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Pak willing to give up claim on Kashmir: Musharraf
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I second that.
But this could be our final chance since both China and USA are putting pressure on both parties to resolve the dipute.
Integral part?
Its a disputed territory claimed to be integral part by both sides.
People and Pakistan and Kashmir don't recognise the illegal signing of Instrument of Accession by Hari Singh.
We consider it 'glass being half empty'.
No we've been doing allpossible to prevent annexation of whole Kashmir a la Hyderabad or Goa.
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It is a cruel joke indeed. Atleast the discussion that is going on here, till this point. Every one is trying to gain some cheap points over the other. Why none of the participants is concerned seriousely of the hundreds of thousands who have died, civillian or millitary. Hundreds of Crores spent on arms. About the four wars that we fought, with no results!
If Kashmir is to go for a joint control mechanism then let it be. Bring peace at what ever the cost. My logic is simple,'PEACE IS PRICELESS'. Live in peace and spent this money and resources for the betterment of the people of the two countries. That's it.
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If Kashmir is to go for a joint control mechanism then let it be. Bring peace at what ever the cost. My logic is simple,'PEACE IS PRICELESS'. Live in peace and spent this money and resources for the betterment of the people of the two countries. That's it.
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Hmm.. you seem to be taking the moral high ground.
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Not really. But considering the dog eat dog world that we live in, taking the moral high ground may not always be the wisest decision. Proof: Nehru.Is that wrong?
Musharrafââ¬â¢s four-stage Kashmir peace plan: We can make borders irrelevant: India
By Jawed Naqvi
NEW DELHI, Dec 5: President Pervez Musharraf has reiterated his willingness to withdraw the Kashmir dispute from the UN Security Council if talks with India over the dispute show tangible progress.
In an interview to NDTV, he offered a four-stage interim solution, but warned: "My view is that it is easier said than done. I mean it's not as simple as put in across four stages or four aspects of it. This could be left for trial for five years, 10 years, 15 years and then we can get together again to see its efficacy, if it is functional, well. If there are some modifications required, again."
On Tuesday India responded cautiously to the far-reaching ideas on
Kashmir but appeared to agree with a crucial proposal for the softening of the Line of Control.
"We cannot redraw the map but we can make borders irrelevant," junior foreign minister Anand Sharma said, quoting remarks made some months ago by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. "I think that remains India's position," Mr Sharma said.
"India does not want this region to remain in conflict. We want people of Pakistan and India and this region to enjoy fruits of economic development which can only come when conflict and distrust are removed," Mr Sharma was quoted by the Press Trust of India as saying.
The issue also figured in the talks between a delegation of MQM parliamentarians and Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee on Monday. Dr Farooq Sattar, leader of the MQM's parliamentary party in the National Assembly, urged New Delhi to make a considered appreciation of Gen Musharraf's proposals.
Mr Mukherjee did not respond directly to it but said India and Pakistan ought to learn from Europe which had fought wars for 300 years but was now a powerful and peaceful economic bloc.
There were no surprises seen in Gen Musharraf's interview to NDTV excerpts of which were shown on Tuesday. The ideas tallied closely with what the president had told Indian writer A.G. Noorani in August. Those comments were published in the Frontline magazine and are currently believed to be part of back channel discussions.
NDTV, however, claimed that it was the first time that Pakistan showed that it was prepared to give up its claim on Kashmir if India accepts a four-point proposal for resolving the dispute. "This is being seen as a possible major breakthrough on the Kashmir problem," NDTV said.
Explaining what he had meant in August, Gen Musharraf said: "We are at the moment, both India and Pakistan, on the same position as we were since 1948. But we both, I am saying, we both ought to be prepared to give up all that we have been saying. And this includes all this. If we reach an agreement where we are giving self-governance, yes indeed, that is it."
Asked if that meant he was then prepared to give up his claim to Kashmir, Gen Musharraf said: "We will have to, yes, if this solution comes up."
According to NDTV, Gen Musharraf's four stages involve the following: i) Kashmir will have the same borders but people will be allowed to move freely back and forth in the region; ii) the region will have self-governance or autonomy, but not independence; iii) troops will be withdrawn from the region in a staggered manner; and iv) a joint supervision mechanism will be set up, with India, Pakistan and Kashmir represented on it.
Reacting to Gen Musharraf's comment, former BJP president Venkaiah Naidu said Pakistan had to stop terrorist attacks on India before any progress could be made on other issues.
Senior defence analyst Uday Bhasker said Gen Musharraf's statement on dropping Pakistan's insistence on independence for Kashmir was a signal to voices of `azaadiââ¬â¢ that Pakistan no longer supports that view.
http://www.dawn.com/2006/12/06/top1.htm
By Jawed Naqvi
NEW DELHI, Dec 5: President Pervez Musharraf has reiterated his willingness to withdraw the Kashmir dispute from the UN Security Council if talks with India over the dispute show tangible progress.
In an interview to NDTV, he offered a four-stage interim solution, but warned: "My view is that it is easier said than done. I mean it's not as simple as put in across four stages or four aspects of it. This could be left for trial for five years, 10 years, 15 years and then we can get together again to see its efficacy, if it is functional, well. If there are some modifications required, again."
On Tuesday India responded cautiously to the far-reaching ideas on
Kashmir but appeared to agree with a crucial proposal for the softening of the Line of Control.
"We cannot redraw the map but we can make borders irrelevant," junior foreign minister Anand Sharma said, quoting remarks made some months ago by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. "I think that remains India's position," Mr Sharma said.
"India does not want this region to remain in conflict. We want people of Pakistan and India and this region to enjoy fruits of economic development which can only come when conflict and distrust are removed," Mr Sharma was quoted by the Press Trust of India as saying.
The issue also figured in the talks between a delegation of MQM parliamentarians and Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee on Monday. Dr Farooq Sattar, leader of the MQM's parliamentary party in the National Assembly, urged New Delhi to make a considered appreciation of Gen Musharraf's proposals.
Mr Mukherjee did not respond directly to it but said India and Pakistan ought to learn from Europe which had fought wars for 300 years but was now a powerful and peaceful economic bloc.
There were no surprises seen in Gen Musharraf's interview to NDTV excerpts of which were shown on Tuesday. The ideas tallied closely with what the president had told Indian writer A.G. Noorani in August. Those comments were published in the Frontline magazine and are currently believed to be part of back channel discussions.
NDTV, however, claimed that it was the first time that Pakistan showed that it was prepared to give up its claim on Kashmir if India accepts a four-point proposal for resolving the dispute. "This is being seen as a possible major breakthrough on the Kashmir problem," NDTV said.
Explaining what he had meant in August, Gen Musharraf said: "We are at the moment, both India and Pakistan, on the same position as we were since 1948. But we both, I am saying, we both ought to be prepared to give up all that we have been saying. And this includes all this. If we reach an agreement where we are giving self-governance, yes indeed, that is it."
Asked if that meant he was then prepared to give up his claim to Kashmir, Gen Musharraf said: "We will have to, yes, if this solution comes up."
According to NDTV, Gen Musharraf's four stages involve the following: i) Kashmir will have the same borders but people will be allowed to move freely back and forth in the region; ii) the region will have self-governance or autonomy, but not independence; iii) troops will be withdrawn from the region in a staggered manner; and iv) a joint supervision mechanism will be set up, with India, Pakistan and Kashmir represented on it.
Reacting to Gen Musharraf's comment, former BJP president Venkaiah Naidu said Pakistan had to stop terrorist attacks on India before any progress could be made on other issues.
Senior defence analyst Uday Bhasker said Gen Musharraf's statement on dropping Pakistan's insistence on independence for Kashmir was a signal to voices of `azaadiââ¬â¢ that Pakistan no longer supports that view.
http://www.dawn.com/2006/12/06/top1.htm
Musharraf Wants Pakistan, India to End Kashmir Claims (Update2)
By Paul Tighe
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf said his country is prepared to give up its claim to Kashmir if India reciprocates and approves self-governance for the Himalayan territory.
``Compromise inherently means stepping back by both sides,'' Musharraf said in an interview yesterday with India's NDTV network, according to a transcript. ``Both sides have to give up their positions and step back. If one of us is not prepared to step back, we will not reach a solution.''
Pakistan supports a four-point solution that would give the region self-governance or autonomy, maintain Kashmir's borders, produce a withdrawal of troops and create a mechanism for running the territory between India, Pakistan and Kashmir, Musharraf said in the interview.
Kashmir, divided between India and Pakistan since 1947 and claimed in full by both, has been the cause of two of the three wars fought between the nuclear-armed neighbors in South Asia. The countries have improved ties since 2003, including restoring diplomatic, transport and sporting links.
Musharraf's proposals, while not new, may allow negotiations to go further.
``He has been saying all this for some time,'' G. Parthasarathy, former Indian high commissioner to Pakistan, said today. ``But it should constitute a basis for further talks.''
Separatist Groups
India accuses Pakistan of supporting separatist groups fighting Indian rule in Jammu and Kashmir, the country's only Muslim-majority state. Pakistan denies the accusation, saying it only gives moral support to a freedom struggle.
``We are at the moment, both India and Pakistan, on the same position as we were since 1948,'' Musharraf said, according to the transcript on the NDTV.com Web site. ``We both ought to be prepared to give up all that we have been saying.'' Pakistan will change its stance in the event ``India leaves its stated position also.''
Self-governance won't be a first step toward independence for Kashmir, Musharraf said. ``We are against independence,'' he said. ``And so is India.''
Musharraf is reiterating a known stand that he's willing to compromise on Pakistan's stated position on Kashmir if India is willing to do so, said Khalid Mahmud, research analyst at the Institute of Regional Studies in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad.
``Musharraf has hardly ever raised the plebiscite issue in Kashmir in the past few years,'' Mahumud said. ``The statement appears to be an attempt to seek progress on the Kashmir dispute in talks with India, especially with the Indian prime minister's visit to Pakistan due next month.''
Independence, Partition
The proposal for a plebiscite to determine the view of the people of Kashmir dates back to 1947, when the subcontinent gained independence from Britain and was partitioned into India, Pakistan and what later became Bangladesh.
The Indian government wants a peaceful solution to the Kashmir dispute, NDTV cited Anand Sharma, minister of state for foreign affairs, as saying yesterday in New Delhi in reaction to Musharraf's comments. India's position is that Kashmir's borders cannot be redrawn, Sharma said.
The Pakistani president's suggestion is a positive development, said Dipankar Banerjee, director of the Institute of Peace and Conflict studies, a New Delhi-based think-tank.
``President Musharraf has shown a determination to move the peace process substantially forward,'' Banerjee said today in a telephone interview. ``It should open up space for further dialogue between India and Pakistan.''
India and Pakistan completed their latest round of talks last month with an agreement to create an anti-terrorism panel. Talks were postponed by India in July after bomb attacks in Mumbai killed 184 people. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's government linked progress in any discussions with Pakistan ceasing support for terrorism.
Pakistan resented the ``finger pointing'' by India ``within 15 minutes'' of the blasts, Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan said in November. Terrorism was a global phenomenon and neither country could afford to destabilize the other, he said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=aABSnuv2O08Q
By Paul Tighe
Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf said his country is prepared to give up its claim to Kashmir if India reciprocates and approves self-governance for the Himalayan territory.
``Compromise inherently means stepping back by both sides,'' Musharraf said in an interview yesterday with India's NDTV network, according to a transcript. ``Both sides have to give up their positions and step back. If one of us is not prepared to step back, we will not reach a solution.''
Pakistan supports a four-point solution that would give the region self-governance or autonomy, maintain Kashmir's borders, produce a withdrawal of troops and create a mechanism for running the territory between India, Pakistan and Kashmir, Musharraf said in the interview.
Kashmir, divided between India and Pakistan since 1947 and claimed in full by both, has been the cause of two of the three wars fought between the nuclear-armed neighbors in South Asia. The countries have improved ties since 2003, including restoring diplomatic, transport and sporting links.
Musharraf's proposals, while not new, may allow negotiations to go further.
``He has been saying all this for some time,'' G. Parthasarathy, former Indian high commissioner to Pakistan, said today. ``But it should constitute a basis for further talks.''
Separatist Groups
India accuses Pakistan of supporting separatist groups fighting Indian rule in Jammu and Kashmir, the country's only Muslim-majority state. Pakistan denies the accusation, saying it only gives moral support to a freedom struggle.
``We are at the moment, both India and Pakistan, on the same position as we were since 1948,'' Musharraf said, according to the transcript on the NDTV.com Web site. ``We both ought to be prepared to give up all that we have been saying.'' Pakistan will change its stance in the event ``India leaves its stated position also.''
Self-governance won't be a first step toward independence for Kashmir, Musharraf said. ``We are against independence,'' he said. ``And so is India.''
Musharraf is reiterating a known stand that he's willing to compromise on Pakistan's stated position on Kashmir if India is willing to do so, said Khalid Mahmud, research analyst at the Institute of Regional Studies in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad.
``Musharraf has hardly ever raised the plebiscite issue in Kashmir in the past few years,'' Mahumud said. ``The statement appears to be an attempt to seek progress on the Kashmir dispute in talks with India, especially with the Indian prime minister's visit to Pakistan due next month.''
Independence, Partition
The proposal for a plebiscite to determine the view of the people of Kashmir dates back to 1947, when the subcontinent gained independence from Britain and was partitioned into India, Pakistan and what later became Bangladesh.
The Indian government wants a peaceful solution to the Kashmir dispute, NDTV cited Anand Sharma, minister of state for foreign affairs, as saying yesterday in New Delhi in reaction to Musharraf's comments. India's position is that Kashmir's borders cannot be redrawn, Sharma said.
The Pakistani president's suggestion is a positive development, said Dipankar Banerjee, director of the Institute of Peace and Conflict studies, a New Delhi-based think-tank.
``President Musharraf has shown a determination to move the peace process substantially forward,'' Banerjee said today in a telephone interview. ``It should open up space for further dialogue between India and Pakistan.''
India and Pakistan completed their latest round of talks last month with an agreement to create an anti-terrorism panel. Talks were postponed by India in July after bomb attacks in Mumbai killed 184 people. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's government linked progress in any discussions with Pakistan ceasing support for terrorism.
Pakistan resented the ``finger pointing'' by India ``within 15 minutes'' of the blasts, Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan said in November. Terrorism was a global phenomenon and neither country could afford to destabilize the other, he said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=aABSnuv2O08Q
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