Pak may never try another Kargil, but it could get worse

[Bang Galore]

Not really, there was a point to Kargil, it was to bring India to the negotiating table. That was not achieved. The second objective was to occupy point 5353 which was accomplished and now we have clear view of IA movements. See, you do not realize that but your military does!

Good for you then...maybe you could have your own victory day in that case.

Yes, there is something special and that's our soldiers. We do not wish them to lose life or limb in that area needlessly just because of egos. But your side, quite obviously, does not care that thousands of soldiers have been lost to weather and none to combat.

You care only about losing lives & limbs in Siachen? Lives & limbs lost elsewhere including in the equally desolate Drass-Kargil sector (manned throughout the year after Kargil)does not bother you? We have lost soldiers to both combat as well as the environment in Siachen but our casualty rate has steadily dropped which is why we are in no hurry to go anywhere. No one is stopping you from going if you want.

Should it matter to us what you want or do not want to listen to? As the aggressor and occupier you ofcourse would not want to listen to anything. But it will happen and that is guaranteed. I hope, wish and pray that it happens bloodlessly.

Just as long as you remember that we too are similarly unconcerned on what you may want. Your hopes & prayers are your business, nothing to do with us.

 

[Areesh]

Yeah you should invest more in state-of-art thermobaric shelters, developing nutritious food materials that can be used up there, better snow camos and related medical facilities to your soldiers stationed there.

Despite all the investment Indian members are too naive to realize that you can't beat mother nature. Nativity at it's best.

 

[Bang Galore]

They ask you to withdraw since they want to end a useless war. We have deployed troops because of your presence. No India. No Pakistani troops. Anyways you don't see Pakistani soldiers attacking Indians on Siachin. Why? Because they have realized the futility of this war. They are very much satisfied with the status quo with us securing our territory. We just want the withdrawal so that another soldier(at least our soldier) doesn't become victim of frost bite or avalanche. We don't like a soldier losing his life or his limb because of this war.

And our peaks are in piece again thanks to our brave soldiers. Check the number of ascents by foreign groups on those peaks.

You know of some useful war anywhere else on the border ? Siachen is just one part. If you can't handle the cold, you have the choice of getting out of the freezer. We are not about to go anywhere, we will leave to your higher peaks whilst we enjoy treks on the glacier. Fair enough?

Despite all the investment Indian members are too naive to realize that you can't beat mother nature. Nativity at it's best.

Aaah! Concerned about Indians now, are we? Not your problem. Move on.

 

[Jade]

Another Kargil would not happen because not that Pakistan has learnt lessons from its past blunders, but because of the introduction of nukes into the region.

Agree or not, nukes have settled Kashmir issue for all. LOC as IB is the solution.

 

[ares]

The point is, did we lose half the country to you or did we simply went our separate ways after a fight? The day you get that through your very thick Indian skulls, you will realize that Bangladesh just used you like a ***** for a bad night and then spit you out just so she could get a divorce from us

No amount of sugar coating " ohh.. we just decided to part ways amicably because things weren't out b/w us" can turn a humiliating defeat and an unconditional surrender into a "mutual divorce"

You did your utmost to keep East Pakistan ..even if that meant massacring innumerable citizens of your own.
And hadn't India intervened..Bangladesh would probably still be East Pakistan.

But the question you need to ponder is ..would we have interfered hadn't you made a enemy out us by interfering in Kashmir in 65...I doubt it.

 

[Bhairava]

Despite all the investment Indian members are too naive to realize that you can't beat mother nature. Nativity at it's best.

Our problem..not yours.

If pakistanis are intelligent enough to know that you can move out of Saltoro.

 

[INDIC]

Another Kargil would not happen because not that Pakistan has learnt lessons from its past blunders, but because of the introduction of nukes into the region.

Agree or not, nukes have settled Kashmir issue for all. LOC as IB is the solution.

Seriously speaking, Pakistan lacks good border infrastructure compared to India and the gap is widening with every passing year.

 

[ares]

I believe insanity was decisively proven after Kargil...

Insanity to deploy almost one million troops...
Insane to remain paralysed for almost a year....
Insanity to suffer almost a thousand dead...without a shot being fired...
Then pull back unilaterally.....
Then more than insanity, the stupidity of chest thumping to satisfy the bruised ego with the banter of cold start, surgical strikes, hot pursuits and then...... the bubble just bursts and all evaporates into thin air....Insanity must be the centre piece for IA's doctrine. !!

We just proved we are not insane..by saving the subcontinent from nuclear holocaust despite your utmost provocations and entire world appreciated us for it!!

Plus you can also admire how our perseverance then paid off ..you own dogs have turned against you, and bitten your head off...your country lies in ruins because the fruits of the terrorist infrastructure(which we wanted to destroy in those surgical strikes or fwd deployment) you created to destroy us, has instead decimated your own country!!

Do tell what was the world response to your insane moves in Kargil?..not even you best friends came to your rescue...in the end..you not only faced immense humiliation both internally and externally ..this war is still regarded by your then PM as the biggest mistake you ever made.

 

[Areesh]

You know of some useful war anywhere else on the border ? Siachen is just one part. If you can't handle the cold, you have the choice of getting out of the freezer. We are not about to go anywhere, we will leave to your higher peaks whilst we enjoy treks on the glacier. Fair enough?

Siachen is part of state of India's insanity. And obviouisly and logically we want this insanity to end. Nobody likes insanity after all. We won't agree to your move out of the freezer type rants but we will keep repeating our demands for the better future of this region. We are pacifists you know.

We are not about to go anywhere, we will leave to your higher peaks whilst we enjoy treks on the glacier.

You can't leave us with our peaks since they are already with us. And if there was anyway you can threaten those peaks we have successfully blocked you from doing so.

Aaah! Concerned about Indians now, are we? Not your problem. Move on.

Read my post my high on Kargil "victory" Indian friend. We care about our soldiers. And that's why we demand an end to this war. But at the same time we won't withdraw while Siachen is being polluted by our enemy. End the war but don't expect us to withdraw unilaterally.

Our problem..not yours.

If pakistanis are intelligent enough to know that you can move out of Saltoro.

Refer to my posts. Won't repeat same stuff for every other Shankar, Ramesh and Vikram.

You all are saying the same BS.

 

[Jackdaws]

Siachen is part of state of India's insanity. And obviouisly and logically we want this insanity to end. Nobody likes insanity after all. We won't agree to your move out of the freezer type rants but we will keep repeating our demands for the better future of this region. We are pacifists you know.



You can't leave us with our peaks since they are already with us. And if there was anyway you can threaten those peaks we have successfully blocked you from doing so.



Read my post my high on Kargil "victory" Indian friend. We care about our soldiers. And that's why we demand an end to this war. But at the same time we won't withdraw while Siachen is being polluted by our enemy. End the war but don't expect us to withdraw unilaterally.



Refer to my posts. Won't repeat same stuff for every other Shankar, Ramesh and Vikram.

You all are saying the same BS.

Solving Siachen is non-starter. You don't save a sinking ship by applying sellotape on the holes. It is the Kashmir issue which needs to be solved once and for all.

 

[Jade]

Seriously speaking, Pakistan lacks good border infrastructure compared to India and the gap is widening with every passing year.

Compared to India, Pakistan lacks lot of thing. People don't realize the part played by the size of economies in waging wars. India being 10 times richer than Pakistan, Pakistan does't stand a chance before India.

 

[Areesh]

Solving Siachen is non-starter. You don't save a sinking ship by applying sellotape on the holes. It is the Kashmir issue which needs to be solved once and for all.

Humm agreed.

 

[Jackdaws]

Compared to India, Pakistan lacks lot of thing. People don't realize the part played by the size of economies in waging wars. India being 10 times richer than Pakistan, Pakistan does't stand a chance before India.

People who take into account only economics don't take into account the general mood of the population. The Yanks were 100 times better off than the Vietnamese and Soviet Russia was a pi$$ poor country when it defeated the Nazis. The Pakistanis will keep fighting even if they are bankrupt. Well, they actually are pretty much bankrupt but they won't budge.

Another factor is world opinion. The world is increasingly wary of Pakistani antics.

 

[Jade]

Siachen is part of state of India's insanity. And obviouisly and logically we want this insanity to end. Nobody likes insanity after all. We won't agree to your move out of the freezer type rants but we will keep repeating our demands for the better future of this region. We are pacifists you know.
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Certain things may be look insane on surface, but are psychological warfare tactics when analysed indept . Siachen is a pride for India and a humiliation for Pakistan.

 

[Jackdaws]

Certain things may be look insane on surface, but are psychological warfare tactics when analysed indept . Siachen is a pride for India and a humiliation for Pakistan.

Let's see - I doubt the guys freezing their balls off at -40C see much pride; nor do the guys slight below freezing their balls at -35C see much humiliation - both probably see stupidity of their leaders.