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I happen to watch Pakistan news a lot, mostly as its more interesting than India. There is a lot happening in Pakistan every day than India. In India its so calm(talking strictly about politics) unless there is something outrageous happen with Pakistan, otherwise it is all dull and boring, even politics is boring.


There was an interesting time when Kejriwal was fighting Delhi election, those 6-8 months during the election and his government could be the most entertaining times for politics in India in the recent history. Everyday new tantrum, threat, theatrics, he was ruling the media. This all coupled with social media Twitter trends and forged photoshoped pics made it a good circus. But now his theatrics are old, beside that his loud mouth targeting of Modi and stopping new lows made it all dull again. From a good IIT educated IRS lad, he branded himself to be a cheap "sadak chap" bigot, who will go any lengths to get few minutes of airtime. Indian politics is becoming dull again unless our Rahul baba do something funny.


Enough about India, I would like to take my discussion to a serious topic of Terrorism in Pakistan. One thing I happen to observe in recent months after every terror attack is the insensitive attitude of Pak politicians and media. I am not talking about playing heavy background music and showing the family members of deceased to get more TRP even if it require selling those real tears, its media, that's how they do it. But I am talking about the role of media and politicians to make the government/establishment accountable.

The cycle after every attack is:
The news channels break it, reporters rush to the site and report. All day panelists are called for analysis, Photo ops by established figures are covered, pompous statements are released, sometimes copy-paste of previous statements. By the time it hits the prime time slot its reduced to 10-15 minutes of coverage and the next day just a news or two.


After Lahore Bombing this year which took 70+ lives, the same pattern was repeated, the news died in 1-2 days and its business as usual after that.

After Quetta Bomb Blast in August that took 70+ lives the news barely made it to prime time coverage.

After Quetta Police academy which took 60 lives the news can't stand even 12 hours before politics started to get more coverage.

Safoora Goath and other incidents in which 20+ lives were lost cant even make it to the evening before the news related to some Zardari, Altaf, Imran, Nawaz took over the TV.


60 bodies, 70 bodies is a big number, actually, it is so big that govt. can't even arrange for proper govt. transport to carry those bodies. But yet within few hours after the incident, the news of Dharna or something else were given more preference to this particular incident.

There were some serious questions about this incident which deceased families have:
1) Why the wall, even after the sanction of CM was not built.
2) Why Cadets were stopped and some recalled after passing out parade.
3) Why so improper security arrangements were made.

But all these questions were not asked with the force they needed to be asked. They were asked once or twice in talk shows to some analysts instead of govt. as a result govt. just escaped answering them.


Now if we compare this to Indian media, they were butchering govt. Even if the number is just 2 bodies the govt is thrashed for days unless they take some steps which they are not willing to take otherwise. It's strange in Pakistan that media just don't pursue those question vigorously and what surprises me most is the opposition. Which included the messiah Imran Khan, he too contribute in changing the topic by inserting himself and making a new issue about himself out of the terrorist attack.

My questions are:
Why is Pakistani media so casual about bodies that they forget about that incident in 3 days and that incident is not mentioned again unless there is a new attack?

How did those politicians, any of them, get succefull to change the narrative of attack from accountability to politics about something else?

Is 20 or 60 lives so small number or Pak people are so used to it that they call it just a bad day and move on? Why that anger is not translated into protest? Is it the fatigue of carrying dead bodies? :(

Its a very sad situation and my heart goes out to all those who lost their lives but I dont think anything has changed even after APS, infact people now care less and less with every passing day new attack (or atleast it look like so). The thread does not intent to hurt anyones feeling, if it does so I apologize upfront.
 
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I happen to watch Pakistan news a lot, mostly as its more interesting than India. There is a lot happening in Pakistan every day than India. In India its so calm(talking strictly about politics) unless there is something outrageous happen with Pakistan, otherwise it is all dull and boring, even politics is boring.


There was an interesting time when Kejriwal was fighting Delhi election, those 6-8 months during the election and his government could be the most entertaining times for politics in India in the recent history. Everyday new tantrum, threat, theatrics, he was ruling the media. This all coupled with social media Twitter trends and forged photoshoped pics made it a good circus. But now his theatrics are old, beside that his loud mouth targeting of Modi and stopping new lows made it all dull again. From a good IIT educated IRS lad, he branded himself to be a cheap "sadak chap" bigot, who will go any lengths to get few minutes of airtime. Indian politics is becoming dull again unless our Rahul baba do something funny.


Enough about India, I would like to take my discussion to a serious topic of Terrorism in Pakistan. One thing I happen to observe in recent months after every terror attack is the insensitive attitude of Pak politicians and media. I am not talking about playing heavy background music and showing the family members of deceased to get more TRP even if it require selling those real tears, its media, that's how they do it. But I am talking about the role of media and politicians to make the government/establishment accountable.

The cycle after every attack is:
The news channels break it, reporters rush to the site and report. All day panelists are called for analysis, Photo ops by established figures are covered, pompous statements are released, sometimes copy-paste of previous statements. By the time it hits the prime time slot its reduced to 10-15 minutes of coverage and the next day just a news or two.


After Lahore Bombing this year which took 70+ lives, the same pattern was repeated, the news died in 1-2 days and its business as usual after that.

After Quetta Bomb Blast in August that took 70+ lives the news barely made it to prime time coverage.

After Quetta Police academy which took 60 lives the news can't stand even 12 hours before politics started to get more coverage.

Safoora Goath and other incidents in which 20+ lives were lost cant even make it to the evening before the news related to some Zardari, Altaf, Imran, Nawaz took over the TV.


60 bodies, 70 bodies is a big number, actually, it is so big that govt. can't even arrange for proper govt. transport to carry those bodies. But yet within few hours after the incident, the news of Dharna or something else were given more preference to this particular incident.

There were some serious questions about this incident which deceased families have:
1) Why the wall, even after the sanction of CM was not built.
2) Why Cadets were stopped and some recalled after passing out parade.
3) Why so improper security arrangements were made.

But all these questions were not asked with the force they needed to be asked. They were asked once or twice in talk shows to some analysts instead of govt. as a result govt. just escaped answering them.


Now if we compare this to Indian media, they were butchering govt. Even if the number is just 2 bodies the govt is thrashed for days unless they take some steps which they are not willing to take otherwise. It's strange in Pakistan that media just don't pursue those question vigorously and what surprises me most is the opposition. Which included the messiah Imran Khan, he too contribute in changing the topic by inserting himself and making a new issue about himself out of the terrorist attack.

My questions are:
Why is Pakistani media so casual about bodies that they forget about that incident in 3 days and that incident is not mentioned again unless there is a new attack?

How did those politicians, any of them, get succefull to change the narrative of attack from accountability to politics about something else?

Is 20 or 60 lives so small number or Pak people are so used to it that they call it just a bad day and move on? Why that anger is not translated into protest? Is it the fatigue of carrying dead bodies? :(

Its a very sad situation and my heart goes out to all those who lost their lives but I dont think anything has changed even after APS, infact people now care less and less with every passing day new attack (or atleast it look like so). The thread does not intent to hurt anyones feeling, if it does so I apologize upfront
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1) You are right ...Pakistani Media is just after TRP and there commercial interest . Recent examples are of Security guard and chai wala, almost covered by every channel most of the time. Every channel has its own favorite and toe a specific line for e.g GEO (PML N), ARY (PTI) and then rest . Just 60 days before more than 70 lawyers died in same city and nobody follow up after that and now the same will be repeated.

2) Nothing has changed . Political parties (including the one in government and in opposition) consider national security/terrorism as secondary to there political interest. Can you imagine someone in india holding the highest post in Province with the opinion that I don't accept India and the party members attend functions to break India ? This is going on in Pakistan just because the same party supports the government .

3) Terrorism is going on since 2001 , but majority thinks that it happening to save Nawaz Sharif ( although he is responsible whatever happening due to his inability to take decisions). As if Nawaz sharif is removed and everything will be fine as there was no blast in Musharaf and Zardari era. Again since political interest is more important than terrrosim because terrorism does not effect this Elite of Pakistan. One of the worst and selfish political elite we have from last 40 to 50 years in form of Nawaz and PPP.

4) NAP was made after APS attack to handle this snake of terrorism but again all the point related to Army has been done and whatever government has to do has not been touched until now.Actually , our political elite does not have stakes inside Pakistan in term of business , properties and kids everything is out of Pakistan.

5) IG Baluchistan has submitted a proposal to government for having a high walls around academy since one month but nothing happened as priorities are different. Heck, even Security forces did a survey and suggest government to please put a lights area so that we can move around but nothing happened.

Peace whatever we see now a days in Pakistan is just attributed to Army with ZERO contribution from government (includes all parties).
 
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2) Nothing has changed . Political parties (including the one in government and in opposition) consider national security/terrorism as secondary to there political interest. Can you imagine someone in india holding the highest post in Province with the opinion that I don't accept India and the party members attend functions to break India ? This is going on in Pakistan just because the same party supports the government .

I think you are talking about Asfandiyar Wali. "Majority is might" is a problem inherited in democracy. Be it uniting for hating a country or hating another community or caste. This led to heavy caste based groups in India and at many places divided along communal lines which is even more dangerous.

3) Terrorism is going on since 2001 , but majority thinks that it happening to save Nawaz Sharif ( although he is responsible whatever happening due to his inability to take decisions).

Again agreed 100%. He should resign and sit back home if he is not in control of things.

4) NAP was made after APS attack to handle this snake of terrorism but again all the point related to Army has been done and whatever government has to do has not been touched until now.

Well your army is not saint either, but they cant afford to be saint anymore I guess. Terrorism will not solve till India and Pakistan are at peace with each other.

There is a popular thinking in Pakistan to throw out Afghan refugees and seal the border completely. Well Afghanistan is your 3rd largest consumer so its not just an export loss but even if you seal the border what will happen.

1) You cant seal the border 100% due to terrain issues, the best you can do is put laser detectors.
2) You cant guard or patrol border all 24 hours a day as it will require heavy expenses.
3) Even if you do what I said above you still cant stop infiltration. Why?

India put big army and paramilitary to secure border, along with fencing and state of the art digital detectors. They got multi-layered security check point to check the infiltration and even after that some terrorists do sneak in. So even after you waste huge money (almost doubling your current defense budget) to seal and monitor the border you still cant stop the militants entering Pakistan.

So unless both countries came to peace somehow miraculously I dont see any NAP or any other thing being successful anytime.
 
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I think you are talking about Asfandiyar Wali. "Majority is might" is a problem inherited in democracy. Be it uniting for hating a country or hating another community or caste. This led to heavy caste based groups in India and at many places divided along communal lines which is even more dangerous.



Again agreed 100%. He should resign and sit back home if he is not in control of things.



Well your army is not saint either, but they cant afford to be saint anymore I guess. Terrorism will not solve till India and Pakistan are at peace with each other.

There is a popular thinking in Pakistan to throw out Afghan refugees and seal the border completely. Well Afghanistan is your 3rd largest consumer so its not just an export loss but even if you seal the border what will happen.

1) You cant seal the border 100% due to terrain issues, the best you can do is put laser detectors.
2) You cant guard or patrol border all 24 hours a day as it will require heavy expenses.
3) Even if you do what I said above you still cant stop infiltration. Why?

India put big army and paramilitary to secure border, along with fencing and state of the art digital detectors. They got multi-layered security check point to check the infiltration and even after that some terrorists do sneak in. So even after you waste huge money (almost doubling your current defense budget) to seal and monitor the border you still cant stop the militants entering Pakistan.

So unless both countries came to peace somehow miraculously I dont see any NAP or any other thing being successful anytime.
Country has suffered from hideous acts of violence since the past 15 years. People in Pakistan have accepted that attacks will never cease no matter how much input has been given to security. The internal security is very weak. Police lack training and are not free from politics. Politicians only care about their wealth and overseas business.
 
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I think you are talking about Asfandiyar Wali. "Majority is might" is a problem inherited in democracy. Be it uniting for hating a country or hating another community or caste. This led to heavy caste based groups in India and at many places divided along communal lines which is even more dangerous.



Again agreed 100%. He should resign and sit back home if he is not in control of things.


Well your army is not saint either, but they cant afford to be saint anymore I guess. Terrorism will not solve till India and Pakistan are at peace with each other.

There is a popular thinking in Pakistan to throw out Afghan refugees and seal the border completely. Well Afghanistan is your 3rd largest consumer so its not just an export loss but even if you seal the border what will happen.

1) You cant seal the border 100% due to terrain issues, the best you can do is put laser detectors.
2) You cant guard or patrol border all 24 hours a day as it will require heavy expenses.
3) Even if you do what I said above you still cant stop infiltration. Why?

India put big army and paramilitary to secure border, along with fencing and state of the art digital detectors. They got multi-layered security check point to check the infiltration and even after that some terrorists do sneak in. So even after you waste huge money (almost doubling your current defense budget) to seal and monitor the border you still cant stop the militants entering Pakistan.

So unless both countries came to peace somehow miraculously I dont see any NAP or any other thing being successful anytime.
1) Actually i am talking about Achakzai and his Cronies. His brother is Governor of Baluchistan( directly appointed by Federal government) although not in majority. You are right about "majority is right ". MQM is another stigma we have due to this.

2) And he does not want to resign by hook or crook want to stick until next election.

3) Right , army is not supposed to be saint.

4)This refugee and border sealing is emotional outburst , it will not materialized and is not an eventual solution.

5)No doubt peace with India will ensure it but will not solve it until the peace is restored in Afghanistan also.
 
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Although I'm not a fan of any political party Imran Khans leadership is helping increasing a somewhat capable police force free from politics in KPK. He has the right mindset to spend funds, Nawaz only wants to build roads and remain quiet on international forums. Poor chap has a heart condition this is why he is unable to address important issues.
 
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He has the right mindset to spend funds,

Like giving taxpayers money to Taliban outfit? is that the right mindset to spend funds?


Poor chap has a heart condition this is why he is unable to address important issues.

Interestingly just today I came across a video about compassionate and brave heart Imran, its a small clip hope you watch that.


All hail the king! These petty savages don't even deserve to be looked at, such a brave man he is, isn't it?
 
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Although I'm not a fan of any political party Imran Khans leadership is helping increasing a somewhat capable police force free from politics in KPK. He has the right mindset to spend funds, Nawaz only wants to build roads and remain quiet on international forums. Poor chap has a heart condition this is why he is unable to address important issues.

You are right to some extent but "Mindset to spend finds", is this the only thing we need as nation now ?. Imran is much better than others but his views on TTP ?To the extent that he asked to let them open an office in Peshawar.He was against army operation and was forced to support it later on due to public support.
I believe in Imran Khan but somehow his recent behave is something i can't figure out, like blaming Indian and Israel agencies to save nawaz. Put blame when it is due but always politics ?
 
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Situation is not much different here either especially now when rss gov is at helm .... However by n large situation of peeling out the gov machinery by media in such attacks brings entire machinery into actions, nothing else, rest all get politicized heavily.....
 
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I happen to watch Pakistan news a lot, mostly as its more interesting than India. There is a lot happening in Pakistan every day than India. In India its so calm(talking strictly about politics) unless there is something outrageous happen with Pakistan, otherwise it is all dull and boring, even politics is boring.


There was an interesting time when Kejriwal was fighting Delhi election, those 6-8 months during the election and his government could be the most entertaining times for politics in India in the recent history. Everyday new tantrum, threat, theatrics, he was ruling the media. This all coupled with social media Twitter trends and forged photoshoped pics made it a good circus. But now his theatrics are old, beside that his loud mouth targeting of Modi and stopping new lows made it all dull again. From a good IIT educated IRS lad, he branded himself to be a cheap "sadak chap" bigot, who will go any lengths to get few minutes of airtime. Indian politics is becoming dull again unless our Rahul baba do something funny.


Enough about India, I would like to take my discussion to a serious topic of Terrorism in Pakistan. One thing I happen to observe in recent months after every terror attack is the insensitive attitude of Pak politicians and media. I am not talking about playing heavy background music and showing the family members of deceased to get more TRP even if it require selling those real tears, its media, that's how they do it. But I am talking about the role of media and politicians to make the government/establishment accountable.

The cycle after every attack is:
The news channels break it, reporters rush to the site and report. All day panelists are called for analysis, Photo ops by established figures are covered, pompous statements are released, sometimes copy-paste of previous statements. By the time it hits the prime time slot its reduced to 10-15 minutes of coverage and the next day just a news or two.


After Lahore Bombing this year which took 70+ lives, the same pattern was repeated, the news died in 1-2 days and its business as usual after that.

After Quetta Bomb Blast in August that took 70+ lives the news barely made it to prime time coverage.

After Quetta Police academy which took 60 lives the news can't stand even 12 hours before politics started to get more coverage.

Safoora Goath and other incidents in which 20+ lives were lost cant even make it to the evening before the news related to some Zardari, Altaf, Imran, Nawaz took over the TV.


60 bodies, 70 bodies is a big number, actually, it is so big that govt. can't even arrange for proper govt. transport to carry those bodies. But yet within few hours after the incident, the news of Dharna or something else were given more preference to this particular incident.

There were some serious questions about this incident which deceased families have:
1) Why the wall, even after the sanction of CM was not built.
2) Why Cadets were stopped and some recalled after passing out parade.
3) Why so improper security arrangements were made.

But all these questions were not asked with the force they needed to be asked. They were asked once or twice in talk shows to some analysts instead of govt. as a result govt. just escaped answering them.


Now if we compare this to Indian media, they were butchering govt. Even if the number is just 2 bodies the govt is thrashed for days unless they take some steps which they are not willing to take otherwise. It's strange in Pakistan that media just don't pursue those question vigorously and what surprises me most is the opposition. Which included the messiah Imran Khan, he too contribute in changing the topic by inserting himself and making a new issue about himself out of the terrorist attack.

My questions are:
Why is Pakistani media so casual about bodies that they forget about that incident in 3 days and that incident is not mentioned again unless there is a new attack?

How did those politicians, any of them, get succefull to change the narrative of attack from accountability to politics about something else?

Is 20 or 60 lives so small number or Pak people are so used to it that they call it just a bad day and move on? Why that anger is not translated into protest? Is it the fatigue of carrying dead bodies? :(

Its a very sad situation and my heart goes out to all those who lost their lives but I dont think anything has changed even after APS, infact people now care less and less with every passing day new attack (or atleast it look like so). The thread does not intent to hurt anyones feeling, if it does so I apologize upfront.
These are daring questions and to be honest every sane pakistani thinks of that . Unfortunately most of the media is what I would call "Paid" for giving coverage to certain political parties and even when they are reporting they take it so lightly. Considering these recent blasts, I overheard on a media channel "Kia ubhi jo dhmaka hua wo bohat zordaar tha kitna nuqsan hua ho ga?" I mean I had just tuned into the online news and was wearing headphones, it banged so loud that even I felt it and just had this wish that everyone was safe. Media is reckless and insensitive and I fear people have become immune to them :(
 
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My questions are:
Why is Pakistani media so casual about bodies that they forget about that incident in 3 days and that incident is not mentioned again unless there is a new attack?

How did those politicians, any of them, get succefull to change the narrative of attack from accountability to politics about something else?

Is 20 or 60 lives so small number or Pak people are so used to it that they call it just a bad day and move on? Why that anger is not translated into protest? Is it the fatigue of carrying dead bodies? :(

Its a very sad situation and my heart goes out to all those who lost their lives but I dont think anything has changed even after APS, infact people now care less and less with every passing day new attack (or atleast it look like so). The thread does not intent to hurt anyones feeling, if it does so I apologize upfront.

Media is gonna be media my friend. They need something new everyday to keep people glued to their TV screens. I'd suggest you watch some decent TV channel / show like the ones on Dawn.

Regarding accountability, politicians can issue all the statements they want. Everyone knows who is responsible.

And you seem to know nothing if you think nothing has changed after APS. Keep watching :)
 
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Spending money at a religious seminary is not wrong as long as it is not used for the correct purpose for education which obviously should be monitored. BJP? Political wing of a far right Hindu nationalists?

Like giving taxpayers money to Taliban outfit? is that the right mindset to spend funds? Hmmm Imran must have something in common with Modis BJP right wings. Might be worth a read http://thelondonpost.net/corruption-is-root-cause-of-all-ailments-pakistan/




Interestingly just today I came across a video about compassionate and brave heart Imran, its a small clip hope you watch that.


All hail the king! These petty savages don't even deserve to be looked at, such a brave man he is, isn't it?

You are right to some extent but "Mindset to spend finds", is this the only thing we need as nation now ?. Imran is much better than others but his views on TTP ?To the extent that he asked to let them open an office in Peshawar.He was against army operation and was forced to support it later on due to public support.
I believe in Imran Khan but somehow his recent behave is something i can't figure out, like blaming Indian and Israel agencies to save nawaz. Put blame when it is due but always politics ?
Worth a read http://thelondonpost.net/corruption-is-root-cause-of-all-ailments-pakistan/
 
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Spending money at a religious seminary is not wrong as long as it is not used for the correct purpose for education which obviously should be monitored.

Religious seminary!!! You know who the alumni of that seminary are? Here is a list of prominent scholars:

  • Jalaluddin Haqqani, leader of the Haqqani Network.
  • Asim Umar, leader of Al-Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent.
  • Akhtar Mansoor, former leader of the Taliban.
  • Mullah Omar, the former leader of the Taliban, received an honorary doctorate.
BJP? Political wing of a far right Hindu nationalists?
Your point being? Is it unusual to see a right wing party? Well surprise, this is the season for right wingers all around the world.
 
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