Pak visit for specific, narrow purpose: US Dy Secy of State

[Ali_Baba]

True and the best response is to have someone lower ranking meet her and iterate the same thing.
They’re firefighting in every sphere as about now .

Thankfully it seems like that was done "partially" - access should only be provided at a peer to peer level only - and if the Americans bad-mouth Pakistan before coming - then they should be shown reduced protocol and access.

Ideally she should have met a sub-ordinate of SMQ for the meeting and treated this meeting as a non-event ...

Right now there is no popint in agreeing to any of USA's "demands" - if they will not agree to any of Pakistans.

All it seems the USA are interested in - is an air corridor to bomb Afghanistan. After that - and judging by the state of relations - it seems they wont even bother with Pakistan at any level any more after they get that prize.

If such a request is "granted", it has to be on a case by case basis with full explanation of the strike rationale and subject to approval and any agreement should be "temporary" and subject to "good American behaviour" requiring certification on an annual basis.

 

[One_Nation]

Few things:

1- She was addressing Indian audience. So she said what was politically suitable for the situation.
2- US isn’t irrelevant like some people want to believe to make themselves happy. There’s no Russia, China Pakistan and whatever country block alliance or anything. Just some convergence of interest.
3- Her statements aren’t encouraging, Pakistan should cancel the meeting with her and ask for explanation.

100%.
If Pakistan was not their colony then her visit should have been cancelled right that moment but unfortunately that is not the case.

 

[FuturePAF]

I think SMQ meeting her is appropriate as she was received by a grade 20 officer. She has come visiting and snubbing her will not be nice. However the optics of this meeting are frosty and she has been dealt with politely but we have stuck to our narrative. The US remains an important player in world politics so we should remain engaged with them especially from the perspective of provision of development money for Afghanistan. That at the moment remains our primary goal. An unstable Afghanistan will cause more problems for Pakistan than for US. However the thems of our narrative should be stuck to.
I do not think the US needs us as much as we think it does. However it remains our trrading partner and we should not forget that. We should continue to push for more trade while develping alternate routes and opportunities in the Central Asian countries.
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This is also the time Pakistan should make internal economic reforms. When Mao met Nixon and Deng opened China up for trade with the US, the onus of a mutually beneficial relationship was on the Chinese side’s ability to shift its internal economic dynamics to the new opportunities.

Pakistan wants an Economic relationship, so it should reform it internal dynamics to meet the opportunities. Central Asian trade should feed into not be an alternative to trade with the US, where possible.

 

[Pandora]

That is why she got a narrow recprion as well. Had it been zardari or nawaz they would be standing first in line to get PAT on the back. Say whatever you about khan he has maintained dignity of his post infront of westerners. Our previously leaders bent their arse backwards to appease Americans.

 

[PradoTLC]

Then why is Qureshi meeting her ( Deputy of Sec of State) and probably went to the airport to greet her. In India she did not meet our Foreign Minister Jaishanker as she is not the US sec of State. Why do Pakistani's fawn and bend their knee for her with full protocol ?

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i know bad habit … we did the same for a low life called modi…

 

[Menace2Society]

That is why she got a narrow recprion as well. Had it been zardari or nawaz they would be standing first in line to get PAT on the back. Say whatever you about khan he has maintained dignity of his post infront of westerners. Our previously leaders bent their arse backwards to appease Americans.

The worst leaders at the worst possible time unfortunately. This will take decades to recalibrate.

 

[sparten]

Fully agree. International relations are not about tit for tat. She should be received at the airport by her counterpart. She can call on SMQ. That alone will get the message across. A civil but appropriate reception for her.

Thats......whats happened.

 

[Pandora]

The worst leaders at the worst possible time unfortunately. This will take decades to recalibrate.

We are already feeling a fall out. US and Europe were spoiled rotten by our establishment and political leaders. I still remember time when leaders were being appointed after consultation with US. One the same time they slowly were making us dependent on their Aid. Many saw that as golden period but as a matter of fact our sovereignty was sold both by our military and politicians for few dollars.

 

[Windjammer]

Meanwhile change of tone after arriving in Pakistan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1446387306131251235

 

[Turingsage]

Many saw that as golden period but as a matter of fact our sovereignty was sold both by our military and politicians for few dollars.

You are repeating the "mistake" with China today. As you did once with US , then the Gulf Monarchs who gave you more Islam because you did not have enough, recently with Turkey which seems to have cooled off a bit after the Turkish economy hitting a brick wall.

 

[Sinnerman108]

I have always wondered why Pakistani officials don’t allow media access to visiting US officials, for example joint press conferences. Perhaps, it’s an attempt to avoid such blatant embarrassments.

Pakistan is content with putting out its traditional bland statements that “country x appreciates Pakistan’s sacrifices and constructive role in Afghanistan” when the facts are clear no one appreciates anything about Pakistan.

Pakistan doesn't have media
We have entertainment industry owned by every political party

You are repeating the "mistake" with China today. As you did once with US , then the Gulf Monarchs who gave you more Islam because you did not have enough, recently with Turkey which seems to have cooled off a bit after the Turkish economy hitting a brick wall.

Same can be said about India, which is making the same mistake against China, that Pakistan did against USSR.

 

[m52k85]

Meanwhile change of tone after arriving in Pakistan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1446387306131251235

Not really a change in tone. In India she said " we don’t see ourselves building a broad relationship with Pakistan. " Such a relationship involves cooperation on technology, economy, strategy (read China).

In Pakistan she said:

a. "discuss Afghanistan’s future": not really broad based, is it?

b. "the important and long-standing U.S.-Pakistan relationship." Sure they have been important, like in stopping the spread of communism, terrorism etc. And yes, we have been in long-standing client relationship, not exactly broad based.

c. "We look forward to continuing to address pressing regional and global challenges": read as addressing Afghanistan, terrorism (mostly that you guys dont support anything we think is terrorism), and if things are going well maybe insentivise Pakistan just enough so that it isnt exclusively in the Chinese orbit. Again not broad-based.

And Shahji couldnt have asked for anything better, uff:

Pakistan wants broad, long-term and stable relations with US, Qureshi tells visiting American official

US deputy secretary of state calls on COAS, discusses matters of mutual interest and regional security situation.

www.dawn.com

 

[M. Sarmad]

Perhaps you think we should lie down and just give it to them as Pakistan did with its border with China.

Pakistan gained control of 2000 sq km of territory previously under Chinese control as a result of the 1963 Sino-Pak boundary agreement and yet the delusional lot of pathological liars aka Indians claim that Pakistan gave away territory to China !!!

 

[Menace2Society]

Meanwhile change of tone after arriving in Pakistan.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1446387306131251235

How long will it take to for these meetings to be about bilateral relations and trade?

I am sick of Afghanistan being mentioned, this basket case of a country has really screwed you over.

 

[Sal12]

China has demonstrated its intentions clearly by trying to salami slice Indian territory or if you like the disputed border areas.
Perhaps you think we should lie down and just give it to them as Pakistan did with its border with China.

China has territorial and maritime disputes with 18 countries in Asia. Look it up.

It is flexing its muscles and baring its teeth at 18 different countries in Asia hoping they will just back down and will not resist the Chinese military juggernaut

Pakistan and maybe NK are the only countries that keep silently support these wild claims, even when those claims are against fellow Muslim countries.

Pak did not give an inch of its territory to China what it was holding. Shaksgam valley was not in custody of Pak in 1962. This was actually Pak who got 700 sq km of land from China in 1962.

China has territorial disputes with only Bhutan and India. The others are maritime disputes.

You keep losing territory to China by salami slicing. Last year China grabbed 1000 sq km from Ladakh and you couldn't do anything. Even Depsang plains is still in Chinese custody today.

In 1999, Pak grabbed 750 sq km of Kargil Daras sector when India under Vajpai did respond well but India did chicken out in 2020 when China grabbed 1000 sq km under Modi. 1999 Kargil was small intrusion than 2020's Ladakh.