Pak High Commission Staffer held for Espionage

[kashmeri]

Let suppose he was engaged. He was collecting information only. Not doing terrorism activities like kulbhushan yadav.

 

[ManavKalia]

Typical Indian rant with no Substance. For once please go and read the entire history as to what leads to the event that Forces Army to intervene. The very Civil Govt calls them. Which itself is no democratic. But then again Do I really have to prove something to you ? I dont think so

Ya ya sure dude, civil government calls the army to intervene, and then says take over please, arrest me, then hang me, or if I'm lucky then deport me to middle eastern exile. Read your history buddy, you have nothing to prove to me, only to yourself.

 

[Jackdaws]

Let suppose he was engaged. He was collecting information only. Not doing terrorism activities like kulbhushan yadav.

Was Yadav actually caught committing an act of terror? Like Kasab was? Or should the world believe the Pakistani Govt's word - you know the word of a country known for hanging Prime Ministers, killing own citizens and a record of nuclear proliferation? It doesn't look good for you, I am afraid. Your people have constantly been lied to and have gobbled up a lot of conspiracy theories - the rest of the world is not so gullible. I guess it is only natural to believe the best of your country - Indians too are guilty of that.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Was Yadav actually caught committing an act of terror? Like Kasab was? Or should the world believe the Pakistani Govt's word - you know the word of a country known for hanging Prime Ministers, killing own citizens and a record of nuclear proliferation? It doesn't look good for you, I am afraid. Your people have constantly been lied to and have gobbled up a lot of conspiracy theories - the rest of the world is not so gullible. I guess it is only natural to believe the best of your country - Indians too are guilty of that.

Yadav was arrested with terrorists with a fake passport and has revealed and confessed to supporting terrorist organisations.

 

[Jackdaws]

Yadav was arrested with terrorists with a fake passport and has revealed and confessed to supporting terrorist organisations.

I know that is Pakistan's stance - but there is no "smoking gun" - for all I know he is a spy - but he was not caught in the middle of committing an act of terror.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I know that is Pakistan's stance - but there is no "smoking gun" - for all I know he is a spy - but he was not caught in the middle of committing an act of terror.

Nah but he was caught in a SF raid with terrorists... The spy was caught butt naked...

Meanwhile on the other hand there is only an accusation that a Staffer was caught with your top secret and released ? No evidence nothing...

Can say the same about the Indian diplomat who was sent home on similar accusations by Islamabad .. Surrender Singh ?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The hyper nationalistic regime is a civilian regime, and will be toppled by due democratic process involving ballot boxes.

It will not be toppled by a military coup by the Indian army, like a banana republic.

The current hyper nationalism by our government is only to divert attention from the failing to deliver on electoral promises regarding the economy, and other issues like agricultural neglect and upcoming state elections.

If that opens your eyes further, you're most welcome.



Other countries can't be held responsible for your army's own failings. The real world doesn't work that way.



I know. But I see that more as a love for their nation vs love for the army. Since the army has been in power for a major part of their history, it is only natural that the rulers have indoctrinated the subjects thru propaganda. Similar to the indoctrination by the Indian national Congress, because they ruled for a major part of our history.

It is only in recent years that both narratives in both countries have started being questioned by the people. The thing is people in India question more openly because more freedom of speech is there in India. People in Pakistan have less freedom of this kind, so they question it more privately than publicly.

But all Pakistanis I've met, do blame the wrong decisions taken during the years of army rule, that have led to thousands of terrorism related deaths, and it's financial consequences leading to political and economic turmoil.

Pakistan Army did not cause the war in Syria and it's unintentional consequences for Pakistan.

 

[ManavKalia]

Pakistan Army did not cause the war in Syria and it's unintentional consequences for Pakistan.

You mean to say that Syria is responsible for the thousands of terrorism related deaths in Pakistan?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You mean to say that Syria is responsible for the thousands of terrorism related deaths in Pakistan?

No but it is responsible for our economy not taking off sooner as it has delayed/been a setback to taking Pakistan's relationship with Turkey to a similar level to that we have with China.

 

[ManavKalia]

No but it is responsible for our economy not taking off sooner as it has delayed/been a setback to taking Pakistan's relationship with Turkey to a similar level to that we have with China.

Look very frankly, China has a totally different strategic equation with you than Turkey does. Your economy has been suffering due to terrorism related violence, political instability, and unchecked corruption. The army being directly responsible for the first two, and indirectly responsible for the third.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Look very frankly, China has a totally different strategic equation with you than Turkey does. Your economy has been suffering due to terrorism related violence, political instability, and unchecked corruption. The army being directly responsible for the first two, and indirectly responsible for the third.

That is the PRECISE reason why our relationship with Turkey has an equation dissimilar to the one we have with China. The strength of that relationship should be at the same level as that between China and Pakistan. Many Turkish and Pakistani political commentators have stated as such. The war in Syria has delayed this process. This has not been good for the Pakistan economy. But the strengthening and forging of Pakistan Turkey links to high levels is enivateable.

 

[salarsikander]

Ya ya sure dude, civil government calls the army to intervene, and then says take over please, arrest me, then hang me, or if I'm lucky then deport me to middle eastern exile. Read your history buddy, you have nothing to prove to me, only to yourself.

Now youre just behaving like a typical child. Reading stuff with typical Indian mindset will only give you the answer that you have posted above

 

[ManavKalia]

That is the PRECISE reason why our relationship with Turkey has an equation dissimilar to the one we have with China. The strength of that relationship should be at the same level as that between China and Pakistan. Many Turkish and Pakistani political commentators have stated as such. The war in Syria has delayed this process. This has not been good for the Pakistan economy. But the strengthening and forging of Pakistan Turkey links to high levels is enivateable.

You do realise you're proving my point here?

When the absence of a hypothetical future relationship with another country is being touted as a reason for your economic problems you do realise that your economy is fundamentally weak, and the root cause for that is that your country is institutionally weak.

And whose responsible for making your country institutionally weak? All roads lead to Rome, or in this case your army.

Now youre just behaving like a typical child. Reading stuff with typical Indian mindset will only give you the answer that you have posted above

Tell me what is it that I wrote which is factually incorrect? It's your history, not mine.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You do realise you're proving my point here?

When the absence of a hypothetical future relationship with another country is being touted as a reason for your economic problems you do realise that your economy is fundamentally weak, and the root cause for that is that your country is institutionally weak.

And whose responsible for making your country institutionally weak? All roads lead to Rome, or in this case your army.

It has been weak for many decades. But now there have been many unprecedented reforms, projects and programs taking place which are starting to reverse the economic situation much more quickly and effectively then had been previously anticipated. This could be further aided with relationships with powerful friendly nations. For Pakistan, this is simply the start of the beginning. Turkey is a brotherly nation of whom Pakistan shares a lot in common with. That has the power, means and willingness to help us achieve middle income nation status. Therefore our relationship with them is important from a cultural and economic standpoint.

 

[salarsikander]

Tell me what is it that I wrote which is factually incorrect? It's your history, not mine.

The mindset that you have, and the way you bluntly put up everything, just goes on to show that with such confined mentality you will not learn but only make some few cheap brownie score points