PAF's possible answer to MRCA

[majesticpankaj]

eurofighter came in trenches, rafale's initial batch was for a2a and not specialized to a2g at the beginning ,by the same token j10 has come as j10, j10a,and now j10b -- so by saying j10 is not operational is hogwash

Let me ask you a direct question --- IS FC-20 operational in PLAAF not talking about j10 and j10a.

Current config of Rafale and typhoon are better than SH_18 and F-16 blk 60 with AESA

 

[abdulbarijan]

come on mate --- MCRA is already a established platform -- many airforces around the world using it -- there is no issues with the compability of system-- you are not assembling a PC. let the first operational FC-20 gets induct in PLAAF.

The point I want to make is MCRA will be decided in few month and we will surely have the possession of her in 2015 but can we say the same thing regarding FC_20. NO -- why ?

U have ran out of reasons the fact is how do you consider EF-2000 , Rafale established platforms while Supposedly J-10 is not...PLAAF operates J-10's in No.
Now I know you will go like you always have that only prototypes are there of FC-20
let me ask u this what is
FC-20 ----An upgraded J-10
Is J-10 in service ---Yes
FC-20---No
Indian specific MMRCA EF-2000/Rafale----Upgraded models of EF-2000 and rafale
Are EF-2000 and rafale operational---yes
are indian specific MMRCA operational----NO...

 

[SQ8]

As i stated so many times --- let it get first inducted in PLAAF

But I would like to know how can you say that FC-20 will be inducted in PAF within a specified time frame (whatever it is) with SURETY

Till the august of 2003.. no one was sure that the Jf-17 would even fly..
No one was sure of a MAR-1 purchase till the C-130's carrying the first lot arrived and the PAF gave the go ahead to Mectron to publish the news.
This is Pakistan, I can tell you with SURETY that we can NEVER be SURE about military purchases or activities in Pakistan.
There is a LOT more happening, than the FC-20 and JF-17.. But that will never be said, or revealed till appropriate.
The IAF probably knows.. or they dont.. either way.. only time will tell.

 

[MilSpec]

Yet its best not to underestimate, it is a good omen that the PAF has had its time with MMRCA contenders. Ironically, those that the PAF had no idea about considering their flight characteristics and known abilities were eliminated(F-18SH,Mig-35).

SO paf knows the abilities of rafales because they flew in exercise with them... but then you have had several exercises with USAF too.. so i am guessing PAF knows everything about american inventory tooo... so we had limited choice.. PAF seems to be cognizant of every euro pen/american platform available .. hence we had to go with the ones that just might have the tiny chance of maybe beating a f16 in the future as according to many experts here we do not posses that capability due to our poor piloting skills and large rcs...

What would be a healthy number of FC 20's that PAF might field towards countering MMRCA...

 

[majesticpankaj]

U have ran out of reasons the fact is how do you consider EF-2000 , Rafale established platforms while Supposedly J-10 is not...PLAAF operates J-10's in No.
Now I know you will go like you always have that only prototypes are there of FC-20
let me ask u this what is
FC-20 ----An upgraded J-10
Is J-10 in service ---Yes
FC-20---No
Indian specific MMRCA EF-2000/Rafale----Upgraded models of EF-2000 and rafale
Are EF-2000 and rafale operational---yes
are indian specific MMRCA operational----NO...

Buddy-- the point that I want to make is

Development of Typhoon and Rafale are well ahead of FC-20
India specific changes will be ready by 2014 -- why you think that we will be getting the delivery so late ?
and current config of both of them are way ahead of even american jets. You should appreciate the facts

 

[VSS]

JF 17 can't match MRCA. This fighter comes with certain shortcomings that can't be sorted out by upgrades. JF 17 is good enough for certain duties but taking on MRCA in A2A is different ball game. Its good to be optimistic but in matter of defense you should have realistic approach.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Till the august of 2003.. no one was sure that the Jf-17 would even fly..
No one was sure of a MAR-1 purchase till the C-130's carrying the first lot arrived and the PAF gave the go ahead to Mectron to publish the news.
This is Pakistan, I can tell you with SURETY that we can NEVER be SURE about military purchases or activities in Pakistan.
There is a LOT more happening, than the FC-20 and JF-17.. But that will never be said, or revealed till appropriate.
The IAF probably knows.. or they dont.. either way.. only time will tell.

I have to rest my case as your assumptions are based on speculations nothing concrete.
If one believes what you are saying let us tell the options that you have apart from j10 b and jf-17 -- thanks

One more thing if you believe that Pakistan knows the inside out of Typhoon and Rafale by the same logic we know all about F-16 over which we had done extensive evaluation even the better one that you have.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Let me ask you a direct question --- IS FC-20 operational in PLAAF not talking about j10 and j10a.

Current config of Rafale and typhoon are better than SH_18 and F-16 blk 60 with AESA

fc 20 is an export version for paf

 

[majesticpankaj]

fc 20 is an export version for paf

sorry...I meant j10 b

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistan should never ever show off her purchases to the world like india..... let them underestimate us.... But unfortunately alot of newbie morons come n leak out stuff... like tht guys who revealed abt nuclear capable submarines,c-602,MAR-1,A-100 etc etc.... things should remain hidden... it adds to the element... as Chuck noris say..."the element of surprise"..

 

[SQ8]

I have to rest my case as your assumptions are based on speculations nothing concrete.
If one believes what you are saying let us tell the options that you have apart from j10 b and jf-17 -- thanks

One more thing if you believe that Pakistan knows the inside out of Typhoon and Rafale by the same logic we know all about F-16 over which we had done extensive evaluation even the better one that you have.

Assumptions for you, concrete for me.. I agree that we disagree.
Move on.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Pakistan should never ever show off her purchases to the world like india..... let them underestimate us.... But unfortunately alot of newbie morons come n leak out stuff... like tht guys who revealed abt nuclear capable submarines,c-602,MAR-1,A-100 etc etc.... things should remain hidden... it adds to the element... as Chuck noris say..."the element of surprise"..

the same can be said about India, russia and israel cooperation

 

[GURU DUTT]

Assumptions for you, concrete for me.. I agree that we disagree.
Move on.

My Kind Senior SIR ,

Sorry being off topic but why did you deleated my posts & not answerd then ,thanks .

 

[abdulbarijan]

Buddy-- the point that I want to make is

Development of Typhoon and Rafale are well ahead of FC-20
India specific changes will be ready by 2014 -- why you think that we will be getting the delivery so late ?
and current config of both of them are way ahead of even american jets. You should appreciate the facts

sorry to bust your bubble but the production of J-10B is likely to start by the end of this year
while your changes will be ready by 2014..We have evaluated Rafale,we have trained against the EF-2000 in anatolian eagle...we have some idea of the capabilities of your future jets...
And I appreciate the facts no doubt EF-2000 and rafale are excellent platforms
but dont count us out just yet..who would have thought that JFT dubbed by some as a simple replacement for F-7's would turn out to be something it is today...
U should expect the same for FC-20 ... It will be the best platform we will have and thats it

 

[Windjammer]

Yet its best not to underestimate, it is a good omen that the PAF has had its time with MMRCA contenders. Ironically, those that the PAF had no idea about considering their flight characteristics and known abilities were eliminated(F-18SH,Mig-35).

Blessing in disguise i would say, PAF was fortunate to check out both the EF and Rafael...in fact gave the EF a good run for whatever it's worth, we also have the Saudi connection. Rafael, albeit looks the works but Being a launch customer for a new system must be difficult, even the Grippen would have been unknown territory to the PAF.