Pak raises ‘hostile’ India remarks, wants OIC to probe LoC violations

[janon]

Pakistan army said at that time to press we shoot down 2 Indian Aircraft who crossed in india
one aircraft Pilot is in Pakistan Jail now
Remember that Statement
And India Govt Also confirm that after there Jets shoot down in pakistan

I can't "remember" things that never happened.

If they said it to the press, surely you can find a news report to back up your claim?

Or come up with any credible source?

Get this into your head - no such thing has happened. Indian jets have not been shot down by PAF since 1971.

 

[KRAIT]

Cry where ever you want. Not an inch of Kashmir will be given. Period.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

How about a newspaper link, or press release, instead of a facebook link?

Oh forget it. We all know that no such thing has happened.

No Indian jets have been shot down by Pakistan before, during or after the kargil war. Not since 1971.

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you get some sleep

You're acting as if its impossible to shoot down an intruding aircraft from India when it's been done already many times in the past (including the Israeli made searcher-II you guys had "for trial purposes")

 

[True pakistani 22]

Cry where ever you want. Not an inch of Kashmir will be given. Period.

Pakistan is not crying
India is crying in every field
Our Media dont do Talk show on Your india every day
but That is Your media which do talk show on Pakistan after every day

and Your job is 24/7
Pakistan,Pakistan.Pakistan,Pakistan,ISI,ISI.ISI.Hafiz saeed,Hafiz saeed, and Pakistan

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you get some sleep

You're acting as if its impossible to shoot down an intruding aircraft from India when it's been done already many times in the past (including the Israeli made searcher-II you guys had "for trial purposes")

iam sure even Indian Su-30mki Cross LOC today we will shoot MKI within Mint,s

I can't "remember" things that never happened.

If they said it to the press, surely you can find a news report to back up your claim?

Or come up with any credible source?

Get this into your head - no such thing has happened. Indian jets have not been shot down by PAF since 1971.

Those jets were Shoot down by Pakistan soldiers Anza Missile were used Before PAF Play any role

 

[janon]

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you get some sleep

You're acting as if its impossible to shoot down an intruding aircraft from India when it's been done already many times in the past (including the Israeli made searcher-II you guys had "for trial purposes")

Of course it's "possible". It is also "possible" that Pakistan nuked Delhi, and nobody knew about it, and you can't find a source for it.

If Indian jets were shot down, and Pak told that to the press, and India confirmed it (that's how far the storyline has gone so far), then you could come up with at least one credible news report or link for it.

I know a UAV has been shot down (and hey, we shot down your atlantique) but those are not the tall claims I am asking him to back up. I knew somebody would bring in that UAV as a straw man to divert attention from the claim in question.

If you can backup his claim that two Indian jets were bombing Pakistan inside Pakistan before the Kargil war, and that they were shot down by the PAF, and that one of the pilots in jail, then do so with a link, instead of a pointless "Don't you think it's possible" reposte.

If you can't back all that up, then I suggest you get some sleep, instead of taking on the burden of defending somebody else's wild claims, and putting up straw men.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The first gen Anzas if I'm not mistaken

As for MKI those can be shot down if they intruded. Though hopefully wiser councils in India would prevail and they wouldn't even attempt it. Some time back an Indian army chopper (whose navigator left much to be desired) "accidentally" intruded and landed on our side and out of goodwil we released the men and cleared them to take off after fueling Em up

Had it been the other way around, our men would still be locked up and mistreated. That's the difference between the 2.

 

[janon]

iam sure even Indian Su-30mki Cross LOC today we will shoot MKI within Mint,s

Those jets were Shoot down by Pakistan soldiers Anza Missile were used Before PAF Play any role

Earlier you said PAF shot them down, and you ssaid BEFORE Kargil. Now you have changed horses.

I also knew you would bring the Anza missile thing as another strawman, like 'Abu Zolfiqar' tried to bring in the UAV strawman. I already told you when that happened - during the kargil war, and it wasn't a jet, it was a helicopter without countermeasures.

Now stop making up fiction. PAF has not shot down IAF jets since 1971. End of story.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Of course it's "possible". It is also "possible" that Pakistan nuked Delhi, and nobody knew about it, and you can't find a source for it.

If Indian jets were shot down, and Pak told that to the press, and India confirmed it (that's how far the storyline has gone so far), then you could come up with at least one credible news report or link for it.

I know a UAV has been shot down (and hey, we shot down your atlantique) but those are not the tall claims I am asking him to back up. I knew somebody would bring in that UAV as a straw man to divert attention from the claim in question.

If you can backup his claim that two Indian jets were bombing Pakistan inside Pakistan before the Kargil war, and that they were shot down by the PAF, and that one of the pilots in jail, then do so with a link, instead of a pointless "Don't you think it's possible" reposte.

If you can't back all that up, then I suggest you get some sleep, instead of taking on the burden of defending somebody else's wild claims, and putting up straw men.

I don't need to prove diddly squat to you. I'm just telling you what I know as fact. If pride prevents you from accepting it, then fine don't accept it! Mujhe kya

As for pilot thing, I have no comment or infos on that sorry

 

[janon]

The first gen Anzas if I'm not mistaken

As for MKI those can be shot down if they intruded. Though hopefully wiser councils in India would prevail and they wouldn't even attempt it. Some time back an Indian army chopper (whose navigator left much to be desired) "accidentally" intruded and landed on our side and out of goodwil we released the men and cleared them to take off after fueling Em up

Had it been the other way around, our men would still be locked up and mistreated. That's the difference between the 2.

LOL. So the narrative has gone from "We shot down two IAF jets" to "We WILL shoot down IAF jets if they cross."

By the way, our jets did cross, and your F-16s fled when they were locked on by migs, which were escorting jags for bombing runs.

And about mistreatment - read about what happened to pilot Ajay Ahuja. While you are in the mode of "Had it been IAF", Pakistan has already done that.

Anyway, glad to know that the claim has gone from assertion to speculation.

You: "We shot down your jets."
Me: "No you didn't, please backup your claim."
You: "Umm...If the MKIs come here, we WILL shoot them down."

I don't need to prove diddly squat to you. I'm just telling you what I know as fact. If pride prevents you from accepting it, then fine don't accept it! Mujhe kya

As for pilot thing, I have no comment or infos on that sorry

Case closed. Now we know who lives in denial, and who lets pride come in the way of accepting reality.

 

[KS]

I hope OIC, the standard bearer of peace, justice and non-violence, print their recommendations on double ply paper.

epic.

It should be renamed to OICLOL

LOL

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

LOL. So the narrative has gone from "We shot down two IAF jets" to "We WILL shoot down IAF jets if they cross."

By the way, our jets did cross, and your F-16s fled when they were locked on by migs, which were escorting jags for bombing runs.

no PAF pilot has ever retreated from the enemy when the enemy was in our skies....history is a testament to that

it was your Migs that scurried away in fact when locked upon not by F-16s but by aging F-7 interceptors (post mumbai drama when india was doing its usual and characteristic chest-thumping)

and if you had a confusion about what i was trying to say - i can say in simple terms


any time an enemy aircraft or even infantry on the ground intrudes across LoC, they will be responded to....not so complicated

And about mistreatment - read about what happened to pilot Ajay Ahuja. While you are in the mode of "Had it been IAF", Pakistan has already done that.

according to radio intercepts, he was shot down or claimed to have been hit by some projectile....this occured over our air space....as for the allegations of torture, i dont know if it was security personnel or angry locals. I lack the facts about that particular incident.

 

[janon]

no PAF pilot has ever retreated from the enemy when the enemy was in our skies....history is a testament to that

it was your Migs that scurried away in fact when locked upon not by F-16s but by aging F-7 interceptors (post mumbai drama when india was doing its usual and characteristic chest-thumping)

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/229863-migs-over-kargil-how-fulcrum-buzzed-falcons.html

Here is a quote from your war hero and veteran pilot Cecil Chowdhry (whom you may now brand as a RAW agent or puppet or whatever to continue living in your blissful denial):

On this occasion, I gather the Indian MiG-27s did cross the LOC briefly and the local NLI commander who was having the crap bombed out of him called in desparately for support- the PAF, which had been frustrated at having to sit it out till now, saw an opportunity to bloody the IAF nose as they were reported to have crossed the LOC. Two Falcons on alert were vectored into the MiGs, but received the jolt of their lives when an IAF MiG-29 locked onto BOTH of them. They tried to break lock- but the MiG persisted, and while I do agree they could have pressed home- there were some controlling factors:
1) strict orders not to cross the LOC
2) Hell, they thought they were about to get a salvo of R-27s up their noses...as an aside, one of the Falcon pilots was a greenhorn and was pretty shaken by this experience- got razzed to death for weeks afterwards.

 

[janon]

and if you had a confusion about what i was trying to say - i can say in simple terms
any time an enemy aircraft or even infantry on the ground intrudes across LoC, they will be responded to....not so complicated

That's not what you started off with. Another member made up a fictional story of PAF HAVING SHOT DOWN TWO IAF jets. When I asked him to substantiate, you jumped in, and told me that I am denying it so I don't lose sleep. (Post number 33.) Now that you can't backup the story, you changed it to PAF WILL shoot down - and even that isn't true, as you can learn from the link to the thread I posted.

 

[airuah]

lol...first they wanted the UN and when no one in UN cared they want the OIC......

does Pakistan thinks that all OIC countries support it no matter what?...time to take a realty check

 

[A1Kaid]

OIC is useless unless it can take international steps like passing sanctions, resolutions, economic aid, security cooperation. Pakistan should push the OIC to pass sanctions on India, if OIC can't pass sanctions might as well leave that futile organization.

OIC should also officially recognize Kashmir as an integral part of Pakistan, which it unofficially already does by banning India from the organization at Pakistan's request.