PAF's possible answer to MRCA

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So convenient for you to say get this and get that. Having no idea of basic economics and manufacturing field.
The 36 J-10 comes in from 2014 at the earliest.
How is PAF going to sustain these numbers you state economically .

the initial order is for 54 jets.... 36 ordered in 2006... 1 more sqd ordererd this year... with the first delivery in late 2012 or 2013.

 

[DARKY]

THE FUTURE.

More than enough.

Yes No body is talking about this baby... by the time the 1st two squadrons of J-10B of PAF is operational this baby would be taking its 1st breath in subcontinental air as the 1st 5th gen. fighter plan in the region.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Yes No body is talking about this baby... by the time the 1st two squadrons of J-10B of PAF is operational this baby would be taking its 1st breath in subcontinental air as the 1st 5th gen. fighter plan in the region.

You mean by 2013? i doubt tht.... even lca would be inducted after 2015... or maybe 2017.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You mean by 2013? i doubt tht.... even lca would be inducted after 2015... or maybe 2017.

are you sure...?

 

[karan.1970]

I think we all know 2011 , 90 JF17 Thunder already announced 40 plus 50 confirmed

40 Thunder 2012
40 Thunder 2013
40 Thunder 2014
40 Thudner 2015

As for J10B 36 plus OPTIONS ... yes we do have OPTION !!! for 150

Ask yourself have we ever bought something from China and not ordered MORE ... I mean really

REALLY ... ask yourself

F7 , Al Khalids , Kalid 2 , K2 , Thunders ...starts with small number and then the real meal

Appitizer then the full course meal

90 thunders by end of 2011.. You are dreaming buddy ... Will be surprised if it even hits 50..

And it wont be more than 20-24 per year from 2012.. And thats a tough ask as well

 

[DARKY]

You mean by 2013? i doubt tht.... even lca would be inducted after 2015... or maybe 2017.

2017 is what I meant... J-10B would be available for PLAAF by 2014... I doubt that they'll export then in significant numbers before gaining sufficient strength themselves... and looking at the level of old Junk in their fleet... the possibility of gaining a squadron strength of J-10B in PAF is no way near 2015 even.

 

[Shinigami]

1. Rohini Radar

The Central Acquisition Radar (3D-CAR) is a 3D radar developed by DRDO for use with Akash SAM. The 3D CAR was developed as part of a program between DRDO and Poland's PIT to develop a family of mobile, S-Band 3D radars.

The areas of cooperation were in developing the Planar Array and general architecture. The Indian variant is the 3D CAR, a medium range surveillance radar for Akash at Group level, intended to provide high mobility and comprehensive high and low level coverage. The Polish versions, are the TRS series of S Band mobile radars such as the TRS-17 and TRS-19. The original Indian (3D CAR) and Polish (TRS 17) radars shared the basic architecture and antenna but differed in terms of purpose designed transmitter/receivers, and signal processing equipment. The TRS series for instance can track 120 targets, while the Indian radar tracks 150.

2. Rajendra Radar

The Rajendra Multi-Function Phased Array radar system, designed at the Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (LRDE), part of DRDO, is currently in production at Bharat Electronics Limited. This is named after India's First president Dr. Rajendra Prasad.

The LRDE is working on the Rajendra III radar for the Indian Army.[1] Rajendra III is a slewable phased array radar based on the T-72 chassis. As of 2007, the BLR-III vehicle on T-72 chasis was ready for a track test. The Phased array antenna is fabricated at Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL), Ghaziabad. Collimated beam pattern and s/s cure for all 16 spot frequencies has been taken.

Current orders for the Rajendra and its derivatives are at least 32 units, considering the order for 2 Squadrons of the Akash system by the Indian Air force and the indent for 28 Weapon Locating Radars by the Indian Army.

3. The Indra Radar

The Indian Doppler Radar (INDRA) series of 2D radars were developed by India's DRDO for the Army and Air Force. The INDRA-I is a is a mobile surveillance radar for low level target detection while the INDRA-II is for ground controlled interception of targets.

INDRA-I is a 2D mobile surveillance radar for low level target detection. The radar is housed in two wheeled vehicles. Some of the main features are automated Track While Scan (TWS), integrated IFF and high scan rate for high speed target detection. The radar is produced by Bharat Electronics Limited and inducted into service. The INDRA-I was a landmark project for the DRDO, as it was the first large radar system designed by the organization and produced in number for the defence forces. The Indian Air Force operates thirty INDRA-I's whereas the Indian Army also has several.

INDRA-II

It is a variant of INDRA radar for ground controlled interception of targets. The radar uses pulse compression for detection of low flying aircraft in heavy ground clutter with high range resolution and ECCM capabilities. The radar has been produced by Bharat Electronics Limited and is used by Indian Air Force and Army. Seven INDRA-IIs have been ordered by the Indian Air Force.

4. Aerostat Radar

India has recently acquired Aerostat radars. The entire system is divided in major parts. Firstly, the aerostat balloon which has been acquired from Israel and second part is the payload on board the balloon which consists, advanced programmable radar (APR), Electronic Intelligence (ELINT), Communication Intelligence (COMINT) and V/UHF radio telephony equipment and Identification Friend or Foe (IFF). It has the capability to be integrated with AWACS and ground air defence environment and funtion as a command and control centre. Depending upon the payload the theethered balloon can be raised to the height between 10000 feet to 16000 feet.

The system gives a seamless radar cover of 300 km plus at low level along with good RT range and requisite ELINT. The system could be termed as static AWACS. Off course it comes with some vulnerabilities and limitations, like weather, wind speeds, lightning & thunder, launch & recovery periods are vulnerabilities. Its virtues also make it a prime target for enemy therfore it needs to be protected by exclusive air defence weapons. But we hope that the advantages of such system would outlast the limitations

5. GreenPine Radar

India has recently acquired Aerostat radars. The entire system is divided in major parts. Firstly, the aerostat balloon which has been acquired from Israel and second part is the payload on board the balloon which consists, advanced programmable radar (APR), Electronic Intelligence (ELINT), Communication Intelligence (COMINT) and V/UHF radio telephony equipment and Identification Friend or Foe (IFF). It has the capability to be integrated with AWACS and ground air defence environment and funtion as a command and control centre. Depending upon the payload the theethered balloon can be raised to the height between 10000 feet to 16000 feet. The system gives a seamless radar cover of 300 km plus at low level along with good RT range and requisite ELINT. The system could be termed as static AWACS. Off course it comes with some vulnerabilities and limitations, like weather, wind speeds, lightning & thunder, launch & recovery periods are vulnerabilities. Its virtues also make it a prime target for enemy therfore it needs to be protected by exclusive air defence weapons. But we hope that the advantages of such system would outlast the limitations

India had acquired and deployed two Green Pine radars around July 2002 and another one in August 2005.[33] The Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar of the Indian Defence Research and Development Organisation is an acknowledged derivative of the original Green Pine.[34]

The Indian government has sought to purchase the complete Arrow system since 1999,[3] but in early 2002 the U.S. vetoed Israel's request to sell the Arrow 2 missiles to India,[4][33] exercising its right as a major funding contributor.[35] U.S. officials argued that the sale would violate the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR).[

6. Sword Fish Radar

Swordfish is an Indian Long range tracking radar specifically developed to counter ballistic missile threat. It will be a part of India's ballistic missile program. First testing of this radar was in March 2009. Main aim of the test was to validate the capabilities of the indigenously developed Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR). "The missile to be hit will be fired from a longer distance than it was in the earlier test. DRDO tested whether the radar could track the incoming missile from that distance or not" said a member of the project.

Swordfish is an acknowledged derivative of the Israeli Green Pine long range radar, which is the critical component of that country's Arrow missile defence system. [1] However, it differs from the Israeli system as it employs Indian Transmit Receive modules, signal processing, computers and power supplies. It is also more powerful than the base Green Pine system and was developed to meet India's specific BMD needs.7. Indian Army : Weapon Locating Radars

actually india's most used form of data gathering is spy satellites.

i met someone in the indian navy who was employed to track ship movements in karachi 15 years ago

god knows what india has these days with all these spy satellites they are launching

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

2017 is what I meant... J-10B would be available for PLAAF by 2014... I doubt that they'll export then in significant numbers before gaining sufficient strength themselves... and looking at the level of old Junk in their fleet... the possibility of gaining a squadron strength of J-10B in PAF is no way near 2015 even.

J-10B or FC-1O is tailor made for PAF... Our eng n pilots r working n tested the platform as we speak.... while the confirmation of deliveries has been done by a CAC employee.

Abt their inventory they have around 200 J-10s in service as of now... 100 su-30s,190 J-11Bs--90 more on order,around 70 su-27s, plus the j-15s... etc.

Also not to forget the massive infra for production... abt JF-17...rate of induction is 50+ jets per year with PAC chunning out the same in a year or 2.... even now PAC is producing 50-53% of the part of JF-17.

 

[DARKY]

J-10B or FC-1O is tailor made for PAF... Our eng n pilots r working n tested the platform as we speak.... while the confirmation of deliveries has been done by a CAC employee.

Abt their inventory they have around 200 J-10s in service as of now... 100 su-30s,190 J-11Bs--90 more on order,around 70 su-27s, plus the j-15s... etc.

Also not to forget the massive infra for production... abt JF-17...rate of induction is 50+ jets per year with PAC chunning out the same in a year or 2.... even now PAC is producing 50-53% of the part of JF-17.

Its not 100 Su 30s.. and those are for PLAN not PLAAF And those are J-11s and J-11Bs combined J-15 Not yet inducted and whenever that will happen that would happen for PLAN not PLAAF... And their Su 27s are already old and need overhaul and upgradation in electronics and weaponry... aswell as avionics suit same goes for J-11 fleet (excluding J-11B).

At the same time they need to retire J-6, J-7, A-5 ground attack aircrafts and many other old 2nd and 3rd gen. aircrafts which still form the bulk of PLAAF and number in excess of 1000.

And care to name the employee who said that... or atleast provide the source for your employee information... I am sure if any such employee existed he/she would've been slaughtered by now by CCP.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Its not 100 Su 30s.. and those are for PLAN not PLAAF And those are J-11s and J-11Bs combined J-15 Not yet inducted and whenever that will happen that would happen for PLAN not PLAAF... And their Su 27s are already old and need overhaul and upgradation in electronics and weaponry... aswell as avionics suit same goes for J-11 fleet (excluding J-11B).

At the same time they need to retire J-6, J-7, A-5 ground attack aircrafts and many other old 2nd and 3rd gen. aircrafts which still form the bulk of PLAAF and number in excess of 1000.

And care to name the employee who said that... or atleast provide the source for your employee information... I am sure if any such employee existed he/she would've been slaughtered by now by CCP.

Go through the FC-20 MRCA thread.

 

[S10]

Its not 100 Su 30s.. and those are for PLAN not PLAAF And those are J-11s and J-11Bs combined J-15 Not yet inducted and whenever that will happen that would happen for PLAN not PLAAF... And their Su 27s are already old and need overhaul and upgradation in electronics and weaponry... aswell as avionics suit same goes for J-11 fleet (excluding J-11B).

At the same time they need to retire J-6, J-7, A-5 ground attack aircrafts and many other old 2nd and 3rd gen. aircrafts which still form the bulk of PLAAF and number in excess of 1000.

And care to name the employee who said that... or atleast provide the source for your employee information... I am sure if any such employee existed he/she would've been slaughtered by now by CCP.

Have a read through these two threads:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...hin-cac-j-10b-j-20-also-pakistan-related.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ext-generation-fighter-program-confirmed.html

PS: All J-6 has been retired from active service since early 2000's.

 

[Mav3rick]

actually india's most used form of data gathering is spy satellites.

i met someone in the indian navy who was employed to track ship movements in karachi 15 years ago

god knows what india has these days with all these spy satellites they are launching

Yeah....today they can watch crew from Agostas changing their clothes at maximum depth. Too bad for Pak Navy.

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Have a read through these two threads:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...hin-cac-j-10b-j-20-also-pakistan-related.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ext-generation-fighter-program-confirmed.html

PS: All J-6 has been retired from active service since early 2000's.

They are?? Damn!!! If only IAF knew of that they would have grounded all their Mig-21's.


Ah well.....

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Thunders multiply like rabbits

 

[regular]

Thunders multiply like rabbits

Oh My God! I love to have some of those rabbits too.Nice cute ones in my backyard....

 

[PakShaheen79]

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UK held secret briefing for India on missiles in Libyan war
PTI Oct 16, 2011, 09.38PM IST
Tags:
Missile Performance|MBDA Missiles|MBDA
MANCHESTER: At a time when NATO forces were destroying the bases of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, Britain gave a secret presentation to the Indian Air Force (IAF) about the performance in the Libyan war of MBDA missiles, which have been offered to New Delhi.

"A presentation was given to the Indian Air Force two months ago where senior officers including the present chief (Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne) were present, about the performance of the Brim Stone precision guided missile," Frank Morgan, a senior MBDA executive, told a group of Indian reporters here.

UK held secret briefing for India on missiles in Libyan war - Times Of India

This is said to be 3 times more powerful than AGM-65 Mervick missiles against the armoured targets.

Specifications

Length: 1.8 m
Diameter: 17.8 cm
Weight: 48.5 kg
Range: 20+ km
Speed: Supersonic
Control: Aerodynamic surfaces on missile
Propulsion: Solid-rocket
Guidance: 94 GHz Millimetric wave radar (MMW) & digital autopilot
Warhead: HEAT tandem warhead - initial charge triggers reactive armour followed by the main high explosive anti-tank shaped charge jet
Fuze: Crush fuze (detonation on impact)