russian POV ? Or of PDF? Thats the real question.

 

[mike2000 is back]

This is Chinese or Russian POV ? Or of PDF? Thats the real question.

I will say Russo-Chinese PDF POV.

However, i think some Russian/Chinese leaders might be inclined to think so, having granted India accession to SCO. I think they are in for a rude awakening though, since India will do what is best for India, and being anti western/taking a hostile stance against the west isn't in India's interest at all. Since we have no issues with India.

 

[Echo_419]

SCO is is not dead. However i do agree with that Indian's foreign policy is anything but neutral.

Of course no country is truly neutral

I will say Russo-Chinese PDF POV.

However, i think some Russian/Chinese leaders might be inclined to think so, having granted India accession to SCO. I think they are in for a rude awakening though, since India will do what is best for India, and being anti western/taking a hostile stance against the west isn't in India's interest at all. Since we have no issues with India.

Exactly we are anti-Western only in rhetoric,our ties with West are very deep & will continue to grow
Eg India is a major investor in UK

 

[kaku1]

I will say Russo-Chinese PDF POV.

However, i think some Russian/Chinese leaders might be inclined to think so, having granted India accession to SCO. I think they are in for a rude awakening though, since India will do what is best for India, and being anti western/taking a hostile stance against the west isn't in India's interest at all. Since we have no issues with India.

It would be naive to think, lets just ignore India.

In a situation when Russia in deep economic crisis, and want to transfer his dependence from Europe to China and India.
Definitely Russia going to sell large amount of Gas and Oil to India in very near future, a gas pipeline is already planned via China. And Russia forcing China to give transit rights.

On the other note, you can conclude many things why currency swaps was happened in BRICS countries.

 

[mike2000 is back]

The situation could be worst after the fall of the Qing as Xinjiang

Yes you do know who even started supporting Xijiang/Uygur separatists in the first place against China(KMT/ROC) to divide China right?? Guess who? Its not the 'evil' West/U.S.

The Soviets in Xinjiang (1911-1949)
Second East Turkestan Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ili Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



MAO summed this up sarcastically very well i quote: “there was a man by the name of Stalin, who took Port Arthur and turned Xinjiang and Manchuria into semi-colonies, and he also created four joint companies. These were all his good deeds.”

Creating a Soviet ‘Semi-Colony’? Sino-Soviet Cooperation and its Demise in Xinjiang, 1949-1955 | Charles Kraus - Academia.edu

 

[j20blackdragon]

Allow me to predict how things will unfold over the course of the 21st century.

SCO will eventually seize control of the oil and gas supplies in the Middle East. China and India combined have over 2.5 billion people. Taking the oil by force is the only way we can survive long term and maintain a modern industrialized economy. I believe China and India will see eye to eye on this. There is no other way.

If you take a look at a map of the SCO, you can see that we are already on the doorstep of the Middle East. All we have to do is take that final step in.

The US will be fine because North America has plenty of oil.

The big losers here will be the EU.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Problem with Asian/South Asian powers has been that they were never expeditionary. Mostly they would go as far as Middle east or say Japan side. Now the West has always reached till the end of the world literally.

From the time of Romans and Greeks there were expeditions this far.

Even today u can see that Britain/America/France etc running diplomacy in all the continents. Where as no Asian country does so. Recent middle eastern crisis are an example for this.

Rich resources and plenty of food i believe are the culprits actually !!!! that there was no need to venture too far.
I believe the Westerners living in cold and harsh climates had to venture out (this is my personal opinion though) for most things.

But i am sure being exposed to the world wars, cold war and the unipolar world my Asian brethren have learnt this great game rules. Its just that u can't change status quo overnight. And as years go by there will be convergence in Asia. I don't mean to say in the sense of we have to attack/put down West way, but work towards a multi polar world. The yanks are having too much fun till now along with other Western powers.

Well you are absolutely right. We in the west have always been more expeditionary than any other region/countries out there. Thing is we(as great powers) always think globally, not regionally/locally like most Asian countries do. This is what gives/gave us advantage in dealing with other countries/powers. as we visited/settled in many countries and learned from them(in case they had something we didn't).
However, i will summarize this for two main reasons: Competition and culture

There were at least 6 European states that were capable of mounting trans-oceanic expeditions for some or all of this period in history i.e Portugal, Spain, Netherlands,France, Italy(to a lesser extent) and of course our great Britain. They were all aggressive states often at war and in need of resources. for exampe Columbus shopped his 'sail west to China' plan all over Europe before he got backing from Ferdinand and Isabella (single best VC pay-off EVER). So where the Emperor could shut down expeditions, there was no-one in Europe who could have done that, and plenty of states willing to fund expeditions in search of land and trade.

Further, these societies were all much more warlike than China/Japan/Asian powers. There was a culture of going out and conquering each other and were always plenty of adventurers willing to go off in search of glory and loot (Cortes, Pizarro, Clive) without much interest in what the government wanted. (OUR British 'Empire' in particular had a tendency to grow against the wishes of anyone in London.) Chinese/Asian wars were about control of China/Asia itself, and tended to be much rarer - Europeans had been at war more or less continuously for a thousand years. Indeed a large part of Spanish expansion in the Americas is about the redirection of energies from the recently completed Reconquista. @Carlosa .

Finally, China/Asian powers (generalising hugely) tended to see the world as China/Asia, plus a few minor subsidiary peoples (Vietnam, Korea, Japan,etc) around the edges that weren't worth bothering with. So maybe this explains why were sailed round/colonized the globe, while Asian countries/powers mainly limited themselves regionally.

Allow me to predict how things will unfold over the course of the 21st century.

SCO will eventually seize control of the oil and gas supplies in the Middle East. China and India combined have over 2.5 billion people. Taking the oil by force is the only way we can survive long term and maintain a modern industrialized economy. I believe China and India will see eye to eye on this. There is no other way.

If you take a look at a map of the SCO, you can see that we are already on the doorstep of the Middle East. All we have to do is take that final step in.

The US will be fine because North America has plenty of oil.

The big losers here will be the EU.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PLAN.