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Pakistan accuses US State Department of lying.

yera, koi concrete cheez nai milli.....just denials rhetoric for domestic consumption.

Moral stands are much difficult against powerful entities. No country would have rebutted United States of America unless there was a very good reason to do that.

A concrete evidence will be a tape or transcript which no side will issue. Its up to you to consider which side makes sense to you, but I have clarity that Pakistan is right on that.
 
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First big mistake Imran Khan made, talking to 2nd rate leadership Pompeo. Qureshi should have talked with Imran Khan if Trump was not available.
 
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Pakistan should cancel this trip. It already started on wrong footing and a bunch of lies by US, it is not going to end well. Better cancel it and take the high ground, besides Trumps going to be impeached pretty soon


ISLAMABAD: US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s visit to Islamabad is likely to go ahead despite the controversy that erupted over his telephonic conversation with Prime Minister Imran Khan.

“We are looking forward to Secretary Pompeo’s visit to engage with him for peace and stability and look at areas where we can cooperate,” Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said at a press conference at the Foreign Office on Friday.

Secretary Pompeo is expected to visit Islamabad on Sept 5.

Mr Pompeo had earlier phoned Mr Khan to greet him on the assumption of office. The controversy started with the readout of the conversation issued by the State Department, which stated: “Secretary Pompeo raised the importance of Pakistan taking decisive action against all terrorists operating in Pakistan and its vital role in promoting the Afghan peace process.”

Foreign Minister Qureshi says US account of phone conversation is ‘contrary to reality’; Washington stands by its readout

The FO rejected the US assertion, saying it was “factually incorrect” and that nothing of that sort had been mentioned during the conversation. The State Department, however, disregarded Pakistani contention and stood by its initial readout of the phone call.

Mr Qureshi, who had ordered his ministry to issue a rebuttal over the State Department claim, weighed in on the issue and said the American statement was “contrary to the reality”.

He, however, emphasised that Pakistan’s relationship with the US was important and the PTI government would like to have a constructive engagement with Washington by building on the convergences in the relationship.

The foreign minister also mentioned the importance of cooperating with the US for peace in Afghanistan for improving the complexion of Pakistan-US ties. “We will have to understand their expectations and they would have to look at our requirements. It is not a one-way relationship,” he maintained.

Later, talking to the outgoing US ambassador David Hale, who paid a farewell call on him, Mr Qureshi said his interactions with the US leadership would be based on honesty and sincerity so as to develop a sustained partnership in the interest of both countries.

Meanwhile, State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert stressed that the US still saw Pakistan as “an important partner” and “hope(s) to forge a good, productive working relationship with the new civilian government” in Islamabad.

“My understanding is that the beginning of the call or the call itself was a good call and a good discussion toward our working with the new government and the new administration,” she said.

However, she said, “We stand by our readout.”

Wang due on Sept 8

Mr Qureshi said his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi would be visiting Islamabad on Sept 8.

The foreign minister underscored the importance of Pakistan-China relations saying that China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) was “an important development” and the PTI government would seek to “benefit to the fullest” from it.

He described the Pak-China relations as exemplary. “The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation also brings numerous opportunities, and how Pakistan can benefit has to be analysed,” he said.

Also, Iranian foreign minister Javad Zarif is expected to visit Pakistan by the month end. Similarly, the Japanese minister of state for foreign affairs expressed his interest in visiting Islamabad for engaging with the new government.

Responding to a question about dialogue with India, Mr Qureshi said there was no other option. “Irrespective of whether or not we make progress in ties, we will have to talk,” he said.

He recalled that it was prime minister’s desire to improve ties with India and Mr Khan had mentioned the same during his victory speech after the general election.

He also said Indian external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj had sent a greeting message for him on becoming the foreign minister.

Mr Qureshi had last week kicked up a minor controversy when his statement was assumed to have suggested that India had offered to open dialogue with Pakistan. The FO had to clarify Mr Qureshi’s comments after India denied the statement.

PM visits FO

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday paid his first visit to the Foreign Office where he was briefed on some more important matters related to external affairs. He stayed there for nearly an hour and a half.

It is said that Mr Khan “gave guidelines” on foreign policy. The PTI leadership had earlier stated that Pakistan’s interests would be central to foreign policy operations.

Anwar Iqbal also contributed to this report from Washington.

Published in Dawn, August 25th, 2018
 
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Better suggestion instead of Pakistani PM meeting himself , a fellow with similar state in Pakistan meet him
Pakistan needs to show some backbone on this
 
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Hospitality in foreign affairs is not without rules.
While dealing a lowlife, you hospitality would always be taken as your weakness.
But at least after so many blunders, we should learn something in foreign affairs and it's time to convert this dummy FO into a real FO

Not everything is clear cut.....PLUS who knows what bimbo wanted to say that he upgraded himself and called the PM....

Had he not thought of himself so important this wouldnt have happened...2ndly, we are a nation who are very hospitable...we dont divert calls to hurt bimbos ....3rdly, now it is done, bimbo should have realized his mistake of overstepping and kept his mouth shut ...he caused the whole white house shame....
 
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The more I think about this "spat" the more I agree that a tone had to be set. Its better that Pak sets it.

Lets recall how Trump started his new year:
Trumps-Pakistan-tweet.jpg


We are so far past the "diplomacy" stage with the Trump admin. He clearly has no respect for the 70k Pak dead and the economic damage endured and he is not about to see the light any time soon.
 
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but they did said that they stand by their press release.......and we also didnt release any recording or transcript either to show otherwise?
Did US released audio of the phone, or you are acting like their ___ sucker and believe them without any evidence.
 
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Blaming the media is not the solution...
Much of the time it is not. But in this case.. well, look at the "Western" Reuters story about it. The authors are Pakistanis: one is a Pakistani diplomat and the other a Pakistani reporter heavily dependent on Pakistani government sources. So the "outrage" here is something manufactured - both on the Pakistani end and the illusory bit on the "Western" end.

It's a tempest in a teapot.

More likely the REAL story is about using anti-Americanism as a tool of rule and Pakistan's FM working to keep foreign policy in his pocket, not Imran Khan's. As he stated in a speech only three days earlier, foreign policy was made in his bailiwick, not elsewhere.

(@BHarwana, of course, was quite aware of this, which is why he switched from substantive to personal attacks when I obliquely pointed this out.)

@AgNoStiC MuSliM
 
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Much of the time it is not. But in this case.. well, look at the "Western" Reuters story about it.


Wrong.

While it has become fashionable to blame the media in Washington for everything, it is not the solution and the same goes for this case. Fact of the matter is if Secretary Pompeo is the one making a claim then the burden of proof is on him. The State Dept hasn't released anything.


More likely the REAL story is about using anti-Americanism as a tool of rule and Pakistan's FM working to keep foreign policy in his pocket, not Imran Khan's. As he stated in a speech only three days earlier, foreign policy was made in his bailiwick, not elsewhere.


Delusional.

The ONLY story here is that America First foreign policy is meeting Pakistan First foreign policy which is bound to ruffle a few feathers in Washington.

As for your appologist argument of anti-Americanism, it doesn't hold up given the Trump White House has a record of pandering to racist and neo-Nazi elements which has led to historic low approval ratings of the President. There is no reason to believe an unpopular President at home will be popular abroad.

It's a tempest in a teapot.


Agreed.

State Dept should have been more careful. Could have avoided this storm in a chai thermos.
 
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The more I think about this "spat" the more I agree that a tone had to be set. Its better that Pak sets it.

Lets recall how Trump started his new year:
Trumps-Pakistan-tweet.jpg


We are so far past the "diplomacy" stage with the Trump admin. He clearly has no respect for the 70k Pak dead and the economic damage endured and he is not about to see the light any time soon.
He basically is an American CEO!!! He has no respect for anyone including himself!!!!

@graphican @Taimoor Khan

What might happened inside... In a recent Pak-US diplomatic controversy on whether Mike Pompeo did or didn't discuss terror with Imran Khan can be marked first US attempt to draw a rift between fragile civil-military relation in Pakistan, since this government came into power.

The US said Pompeo raised the issue of Islamabad taking "decisive action" on terrorists operating in Pakistan

Pakistan says the issue never came up in Pompeo's call with new PM Imran Khan

Later, the US said it stands by its statement that terror was discussed.

To my mind, Pompeo would have raised this issue with Khan in one way or another but inexperienced Khan couldn't pick his diplomatic intricacy & underestimated the sensitivity of this issue. He might be responded in his typical casual manner but when US foreign office issued details of this talk to media then high officials, here, realised that Khan has been diplomatically decieved by US Secretary. So to avoid any distress they come up with complete denial of any talk on terror.

Why I be of this opinion because this complete denial is senseless. Those who are familiar with US rhetoric, they know US always ask for 'do more' & terrorism etc, whenever they had any talk with Pakistani official. Now the question rises, when they are used to of discussing terror with us then why they wouldn't do this time. Their stand by with their statement clearly suggests that our officials are trying to fix this issue underhand.

There is need that Khan remains more careful on diplomatic sphere because such controversies can bring a real fracture to civil-military ties.
Lend your ears to all, voice to none!!! Imran Bey better keeps his calm like a Dervish against the Demagogues from these Devils!! Even the regular US folks have got fed up....

Yes you are correct she had a discussion but the thing you need to look for is was that discussion before or after Pakistani foreign office statement. There is a little element of shock in here as well. It show they were not prepared for this response and were going to play their game like the old habit. This is where your first statement gets the weight.
Old habits die hard...

Listen to what Shah Mehmood Qureshi said about this incident, that somebody from Foreign Office was part of the telephone conversation and the issue of misreporting is raised by Foreign office instead of Imran Khan. This is not possible that IK alone, and together with a trained diplomat from the Foreign Office would have missed a comment on terrorism, specially when Pakistan has a sensitivity towards this subject.



USA foreign office has been doing these dirty games long with many countries including Pakistan before, and no one had guts to correct their wrong doing as no one wanted to offend them. I was listening to analysts earlier today and everyone agreed that American statement was visibly weak as their foreign office tried to hide the contents and in the same standing tried to appease Pakistan and that they want to work with it. If Pakistan was lying, Americans would had happily revealed transcript of this conversation to pressurise Pakistan. But since they are lying, they cannot do that as Pakistan would have recording of the conversation as well.

If it was Nawaz vs USA, (haha, funny what example I am giving) then I would had given more weight to US version as Nawaz was a low grade human. Between Imran Khan and USA, I will side with Imran Khan every times and I trust him as an honest and straight forward person.

Concluding, USA did a dirty game and got a slap on their face. Stupids thought IK was Zardari or Nawaz Sharif.

As a closing remark, take it easy, its not a big issue. USA has learned a lesson and next time they will try to be a good bit*ch.
President Trump got the best of Stormy Daniels!!! Imran Bey married a Goldsmith....
 
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Be ready for a surprise as republicans are on their way to win this election as well. Don't depend on US media it's rightly called the FAKE NEWS media by Trump.
Everything that criticizes trump is fake news to trump.

Don't give me that bullshit.

The republicans are at a historical low point. they won't win the next elections, and trump has made sure of that much.
 
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Fact of the matter is if Secretary Pompeo is the one making a claim then the burden of proof is on him. The State Dept hasn't released anything.
As previously discussed, the State Dept. doesn't make it a routine practice to embarrass Pakistan's leaders and ministers. People forgot last year's "dispute" about Trump's Pakistan statements so why shouldn't they forget this year's as well?

As it was only Pakistani citizens who were taken for a ride last year, there's no reason to see this year as any different, is there?

The ONLY story here is that America First foreign policy is meeting Pakistan First foreign policy which is bound to ruffle a few feathers in Washington.
I suppose that's the line the powers-that-be in Pakistan want to promote.

State Dept should have been more careful. Could have avoided this storm in a chai thermos.
I doubt it. Hostility takes only one party: Pakistani officials like this FM invent the America they need. No Pakistani would dream of calling them out for it lest they be accused of lacking patriotism, right?
 
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If trump is right, which I am sure he is not because he lives in his own reality bubble when he is not being spanked by whores, then the Americans must be top grade retards for continuing to pay billions spread over 15 years in exchange for lies and deceit. He must be jealous because his own payment of 130k and 150k to hide his sexual crimes through lies and deceit have back fired.

 
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As previously discussed, the State Dept. doesn't make it a routine practice to embarrass Pakistan's leaders and ministers. People forgot last year's "dispute" about Trump's Pakistan statements so why shouldn't they forget this year's as well?


Likewise, Foreign Office's aim was not to embarrass Sec Pompeo. Dr Mohammad Faisal simply corrected a factually incorrect statement and he stated that clearly.



As it was only Pakistani citizens who were taken for a ride last year, there's no reason to see this year as any different, is there?


A different government with different priorities.



I doubt it. Hostility takes only one party: Pakistani officials like this FM invent the America they need.


Alternative facts are part of President Trump's America and that attitude is visible in his administration.


No Pakistani would dream of calling them out for it lest they be accused of lacking patriotism, right?


A little late for that.

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