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Pak may never try another Kargil, but it could get worse

1,000 years of our Civilizations dominance over mother india, is justification of the weak nature of the indian people.



LoL - Our soldiers are in heaven, while yours..............:( sad for them.
Nothing can erase the stink, of the rotting indian corpses.

sirji relax.....
 
I feel sad for the Indians. Kargil must eat away at their souls day and night. Tsk Tsk.
 
i am repeating 10th times on pdf..
that pakistanis are the only generation on the earth who love n laugh at their destruction and remain in delusions.
we love our soldiers and we never hide how many died..

yaa we know that too, lol

Remove George Fernandes -- Coffin Scandal
Date: 12 December 2001
Press Statement
Remove George Fernandes -- Coffin Scandal | Communist Party of India (Marxist)
The Polit Bureau of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) has issued the following statement:

Remove George Fernandes

The CAG report on the procurement for the armed forces during the Kargil conflict reveal largescale bungling and corrupt practices. There can be no more damning indictment than the conclusion arrived at in the report that Rs. 1046 crore, half of it in foreign exchange, was frittered away "breaching established principles of propriety".

The worst case concerns the buying of coffins at the rate of $ 2500 or equivalent to Rs. 1.09 lakh per piece. It is ridiculous to import aluminum coffins from the United States of America when such coffins can be easily produced and made available in the country. The scam involving the supply of cost inflated and overweight coffins to carry the bodies of Indian soldiers killed in Kargil, shows the depths of degeneration in the ministry presided over by George Fernandes.

George Fernandes should not have been re-inducted as minister of defence in the first place, when a judicial commission was investigating the tehelka tapes exposure. Now with the series of defence equipment related scandals tumbling out, the entire country would demand that he be immediately removed from his post. Nothing less can be acceptable to restore confidence among the people in the vital defence ministry.

The Polit Bureau of the CPI(M) calls upon all its Party units to mobilise the people to protest against this latest scandal and demand the removal of the defence minister.
buddy you keep getting down , you know that?
 
I feel sad for the Indians. Kargil must eat away at their souls day and night. Tsk Tsk.

it improved a lot..till 2014-15,kargil will be the biggest air base in north west india :oops:
and show sympathy to those 4000+ :)
it seems that u never worried abt those 4000 and such a thankless job ur soldiers are doing :no:
Tsk Tsk
 
it improved a lot..till 2014-15,kargil will be the biggest air base in north west india :oops:
and show sympathy to those 4000+ :)
it seems that u never worried abt those 4000 and such a thankless job ur soldiers are doing :no:
Tsk Tsk

with the level of indian militry crouption in india, all this is just a fairy tail!
read the secret letter of v k singh, plz
read the Remove George Fernandes -- Coffin Scandal | Communist Party of India (Marxist)
plz come out of your bollywoodize mind frame friend!

Coffin scandal rages in India
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1703495.stm

Kashmir is a hugely sensitive issue in India

The Indian parliament was adjourned on Wednesday for the second day running as the opposition demanded the resignation of Defence Minister George Fernandes over an army coffin scandal.
Both houses of parliament were adjourned over the affair which centres on a report that the government paid vastly inflated sums for coffins for soldiers killed in Kashmir in 1999.


Nobody will forgive those involved for having purchased coffins that had to be subsequently rejected

Indian state radio

Not only were the 500 aluminium coffins overpriced, but the US-based supplier failed to meet Indian specifications.

Soldiers killed fighting separatists in Indian-administered Kashmir are regarded as martyrs by many Indians and opposition deputies shouted down the government with cries of "coffin thieves".

"Nobody will forgive those involved for having purchased coffins that had to be subsequently rejected," Indian state radio commented on Wednesday.

Mr Fernandes only returned as defence minister in October after being forced out of office over a scandal over weapons purchases.

He has refused to resign, saying he has asked the US company for a refund

Public anger

More than 400 Indian soldiers were killed in the 1999 conflict which began when Islamic militants infiltrated the Kargil sector of Kashmir from Pakistan.


A report in The Times of India newspaper says the Comptroller and Auditor General found that the government had paid an American company $2,500 for each of the 500 coffins.


The fighting in Kashmir continues with one militant reported killed on Wednesday
But five years earlier, it had only paid $172 per coffin.

Moreover, many of the coffins were never used, being rejected as too heavy.


"What is really shocking is that the coffins of the martyrs were bought at an exorbitant price," said the chief whip of the opposition Congress Party, Pryaranjan Dasmunshi.

"They have no right to stay in office, until the prime minister explains to the house."


For Indian radio, the anger of opposition deputies was a genuine reflection of public feeling:

"The mood of the parliamentarians amply reflected the shock and anger faced by each and every Indian on these sordid revelations."

Ministry's reply

The Defence Ministry says it had to buy aluminium coffins so that the bodies of Indian soldiers could be sent home in a dignified manner.

It said that an order for 500 coffins was made with the company Buitron and Baize to be delivered in consignments.

When the first batch of coffins was delivered, it was discovered to be sub-standard and that led to the cancellation of the order for the remaining 350.

The Ministry of Defence says the company was in breach of contract and is asking for some of its money back.
 
OMG ..Indian kids going hard here ....

Ok so Pakistan Army still occupies strategic Indian posts like Point 5353, Bunker Ridge, Saddle Ridge, Dalu Nag etc ... Indians counter-attacked and recaptured some post...but at the end of the war ... Pakistan STILL occupied INDIAN POSTS that were on INDIAN SIDE OF LOC , and indians still believe that they "won" ?

The highest point in Drass sector is under Pakistani control...We over-watch NH-1 ...

Poor bhartis believing in fictions ....


Plus : They actually believe the fictional number of 4000 Pakistani deaths? Which military will deploy 4000 troops on few peaks? There is not even enough space...not to mention the arms carried by 4000 men...

Nawaz Sharif didn't even know what was happening in Kargil....How will he know what happened there? lol ... He just takes in personal grudges against Musharraf...

Pakistan lost some 450-480 men ...India lost 587-1800 men ...

Pakistan captured Indian posts on Indian side of LoC ... Indians didn't capture even a single inch of Pakistani land...

In the end , as independent military experts like Brain Cloughley puts it , Pakistan won Kargil militarily...while India only won kargil in media and newspaper :rofl:
 
OMG ..Indian kids going hard here ....

Ok so Pakistan Army still occupies strategic Indian posts like Point 5353, Bunker Ridge, Saddle Ridge, Dalu Nag etc ... Indians counter-attacked and recaptured some post...but at the end of the war ... Pakistan STILL occupied INDIAN POSTS that were on INDIAN SIDE OF LOC , and indians still believe that they "won" ?

The highest point in Drass sector is under Pakistani control...We over-watch NH-1 ...

Poor bhartis believing in fictions ....


Plus : They actually believe the fictional number of 4000 Pakistani deaths? Which military will deploy 4000 troops on few peaks? There is not even enough space...not to mention the arms carried by 4000 men...

Nawaz Sharif didn't even know what was happening in Kargil....How will he know what happened there? lol ... He just takes in personal grudges against Musharraf...

Pakistan lost some 450-480 men ...India lost 587-1800 men ...

Pakistan captured Indian posts on Indian side of LoC ... Indians didn't capture even a single inch of Pakistani land...

In the end , as independent military experts like Brain Cloughley puts it , Pakistan won Kargil militarily...while India only won kargil in media and newspaper :rofl:


what post did you capture? Point 5353?

rediff.com: The Rediff Interview/ General Ved Prakash Malik (retd)

Another interesting fact how Pakistan army leadership disowned their soldiers, an account from a PAF Pilot.

Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air Force

Still Siachen episode continues to haunt Many pakistanis like a thorn in a flesh.
 
There weren't even 5,000 Pakistani soldiers involved in Kargil, not even 5,000 caskets, there was 5,000 nothing. Typical Indian fool no intellectual integrity will believe whatever his shining democratic corrupt Government will feed him, claiming his original country is "Israel".

No Idiot,

Do Not attack me when YOU don't Know me personally. You are free to believe what you want to,
13 years back some iaf pilots did great job

may intruders rot in hell.

peace! ;)
 
OMG ..Indian kids going hard here ....

Ok so Pakistan Army still occupies strategic Indian posts like Point 5353, Bunker Ridge, Saddle Ridge, Dalu Nag etc ... Indians counter-attacked and recaptured some post...but at the end of the war ... Pakistan STILL occupied INDIAN POSTS that were on INDIAN SIDE OF LOC , and indians still believe that they "won" ?

The highest point in Drass sector is under Pakistani control...We over-watch NH-1 ...

Poor bhartis believing in fictions ....


Plus : They actually believe the fictional number of 4000 Pakistani deaths? Which military will deploy 4000 troops on few peaks? There is not even enough space...not to mention the arms carried by 4000 men...

Nawaz Sharif didn't even know what was happening in Kargil....How will he know what happened there? lol ... He just takes in personal grudges against Musharraf...

Pakistan lost some 450-480 men ...India lost 587-1800 men ...

Pakistan captured Indian posts on Indian side of LoC ... Indians didn't capture even a single inch of Pakistani land...

In the end , as independent military experts like Brain Cloughley puts it , Pakistan won Kargil militarily...while India only won kargil in media and newspaper :rofl:

Our army chief has clarified that Point 5353 was never occupied by India.
 
Kargil war was probably the best thing that actually happened to India. The sad loss of lives not withstanding, the war in Kargil almost certainly put paid to any idea of resolving Kashmir then which would have included a large land transfer benefiting Pakistan. In 1999, with the Kashmir insurgency still ongoing, the settlement of the Kashmir issue would have involved land transfers that have now become unthinkable. Many in Pakistan have spoken of the Chenab formula, even if that might not have happened exactly, Pakistan would have still benefited greatly. A solution to the Kashmir dispute was foremost in the reasons for the trip to Pakistan by PM Vajpayee. Unlike Manmohan Singh, Vajpayee had the clout, both within his own party as well as in the country to actually push for a resolution that involved substantial transfer of land. Pakistani aggression in Kargil put an end to any chance of an early resolution and subsequently, other events including 9/11 & its aftermath overtook everyone concerned. We were very lucky, the bullet missing us by a whisker. Today in 2012, the positions of the two countries are so different with Pakistan almost under siege & doing badly economically & India having had a fairly decent run on that score, the terms of resolution that may have been considered in 1999 will never be on the table now. We have the Pakistan army to thank for that.
 
Kargil war was probably the best thing that actually happened to India. The sad loss of lives not withstanding, the war in Kargil almost certainly put paid to any idea of resolving Kashmir then which would have included a large land transfer benefiting Pakistan. In 1999, with the Kashmir insurgency still ongoing, the settlement of the Kashmir issue would have involved land transfers that have now become unthinkable. Many in Pakistan have spoken of the Chenab formula, even if that might not have happened exactly, Pakistan would have still benefited greatly. A solution to the Kashmir dispute was foremost in the reasons for the trip to Pakistan by PM Vajpayee. Unlike Manmohan Singh, Vajpayee had the clout, both within his own party as well as in the country to actually push for a resolution that involved substantial transfer of land. Pakistani aggression in Kargil put an end to any chance of an early resolution and subsequently, other events including 9/11 & its aftermath overtook everyone concerned. We were very lucky, the bullet missing us by a whisker. Today in 2012, the positions of the two countries are so different with Pakistan almost under siege & doing badly economically & India having had a fairly decent run on that score, the terms of resolution that may have been considered in 1999 will never be on the table now. We have the Pakistan army to thank for that.

India bolsters western front with fighters, radars and IAF-Army operational synergy

And still you are scared shitless from the western front??? Just goes on to tell us how you have fared in Kargil as well as in 2002. Ironically, Indians are quoting claims of 4k-5k Pak Army soldiers being martyred when their own Government/Military claims roughly 1k martyrs on the Pakistani front. Even if that is correct, it was achieved after pitting 30k+ soldiers from Army + unknown number of squadrons of IAF against a few thousand soldiers. I shudder to imagine the coffin situation in India had the response from Pakistani side been proportional.

Then comes 2001/2, attack on the Indian Parliament and India as usual blames Pakistan even before any proper investigation is carried out.....goes on to amass over half a million soldiers and kills almost 2k of her own soldiers in the process. But that's just that, they dare not cross the border, not even against a country that is 1/7th their size and probably even smaller in resources. It was like spitting first and then licking it off.

Bravo indeed!
 
what post did you capture? Point 5353?

Point 5353, Bunker Ridge, Saddle Ridge, Dalu Nag etc .... Pakistan Army gained the strategic-edge of over-looking your NH-1D after kagil ....hence a military victory.


Wrong. This interview came in 2001! ....while my sources come from 2004 , and even 2009! So ...

Here is something for you and fellow buddy indians ..

Point 5353, Bunker Ridge, Saddle Ridge, Dalu Nag. These are posts in the Kargil sector that the soldiers of the Indian army knew incontrovertibly to be their own. They form a sort of memory map of disjointed emplacements along the treacherous mountains in the Kargil sector. Features that are joined in various military maps of the area by dotted lines.Army sources confirmed to Tehelka that at least two of these features are under Pakistani control, thanks to botched up military operations and a government that wanted to hide the truth

Tehelka - The People's Paper

Also , Indians tried to "recapture" point 5353 many times during Kargil..if it was a "Pakistani post" , why would you try to "recapture" it? :rolleyes:


Another interesting fact how Pakistan army leadership disowned their soldiers, an account from a PAF Pilot.

Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air Force

Wow! Indians don't believe Kaiser Tufail when he shatters the myth of "good indian performance" against Pakistan , but now that he is talking that suits you...He has become a "source" ... inconsistency..

Also , there is some misconception (or brainwashing) on Indian side....So lets clear it once for an all...

Pakistan Army NEVER refused to take back her soldiers...BUT..they refused to take back the bodies of "Mujahideeen" fighting along side army..... Hope now you know what happened....

Plus : Indians also refused to take back their fallen soldiers' bodies... Source : A soldier who fought in Kargil...

So please lets not go this way...

Still Siachen episode continues to haunt Many pakistanis like a thorn in a flesh.

Siachen is of no strategic value. Pakistan Army check-mated indians by occupying Gyong La pass .....

India bolsters western front with fighters, radars and IAF-Army operational synergy

And still you are scared shitless from the western front??? Just goes on to tell us how you have fared in Kargil as well as in 2002. Ironically, Indians are quoting claims of 4k-5k Pak Army soldiers being martyred when their own Government/Military claims roughly 1k martyrs on the Pakistani front. Even if that is correct, it was achieved after pitting 30k+ soldiers from Army + unknown number of squadrons of IAF against a few thousand soldiers. I shudder to imagine the coffin situation in India had the response from Pakistani side been proportional.

Then comes 2001/2, attack on the Indian Parliament and India as usual blames Pakistan even before any proper investigation is carried out.....goes on to amass over half a million soldiers and kills almost 2k of her own soldiers in the process. But that's just that, they dare not cross the border, not even against a country that is 1/7th their size and probably even smaller in resources. It was like spitting first and then licking it off.

Bravo indeed!

Not to mention , india "UNILATERALLY" withdrew from the stand-off (after wasting thousands of crores and losing some thousand soldiers or so ...) ...

lol
 
Point 5353, Bunker Ridge, Saddle Ridge, Dalu Nag etc .... Pakistan Army gained the strategic-edge of over-looking your NH-1D after kagil ....hence a military victory.

Excellent! We would like you to have more "such" victories. 13 years later, any closer to getting Kashmir or even Siachen?

Siachen is of no strategic value. Pakistan Army check-mated indians by occupying Gyong La pass .....

Again excellent analysis! Now if you would only be kind enough to pass on the "no strategic value" fact to your fellow Pakistanis who for some stupid reason want India to withdraw..........
 

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