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Pak. loses 7 billion by avoiding India goods

As I said earlier, in the same vein, it is marvellous how you have captured our essential duplicity and unreliability in a few terse sentences. Brilliant.

How I wish that your sarcasm could prove my point wrong, but it wont.

Put yourself in my shoes and see how you will feel when someone like India whose whole existence revolves around undermining my country in every possible way starts showing "concern" about our loses (which we might or might not make).

Especially under these circumstances!

So shoot me with another jibe,sire. No problems there! :-)
 
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How I wish that your sarcasm could prove my point wrong, but it wont.

Put yourself in my shoes and see how you will feel when someone like India whose whole existence revolves around undermining my country in every possible way starts showing "concern" about our loses (which we might or might not make).

Especially under these circumstances!

So shoot me with another jibe,sire. No problems there! :-)

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I don't argue with brick (or any other kind) walls either. I'd rather work with those who think the way I do. Nothing personal, it's about being too old to spend a lifetime building bridges or explaining what's happened.

If you put yourself in my shoes and saw things from my perspective, you might get an unexpected shock.

Finally, I wasn't being sarcastic, only bitter and ironic. If you can figure out the difference, you will understand the sentence two before this.
 
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I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I don't argue with brick (or any other kind) walls either. I'd rather work with those who think the way I do. Nothing personal, it's about being too old to spend a lifetime building bridges or explaining what's happened.

If you put yourself in my shoes and saw things from my perspective, you might get an unexpected shock.

Finally, I wasn't being sarcastic, only bitter and ironic. If you can figure out the difference, you will understand the sentence two before this.

If all it takes to be a brick to protect own national interests, I would gladly be one. Again no problems there.

I am coming more and more to this conclusion that these both countries should leave each other alone and should not have any sort of relationships (if something like that is possible at all).

India is a gone case. From younger Pakistan PoV, we should look elsewhere and ignore this country. Yes as a country we can not chose or change our neighbors, but our role-model is China not this extremely irritating neighbor India. We can learn a lot of things from China and start repairing our relations with other neighbors. Let the silly and childish arrogance India is living in, consume her.

I hope within hope that India has similar feelings towards us and leave us alone for a decade or so.
 
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The "so-called think tank" has based it's computations based on thin air.

You think whatever we can't sell to Pakistan (that was somehow earmarked and designated for it specifically) remains in a warehouse somewhere forever? lol.

Read up economics 101 please.
 
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You think whatever we can't sell to Pakistan (that was somehow earmarked and designated for it specifically) remains in a warehouse somewhere forever? lol.

Read up economics 101 please.
I actually did read much more than that while I was doing by Chartered Accountancy, bozo.

Read my earlier post again. This so-called think tank's $7b calculation is based on thin air. It's a farce. A ridiculously high figure.
 
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I actually did read much more than that while I was doing by Chartered Accountancy, bozo.

Read my earlier post again. This so-called think tank's $7b calculation is based on thin air. It's a farce. A ridiculously high figure.

Sure the figure itself can be brought into question for sure as can all figures (have not looked into detail about it - neither do I really care so much).

Sorry I thought you were referring to the logic by Joe (kind of a think tank?) earlier. My bad!
 
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If all it takes to be a brick to protect own national interests, I would gladly be one. Again no problems there.

I am coming more and more to this conclusion that these both countries should leave each other alone and should not have any sort of relationships (if something like that is possible at all).

India is a gone case. From younger Pakistan PoV, we should look elsewhere and ignore this country. Yes as a country we can not chose or change our neighbors, but our role-model is China not this extremely irritating neighbor India. We can learn a lot of things from China and start repairing our relations with other neighbors. Let the silly and childish arrogance India is living in, consume her.

I hope within hope that India has similar feelings towards us and leave us alone for a decade or so.

You don't get it do you?

Let's take the two things separately.

It was the US that was your role model first. and that's where your troubles started. Because you had nothing going for you, no identity, only that whatever your neighbour was, you would not be. That isn't a very positive way to go forward, and that is why you periodically search for role models. Then with Zia, they became bad news and you found refuge in religion of an unreconstructed, unrefreshed variety. Fair enough; your call. Now you're looking for the Chinese.

Have you got the clue? In another fifteen years, max twenty, you will find the Chinese aren't what you really need to follow and you'll be looking for someone else again. The problem is not with your role models. The problem is with a country that can't settle down to live in peace with itself, with its neighbours or with the world.

As far as leaving you alone is concerned, it was not my country that armed and sent in desperados of the worst kind. We didn't pick a fight with you in 65; read your own records. Every single one will confirm that it was blatant aggression on your part, sending commandos into Kashmir and then attacking across the international border (something, ironically, that you accuse us of doing, out of sheer ignorance). We didn't grab the border heights and start a shooting match, any more than we were training and arming to grab the glaciers through a pre-emptive move. And, most of all, we don't have a vast organisation training idiots to go and die in Kashmir.

And you have the fucking cheek to talk about us leaving you alone?

Gladly, mister, be as alone as you want. Why didn't you think of this and do this sixty something years earlier? If you had, today, we would be kissing your collective arse with gratitude and thankfulness.

Good luck being alone. I hope you can convince the others. I doubt it, but good luck anyway. The way you have landed up, you need all the luck you can get. Plus the goodwill of peaceniks like me, who don't get tired of getting kicked in the teeth every single frigging time, and who keep coming back trying to get things peaceable again.
 
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I'd say it is gaining, considering India has a far stronger manufacturing base, which could flood Pakistani markets.

Pakistan has seen what kind of damage open trade, with a far larger manufacturer can do. case in point: China. The free trade between the two has absolutely wreaked a number of Pakistani industries, including the once increasingly popular solar panel industry, which is now in absolute shambles.

Pakistan isn't trading with India out of hate, though tensions don't help, rather it is avoiding doing so because of a fear of being flooded with cheap goods.

@Nilgiri
 
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It doesn't penetrate easily, does it?

You are buying goods worth x to the Indians who want to sell it. You aren't paying x, you are paying x + $7.0 bn. So the Indians get their x anyway. But somebody else buggers you and takes $7.0 bn. for the pleasure of it. The money going to R&W is not affected. The money coming out of you is more to the extent of $ 7.0 bn.

50 comments in and they still don't get it. Can you please reiterate this point once again for them?
 
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50 comments in and they still don't get it. Can you please reiterate this point once again for them?

If they don't get, they don't get.....50, 100, 1000.......not going to make a difference.
 
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Remember the motto of The Straight Dope "fighting ignorance since 1973". Fight ignorance my friend.

I've news for you. I've retired.

I'd say it is gaining, considering India has a far stronger manufacturing base, which could flood Pakistani markets.

Pakistan has seen what kind of damage open trade, with a far larger manufacturer can do. case in point: China. The free trade between the two has absolutely wreaked a number of Pakistani industries, including the once increasingly popular solar panel industry, which is now in absolute shambles.

Pakistan isn't trading with India out of hate, though tensions don't help, rather it is avoiding doing so because of a fear of being flooded with cheap goods.

@Nilgiri

Does anybody from your side have any idea about the theory of comparative advantage? Is that taught any longer?

Instead of dealing with products where we are strong, have you ever considered working on your strengths?

Have you, for instance, seen Indian women pounce on clothing tailored in Pakistan? Do you know how many Pakistani kids work in our movies and our music industry, and how many more could come in? I could go on like this, but it's appropriate that Pakistan should do it for herself. Unfortunately, she refuses to. Nothing rational emerges from that side, and this stupid behaviour encourages and has even brought into power truly sinister forces on our side. Hate breeds hate.
 
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