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I agree with most points but this drama about India being the peaceful nation and Pakistan being the aggressors is bullshit. The root of all wars between Pakistani and India lie in aggression and hypocrite attitude of India. Kargil can not be understood without looking at the bigger picture of which it is a part. This Kargil region has traded hands a number of times, in the aftermath of the number of wars we've had with India.
Kashmir was and is an unjust occupation, one from a number of remnants of the partition. India's access to Kashmir was maintained by denying Pakistan Firozpur, which was a Muslim majority area, and belonged to Pakistan if the principles the partition was supposed to be carried out under were to be followed(Firozpur would also have given Pakistan one well-supplied garrison, which the British were against - it is a historic fact that British artillery guns were dumped off the Karachi sea port, rather than given to Pak).
Taking advantage of our weak military and financial position, our adversary maintained a hypocritical stance, occupying Kashmir because the Hindu ruler of a Muslim majority area voted for India, while occupying Hyderabad where a Muslim ruler of a Hindu-majority ruler voted for Pakistan.
Many other areas, such as Junagadh and Manavadar also voted for Pakistan, but were anexed in utter disregard of the principles of the partition by India, because we were weak. The complete and utter lack of any concrete British response or action to all this can only be taken as evidence of their impartiality in hindsight. Their last viceroy was commanding British forces in Kashmir, while the British officers in Pakistan refused to follow orders.
How can any self-respecting nation accept such treachery. Whenever we are in a weak position, this country tries to victimize it. From 1965, where they crossed the international border and attacked at what they thought was a defenseless Lahore after Pakistan's activities at a ceasefire line(the Israelis broke their ceasefire and redefined the areas under their control three times, under this same UN that berates us). In '71 they again crossed an international border and split off our province - and the mukthi bahini were trained on Indian soil. In the 80's when the Soviets were amassing armour across our western border the Indians followed suit on our east, trying to take advantage of our weak situation again. Even now, weaponry from Indian ordinance factories is frequently recovered in the tribal areas.
How am I supposed to feel when SU-30s with full armament cross my country's international border after a hostile country conducted a ridiculous sham attack in some hotel in Bombay where 7 men take over a 300-room building for almost a week(with the Indian police/military unable to make a move... comeon, THREE-HUNDRED rooms, those 7 men couldn't even logistically cover an area half that big) and the concrete evidence they come up with to blame Pak for that is that the terrorists carried *sacks* full of Pakistani products(sufi soap, rooh-Afza).
Every single time our adversary has gotten an opportunity to stab us in the back, they have done it. Exactly according to the chankiya philosophy that they follow.
..............How is any Pakistani supposed to feel when they look at this colorful history of deceit. India is perhaps the only country in the world that has disputes with each and every country surrounding it
Ah good, you'd feel right at home and comfortable then because you obviously don't have much IQ.
Alas, if only any part of you was human.
Well, it is apparent, India got F*CKED and multiple times, almost every time by a country much smaller then herself (except 1 time when the raping country was bigger ). Should it matter then after every sexual violation India runs to the world and cries how she was raped by Pakistan and Pakistan is rebuked?
And independence of Bangladesh was a matter of time right from the beginning, half a country here and half there.....what kind of partition was that anyway?
You shied away at the mention of neutral arbitration in 1965 and you have 7-8 times more typing hands and speaking tongues than Pakistan so most of the one sided views have been planted. Just think logically, if you can, why would India accept a stalemate if she wasn't getting her *** handed to her by Pakistan? Pakistan, on the other hand, was once again isolated diplomatically and forced to accept the stalemate despite being in a position to claim the rest of Kashmir once and for all. I remember how the Army resented the decision of pulling back when they were on the verge of severing Kashmir from India while at the same time were holding their own country. Funny enough, it was also India that accepted the stalemate conditions a day before Pakistan did!
Besides, what would you have fought on with? You had almost exhausted all ammo.
You call Pakistan's taking over Indian positions as chindichori but is that not exactly what you did in Siachin? And after that severe *** kicking, I guess your brains are still too hot to handle ground realities.......I know that the mind tries to erase the most embarrassing of moments or horrific incidents, it's the same case with Indians. The mauling that you took in Kargil is too much to digest.
Ah good, you'd feel right at home and comfortable then because you obviously don't have much IQ.
Alas, if only any part of you was human.
After 10 years i ve still have doubts about those taped telephone conversation of Gen.Musharraf speakingto his commanders in pakistan..
1. was is chinese Intelligence which recorded it and passed onto indians(As per najam sethi in one of his kargil talk show program)
2.Was it Israeli mossad?(some sources points to israeli intelligence help here)
3.Was it RAW (as per indian sources).if it was RAW i must say they have pretty good sigint.
4.was it usa.(as per strobe talbott)
There are still doubts about the origination of those tapes actually who did it and why?
After 10 years i ve still have doubts about those taped telephone conversation of Gen.Musharraf speakingto his commanders in pakistan..
1. was is chinese Intelligence which recorded it and passed onto indians(As per najam sethi in one of his kargil talk show program)
2.Was it Israeli mossad?(some sources points to israeli intelligence help here)
3.Was it RAW (as per indian sources).if it was RAW i must say they have pretty good sigint.
4.was it usa.(as per strobe talbott)
There are still doubts about the origination of those tapes actually who did it and why?
How can diplomatic victory be possible after millitary defeat?Its like saying allied powers won WW-2 militarily but germany won axis powers won diplomaticall with germany divided and japan nuked and occupied.We have always agreed that it was a diplomatic victory for India after a military defeat. You did win, but you had external help.
American i can understand as at that time india-usa ties were getting better with jaswant singh and strobe-talbott were seriously ironing out indo-usa friendship dialogue for 1st time in since 1947.As far as I know, only the American NSA has the capability to do this.
Thats the same theory najam sethi said on his talk show.but i'm still unable to presume why would china under deng will help india in 1999??If one goes by this theory then its the 2nd time chinese would have helped indians in war against pakistan.First was during 1971 when even after being pushed and encouraged by nixon administration and herny Kissinger chinese did not attack from north to reduce pressure on east pakistan.even chinese intervention from north gen.niazi was desperately waiting for.From what I understand it was the Chinese who got them. They did not wish to embarrass Pakistan directly so they handed them to the Americans who in turn gave it to the Indians.
Ever seen a young bull with cows in the same pen? Pakistan's attitude reminds me of the bull and treatment of India reminds me of the cow.....you know what the bull does to the cow, yeah?
From what I understand it was the Chinese who got them. They did not wish to embarrass Pakistan directly so they handed them to the Americans who in turn gave it to the Indians.
I wonder where you are getting the figure of 11 years from, I mean Musharraf published his book in 2002/3 I guess and Kargil was details are all over that book.
The whole world know's Pakistan was forced to withdraw from Kargil so is that not acceptance???
As far as I know, only the American NSA has the capability to do this.
****........10 Indian posts to every Pakistani post, don't you guys have anything better to do then to sit around making stories and defending them all day long?