Pak Ex-Gen admits killings of 3 million Bangladeshis

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I dont know what the "moderators" of this "Pakistan (?!) defence forum" are doing! they should immediately ban everyone, especially indians, mentioning the 3 million figure and and should delete all such threads....3,000,000! there were 55,000 regular in EP (east pakistan) in 32 battalions each with a rifle strength of roughly 400 = less than 13,000 riflemen; even if we dragoon personnel form other arms, no more than 15,000 riflemen could have been scrounged from this.
90 % percent of the dead bengalis were killed by indian army terrorists [disguised as muktis] and the muktis [ most of the active members of which were bengali hindus and WEST bengali hindus posing as east bengalis] ...
@ moderators -- what are you promoting here? bharati terrorist propoganda under the guise of free speech? this figure (3 million) is impossible under any circumstances --yes terrorist acts were commited by pakistanis but these were mniscule in number compared to bharati terror --- as I always said --try all terrorist sbut include indian army terrorists (including those who pplanned the terror operations) and the muktis who slaughtered pakistanis even after the surrender ......

Perfect example of frustration.

 

[K-Xeroid]

creation on Bangladesh was on two nation theory. If two communities cannot live together, they should separate.

Ok! when were we living together? Yea! We were the part of same nation, but that part is in Bay of Bengal linked with ASEAN, while we are linked with M.E , Even our bordar isn't linked with each other, I don't get it , wat is your point? Two Nation theory even isn't applicable here, Their role is different in their region and we have different matters, again it the matter of location.

Freedom Fighters killed them buddy not India. And Pakistan has always supported "Freedom Fighters". You even support Balochi freedom fighters and that's why your govt brought in NATO to kill your own soldiers. Remember Salalah? If Americans can bomb their own WTC why not Pakistan?

Alert!!! Detected an infected Bharti, an Internet Hindu Warrior. (A Hypocrite is detected)

 

[manofwar]

Wikipedia
So Indian supported militants killed nearly 50000 to 500000 non bengalis, Now how indians react on it ? let see

Are you an idiot ??or Blind?? Why would India kill their own immigrated people(even Biharis)??
We have always displayed a high regard for NRI's and cherished them as our own............
We supported Awami league due to Immigrant crisis in India after this happened............

I dont know what the "moderators" of this "Pakistan (?!) defence forum" are doing! they should immediately ban everyone, especially indians, mentioning the 3 million figure and and should delete all such threads....3,000,000! there were 55,000 regular in EP (east pakistan) in 32 battalions each with a rifle strength of roughly 400 = less than 13,000 riflemen; even if we dragoon personnel form other arms, no more than 15,000 riflemen could have been scrounged from this.
90 % percent of the dead bengalis were killed by indian army terrorists [disguised as muktis] and the muktis [ most of the active members of which were bengali hindus and WEST bengali hindus posing as east bengalis] ...
@ moderators -- what are you promoting here? bharati terrorist propoganda under the guise of free speech? this figure (3 million) is impossible under any circumstances --yes terrorist acts were commited by pakistanis but these were mniscule in number compared to bharati terror --- as I always said --try all terrorist sbut include indian army terrorists (including those who pplanned the terror operations) and the muktis who slaughtered pakistanis even after the surrender ......

Noob alert
All these sources(from wikipedia) say the same thing- Pakistanis initiated a genocide on their own countrymen-

^ a b c U.S. Consulate (Dacca) Cable, Sitrep: Army Terror Campaign Continues in Dacca; Evidence Military Faces Some Difficulties Elsewhere, March 31, 1971, Confidential, 3 pp
^ a b c d Telegram 978 From the Consulate General in Dacca to the Department of State, March 29, 1971, 1130Z
^ a b Pakistan: The Ravaging of Golden Bengal, Time, 1971-08-02
^ Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report, chapter 2, paragraph 33
^ "Bangladesh Islamist leader Ghulam Azam charged". BBC. 13 May 2012. Retrieved 13 May 2012.
^ Rummel, Rudolph J., "Statistics of Democide: Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900", ISBN 3-8258-4010-7, Chapter 8, Table 8.2 Pakistan Genocide in Bangladesh Estimates, Sources, and Calcualtions: lowest estimate 2 million claimed by Pakistan (reported by Aziz, Qutubuddin. Blood and tears Karachi: United Press of Pakistan, 1974. pp. 74,226), some other sources used by Rummel suggest a figure of between 8 and 10 million with one (Johnson, B. L. C. Bangladesh. New York: Barnes & Noble, 1975. pp. 73,75) that "could have been" 12 million.
^ Many of the eyewitness accounts of relations that were picked up by "Al Badr" forces describe them as Bengali men. The only survivor of the Rayerbazar killings describes the captors and killers of Bengali professionals as fellow Bengalis. See 37 Dilawar Hossain, account reproduced in ‘Ekattorer Ghatok-dalalera ke Kothay’ (Muktijuddha Chetona Bikash Kendro, Dhaka, 1989)
^ a b Asadullah Khan The loss continues to haunt us in The Daily Star (Bangladesh) 14 December 2005
^ DPA report Mass grave found in Bangladesh in The Chandigarh Tribune 8 August 1999
^ Sajit Gandhi The Tilt: The U.S. and the South Asian Crisis of 1971 National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 79 16 December 2002
^ a b East Pakistan: Even the Skies Weep, Time Magazine, October 25, 1971.
^ a b Sen, Sumit (1999). "Stateless Refugees and the Right to Return: the Bihari Refugees of South Asia, Part 1" (PDF). International Journal of Refugee Law 11 (4): 625–645. DOI:10.1093/ijrl/11.4.625. Retrieved October 20, 2006.
^ Gandhi, Sajit, ed. (16 December 2002), The Tilt: The U.S. and the South Asian Crisis of 1971: National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 79
^ a b U.S. Consulate in Dacca (March 27, 1971), Selective genocide, Cable (PDF)
^ Telegram 959 From the US Consulate General in Dacca to the Department of State, March 28, 1971, 0540Z ("Selective Genocide")
^ Foreign Relations, 1969-1976, Volume E-7, Documents on South Asia, 1969-1972
^ a b Dr. N. Rabbee Remembering a Martyr Star weekend Magazine, The Daily Star 16 December 2005
^ a b Rummel, Rudolph J. (1998). Statistics of Democide: Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900. Berlin: LIT Verlag Berlin-Hamburg-Münster. pp. 153–164. ISBN 3-8258-4010-7.
^ a b Totten, Samuel; Parsons, William S.; Charny, Israel W. (2004). Century of Genocide: Critical Essays and Eyewitness Accounts. London: Routledge. pp. 295–321. ISBN 0-415-94430-9.
^ a b Charny, Israel W. (1999). Encyclopedia of Genocide. California: ABC-Clio Inc.. pp. 115, 116. ISBN 0-87436-928-2.
^ a b Totten, Samuel (2000). Teaching About Genocide: Issues, Approaches and Resources. North Carolina: Information age publishing. pp. 143–155. ISBN 1-59311-074-X.
^ Sarmila Bose Anatomy of Violence: Analysis of Civil War in East Pakistan in 1971: Military Action: Operation Searchlight Economic and Political Weekly Special Articles, 8 October 2005
^ Salik, Siddiq, Witness To Surrender, p63, p228-9 ISBN= 984-05-1373-7
^ Pakistan Defence Journal, 1977, Vol 2, p2-3
^ Hamoodur Rahman Commission, Chapter 2, Paragraph 33
^ "3 MILLION Slaughtered Sheik MUJIB Charges 'Greatest Massacre'" The Portsmouth Herald, Monday, 17 January 1972, Portsmouth, New Hampshire
^ Bangladesh war crimes
^ Pierre Stephen and Robert Payne References needs a page number
^ Scott Lamb Never Again? in Der Spiegel 26 January 2005
^ White, Matthew J. The Great Big Book of Horrible Things New York:2012 W.W. Norton Page 190.
^ a b Rummel, Rudolph J., "Statistics of Democide: Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900", ISBN 3-8258-4010-7, Chapter 8, table 8.1
^ "Conference Agenda". State.gov. The Office of Electronic Information, Bureau of Public Affairs. Archived from the original on April 9, 2008.
^ Anwar Iqbal Sheikh Mujib wanted a confederation: US papers, The Dawn, 7 July 2005, this article was also published in the in Financial Express, 16 December 2005 under the byline US State Department's declassified documents
^ Ajoy Roy, "Homage to my martyr colleagues", 2002
^ "125 Slain in Dacca Area, Believed Elite of Bengal". New York Times (New York, NY, USA): p. 1. 19 December 1971. Retrieved 2008-01-04. "At least 125 persons, believed to be physicians, professors, writers and teachers were found murdered today in a field outside Dacca. All the victims' hands were tied behind their backs and they had been bayoneted, garroted or shot. They were among an estimated 300 Bengali intellectuals who had been seized by West Pakistani soldiers and locally recruited supporters."
^ Murshid, Tazeen M. (December 2, 1997). "State, nation, identity: The quest for legitimacy in Bangladesh". South Asia: Journal of South Asian Studies, (Routledge) 20 (2): 1–34. DOI:10.1080/00856409708723294. ISSN 14790270.
^ a b Khan, Muazzam Hussain (2003), "Killing of Intellectuals", Banglapedia, Asiatic Society of Bangladesh
^ Shaiduzzaman (December 14, 2005), "Martyred intellectuals: martyred history", The Daily New Age, Bangladesh
^ Dr. Rashid Askari, "Our martyerd intellectuals", editorial, the Daily Star, December 14, 2005
^ Dr. M.A. Hasan, Juddhaporadh, Gonohatya o bicharer anneshan, War Crimes Fact Finding Committee and Genocide archive & Human Studies Centre, Dhaka, 2001
^ Shahiduzzaman No count of the nation’s intellectual loss The New Age, December 15, 2005
^ Killing of Intellectuals Asiatic Society of Bangladesh
^ Story of a Martyred Intellectual of 71’s war
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^ Debasish Roy Chowdhury 'Indians are bastards anyway' in Asia Times 23 June 2005 "In Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape, Susan Brownmiller likens it to the Japanese rapes in Nanjing and German rapes in Russia during World War II. "... 200,000, 300,000 or possibly 400,000 women (three sets of statistics have been variously quoted) were raped.""
^ Brownmiller, Susan, "Against Our Will: Men, Women, and Rape" ISBN 0-449-90820-8, page 81
^ Hamoodur Rahman Commission, Chapter 2, Paragraphs 32,34
^ GlobalWeb post, 1975 published reprint of extract from Susan Brownmiller's book
^ Mamoon, Muntassir; translation by Kushal Ibrahim (June 2000). The Vanquished Generals and the Liberation War of Bangladesh (First ed.). Somoy Prokashon. pp. 30. ISBN 984-458-210-5.
^ Sarmila Bose Anatomy of violence: An Analysis of Civil War in East Pakistan in 1971, later published in the Indian Journal, Economic and Political Weekly, issue 8 October 2005
^ Editorial [ New impartial evidence debunks 1971 rape allegations against Pakistan Army], Daily Times (Pakistan), 2 July 2005
^ Salma Khatun Sarmila Bose Rewrites history website of Drishtipat "A non-profit, non-political expatriate Bangladeshi organization ... registered public charity in the Unitied States."
^ S. Bose, 'Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War', Hust and Co, London, 2011, pg. 73, 122.
^ US State Department, "Foreign Relations of the United States, 1969-1976", Volume XI, South Asia Crisis, 1971", Page 165
^ Kennedy, Senator Edward, "Crisis in South Asia - A report to the Subcommittee investigating the Problem of Refugees and Their Settlement, Submitted to U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee", November 1, 1971, U.S. Govt. Press, page 66. Sen. Kennedy wrote, "Field reports to the U.S. Government, countless eye-witness journalistic accounts, reports of International agencies such as World Bank and additional information available to the subcommittee document the reign of terror which grips East Bengal (East Pakistan). Hardest hit have been members of the Hindu community who have been robbed of their lands and shops, systematically slaughtered, and in some places, painted with yellow patches marked 'H'. All of this has been officially sanctioned, ordered and implemented under martial law from Islamabad."
^ "The Government's policy for East Bengal was spelled out to me in the Eastern Command headquarters at Dacca. It has three elements: 1. The Bengalis have proved themselves unreliable and must be ruled by West Pakistanis; 2. The Bengalis will have to be re-educated along proper Islamic lines. The - Islamization of the masses - this is the official jargon - is intended to eliminate secessionist tendencies and provide a strong religious bond with West Pakistan; 3. When the Hindus have been eliminated by death and fight, their property will be used as a golden carrot to win over the under privileged Muslim middle-class. This will provide the base for erecting administrative and political structures in the future." Peter Hazelhurst (13 June 1971). "Dwindling flow of refugees suggests West Bengal border has been closed". The Times of London.
^ BANGLADESH: A BENGALI ABBASI LURKING SOMEWHERE? South Asia Analysis Group - April 23, 2001
^ DEATH BY GOVERNMENT, By R.J. Rummel New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1994 [2]
^ Democide estimates for the Bangladesh War [3]
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^ ICJ EAST PAKISTAN 1971 REPORT, supra note 5, at 44–45, quoted in S. Linton,Criminal Law Forum (2010), p. 205.
^ H. Stanhope, 'Mukti Bahini Bayonet Prisoners After Prayers, The Times, December 20, 1971, pg. 4.
^ INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION OF JURISTS, THE EVENTS IN PAKISTAN: A LEGAL STUDY BY THE SECRETARIAT OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION OF JURISTS 9 (1972)
^ Editorial The Jamaat Talks Backin The Bangladesh Observer December 30, 2005. Accessed 2009-05-25. Archived 2009-05-28.
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^ INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION OF JURISTS, THE EVENTS IN PAKISTAN: A LEGAL STUDY BY THE SECRETARIAT OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION OF JURISTS 9 (1972), p. 57.
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Still don't believe me, or rather all these people???

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I dont know what the "moderators" of this "Pakistan (?!) defence forum" are doing! they should immediately ban everyone, especially indians, mentioning the 3 million figure and and should delete all such threads....3,000,000! there were 55,000 regular in EP (east pakistan) in 32 battalions each with a rifle strength of roughly 400 = less than 13,000 riflemen; even if we dragoon personnel form other arms, no more than 15,000 riflemen could have been scrounged from this.
90 % percent of the dead bengalis were killed by indian army terrorists [disguised as muktis] and the muktis [ most of the active members of which were bengali hindus and WEST bengali hindus posing as east bengalis] ...
@ moderators -- what are you promoting here? bharati terrorist propoganda under the guise of free speech? this figure (3 million) is impossible under any circumstances --yes terrorist acts were commited by pakistanis but these were mniscule in number compared to bharati terror --- as I always said --try all terrorist sbut include indian army terrorists (including those who pplanned the terror operations) and the muktis who slaughtered pakistanis even after the surrender ......

What u guys were forgetting were, Army personnels with help of Jamaatis were responsible for Genocide...
But BD members here are generally Love their Jamaatis !!

 

[K-Xeroid]

Are you an idiot ??or Blind?? Why would India kill their own immigrated people(even Biharis)??
We have always displayed a high regard for NRI's and cherished them as our own...........

.
First of all , Keep your personal attacks for yourselves, Awami league is an indian centeric party and Mukti bihani was an indian backed group, their are hundreds of documentations have been released, even Bangladeshis think same, Those all non bangali were killed by Bihani ,and India is equally responsible cuz you weaponized them, this proved M.Bihani a terrorist group and someone had to react against them.

We supported Awami league due to Immigrant crisis in India after this happened............

due to Immigrant crisis? Man! So you are saying that you supported terrorism for immigrants and it is legal at than? shows that who started that terrorism scenario had been all started by Indian forces.

 

[Bobby]

Wow...Not even single Bangladeshi has respond to this thread...interesting....

 

[Shivani Malhotra]

I have not gone through any of the post but trust me I can summarize it. He is on payroll of RAW,CIA,MOSSAD,Black Water & Mi5.Pakistan does not have place have place for traitors and he should be kicked out.He is among the people like Zardari and Gilani.Muslims can never do anything against humanity and that too against muslim brothers.He is speaking what his masters want him to speak.He is such a scumbag that he loose his dignity for the sake of few dollars.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Wow...Not even single Bangladeshi has respond to this thread...interesting....

The thread have indicted their saviours They cant face the truth or face us here
They will come and call propaganda again and run off

 

[manofwar]

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First of all , Keep your personal attacks for yourselves, Awami league is an indian centeric party and Mukti bihani was an indian backed group, their are hundreds of documentations have been released, even Bangladeshis think same, Those all non bangali were killed by Bihani ,and India is equally responsible cuz you weaponized them, this proved M.Bihani a terrorist group and someone had to react against them.

due to Immigrant crisis? Man! So you are saying that you supported terrorism for immigrants and it is legal at than? shows that who started that terrorism scenario had been all started by Indian forces.

We supported some people who had killed 50,000 against whom an astounding 3 million genocide had been been conducted...........
We were between a rock and a hard place..............The choice is obvious(you do the math)

 

[K-Xeroid]

I have not gone through any of the post but trust me I can summarize it. He is on payroll of RAW,CIA,MOSSAD,Black Water & Mi5.Pakistan does not have place have place for traitors and he should be kicked out.He is among the people like Zardari and Gilani.Muslims can never do anything against humanity and that too against muslim brothers.He is speaking what his masters want him to speak.He is such a scumbag that he loose his dignity for the sake of few dollars.

Are you in an ultimate shock, Is it something personnal happened with you?

We supported some people who had killed 50,000 against whom an astounding 3 million genocide had been been conducted...........
We were between a rock and a hard place..............The choice is obvious(you do the math)

Man! Total killings were of 3 millions , 150,000 were non-bengalis killed by bihani, and Operation Searchlight situation came when nationalist started targeting non-bengalis(means that extreme action was taken before our army's reaction) . and then watever sources you had given related to articles on Genocide is extremly one sided , Haven't included any killing of non-bengalis, an analysis on such cases can't considered analysis when it is not rational. don't includes the opinion of both sides,

 

[karan.1970]

India was the third party, played the saviour card in what in essence was Pakistan's internal matter. Besides the Indians intention and interest in this thread is no rocket science either.

I am talking about the thread mate.. Not the war of 1971...

My reply was to the member who is of opinion that the matter has ended, besides do enlighten me if Bangladeshi being boot licker or Pakistani false flaggers is also the psyche of the topic. ?? !!

Cant comment on the bootlicker comment since I didnt make that comment (not my type of comment anyway ), but the other comment is still within the ambit of BD and Pakistan..

 

[Bobby]

The thread have indicted their saviours They cant face the truth or face us here
They will come and call propaganda again and run off

I dont think they can call it propaganda also..

They can not swallow this truth nor they can spit it ...that's why they decided to stay away

 

[Vinod2070]

Those in denial will probably find a way to remain in denial.

 

[K-Xeroid]

Those in denial will probably find a way to remain in denial.

Exactly Mate! I'm agreed with you, Those are in denial will remain in denial about this.

R J Rummel estimated that 150,000 non-Bengals were massacred by Awami League aligned militias, with a low estimate of 50,000 and a high estimate of 500,000.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I don't really understand how he could bring a little army to current Bangladesh and start killing and raping millions of people and women.

Didn't Bangladesh have a army as well?

well said

this plan and the book plot might have come during his visit to the bathroom
at his age strange ideas do come to people