modern_newton
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Guys no need to insult each others..just try to convince your Army General speaking in video above before convincing us that you actually won the war..good bye
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when the princly states where given a choice to them either to join one of us or remain seperate, Maharaj of Kashmir opted to stay seperate, but you guys invaded it, and when the Maharaj decided that Pakistan can not be a trusted neighbour he decided to join us.You really think you did not sow the seeds of hate when you invaded Kashmir in '48 on some lies of succession to India by the raja, proof of which was never produced?
ya ya, your army general Mr Musharaf is so convinced in his forigne Manson for planning Kargil and loosing a good number of good men who just followed his lunacy in the name of CHAIN OF COMMAND.Guys no need to insult each others..just try to convince your Army General speaking in video above before convincing us that you actually won the war..good bye
Actually It is Strategic Victory as well , where we still got few Position where we can effectively Target supply lines to Siachin Glacier in case of any conflict. But currently We aren't in any hurry to capture Siachin as it naturally proved a deadliest place for man kind. Our supplies from Skardu is bit harder to targeted as IAF even failed to achieved its military objective of bombing batalik sector effetively. and Naturally that Location is pretty much supportive for our air defence forces. Where as far Indian Base in Tajikistan are concerned then PAF is prepared enough to handle them. Yea! It can be termed as indian diplomatic Victory but for avoiding any Nuclear conflict withdrawl was the simplest strategy which Nawaz understood at then.Similarly, while we infiltrated into Kargil and inflicted heavy losses on India, we failed in our objective of severing the supply lines to Siachin Glacier and thus we ended up where we started from. It was also a diplomatic loss for Pakistan as well.
You know very well that words like R@pe that I used were to describe the situation and not to glorify the word, even subtle hints from your side of otherwise is actual admittance of failure to produce anything significant or worthwhile. Drawing attention away from the main topic in discussion is also a typical trait.
i'm cross posting ur post in this thread with ur permisson.
Their is nothing egoistic in it, When our miltarial approch had done enough damage to enemies that they are seeking for a dead statements of Nawaz to compare their damages with ours. thats called attempts of satisfactory of personnal egos which you guys are continously doing here. Indian claims over PAF during 65 had also proved a lie at then. Now Pakistan have equally Tactical capabilties to counter any Indian aggression and thats kept your forces under your own boundry lines during 2008.ya ya PAKISTANI ARMY is all mighty and OUR ARMY is not worth your jucie.
what the crap are you talking man. You guys lost the war that is the cold truth. we are not over whelmed by each of the victories we had in the past. we just want to avoid another battle and another masacare of both IA and PA soldiers just to satisfy the egos of the PA generals who have so far designed the confrontations we have had in the past. and that is the reason we have not initiated any of the battle we have had in the past.
I hope you understand what i mean.
@Joe shearer and @Capt.Popeye
I've one more theory do think about it.I'll rather call it my CT and let me know what you both think.
There is no denying that china did help pakistan in providing both conventional weaponry and strategic ones.But after 9/11 whatever fears west(USA+Europe) has about Pakistani loose nukes in the hands of terror groups, same fears does china has with china on many occassions complaining about Xinjiang terror groups getting trained in pakistan.And China unlike USA or Europe unfortunately shares land borders with pakistan in its resistive province of xinjiang as india does in kashmir.N
Now the same loose nuke which west fear is it possible is making china fear that loose nuke too?If so pakistani missiles which can fly to india or to destroy israel usa targets in gulf can also fly to to china mainland. or the nukes can be smmuhggeled in by some tanzeems.
Isnt it possible like usa china too is keeping watch on pakistani nukes with china having its keys to make sure that it dont become a target.What i want to say is Pakistan is like turkey having usa nukes on its soil with keys always being with usa since 1960s.Same is with pakistan having the nukes but its keys with china or usa.
In other words pakistan is virtually without any nukes.So what fear india has from pakistani nuke---i say none.only thing is how india strike balance with china and usa so that they both wont get tempted to provide keys to the PA.ie india should declare nuclear sam son on any country that hurts indian interests.
OFcourse above all is my CT and deductions from CT.
Actually It is Strategic Victory as well , where we still got few Position where we can effectively Target supply lines to Siachin Glacier in case of any conflict. But currently We aren't in any hurry to capture Siachin as it naturally proved a deadliest place for man kind. Our supplies from Skardu is bit harder to targeted as IAF even failed to achieved its military objective of bombing batalik sector effetively. and Naturally that Location is pretty much supportive for our air defence forces. Where as far Indian Base in Tajikistan are concerned then PAF is prepared enough to handle them. Yea! It can be termed as indian diplomatic Victory but for avoiding any Nuclear conflict withdrawl was the simplest strategy which Nawaz understood at then.
@Joe shearer and @Capt.Popeye
I've one more theory do think about it.I'll rather call it my CT and let me know what you both think.
There is no denying that china did help pakistan in providing both conventional weaponry and strategic ones.But after 9/11 whatever fears west(USA+Europe) has about Pakistani loose nukes in the hands of terror groups, same fears does china has with china on many occassions complaining about Xinjiang terror groups getting trained in pakistan.And China unlike USA or Europe unfortunately shares land borders with pakistan in its resistive province of xinjiang as india does in kashmir.N
Now the same loose nuke which west fear is it possible is making china fear that loose nuke too?If so pakistani missiles which can fly to india or to destroy israel usa targets in gulf can also fly to to china mainland. or the nukes can be smmuhggeled in by some tanzeems.
Isnt it possible like usa china too is keeping watch on pakistani nukes with china having its keys to make sure that it dont become a target.What i want to say is Pakistan is like turkey having usa nukes on its soil with keys always being with usa since 1960s.Same is with pakistan having the nukes but its keys with china or usa.
In other words pakistan is virtually without any nukes.So what fear india has from pakistani nuke---i say none.only thing is how india strike balance with china and usa so that they both wont get tempted to provide keys to the PA.ie india should declare nuclear sam son on any country that hurts indian interests.
OFcourse above all is my CT and deductions from CT.
to remind your people how stupid your forefather's were and how none of you show any remorse for your stupidty.