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PAF's possible answer to MRCA

We should not have option we should get 150 J-10 B by 2018 and also 200 JF-17 Block 2 by 2018 and also all F-16 upgrded
So convenient for you to say get this and get that. Having no idea of basic economics and manufacturing field.
The 36 J-10 comes in from 2014 at the earliest.
How is PAF going to sustain these numbers you state economically .
 
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THE FUTURE.

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More than enough.:pop:
 
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MMRCA first squad will be in India by 2014. PAF has not yet decided for J10. It will take 2 years to have 1squad of J10. If PAF sign J10 deal by 2012, you can get 18 J10 by 2014.


PAF decided on J-10 quite a while back, I wouldn't really be surprised if we already have a squadron or 2 and it's just not announced, due to some tactical reason. In any case at the rate the Chinese are building J-10's, we would have atleast 2 squadrons by 2014/15 even if we order them in 2013, that is if we do not already have some :)

By the way even India hasn't decided on MMRCA yet so how come 2014 gets so definite as delivery date?
 
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Are you talking about the military doctrine where one side is the Pakistan army and the other side is some ill equipped die hard radical people involved in some gorilla warfare tactics. Are you thinking that AWACS and SAMs are being used against such people. Is it true..?And can you explain how its being used...?
Instead use your funds for the development of your country than cry war against India. India is least bothered concerning Pakistan as long as some non state actors inflict harm to it.
There is a saying in Urdu but now altered by me" Khud ko kar buland itna ki India tuj se kud pooche bata dono trade kare ya nahi";)

I share the same view as you when it comes to development, unfortunately most of my country's fund is being used up in corruption and bad governance. But your understanding is pathetic when you ask me if SAM sites are being used against militants.

By the way, India is least bothered concerning Pakistan? To be honest I hope, wish and pray that becomes the case but hard hitting fact is exactly the opposite. Most of your external policies are Pakistan specific, you harm us at every point possible even when you have nothing to gain politically or otherwise. But that's not the point of this thread so lets stay on the topic shall we?
 
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PAF decided on J-10 quite a while back, I wouldn't really be surprised if we already have a squadron or 2 and it's just not announced, due to some tactical reason. In any case at the rate the Chinese are building J-10's, we would have atleast 2 squadrons by 2014/15 even if we order them in 2013, that is if we do not already have some :)

By the way even India hasn't decided on MMRCA yet so how come 2014 gets so definite as delivery date?

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Using the same old secrecy card. How on earth can a thing that can fly kept hidden.
Smell the coffee and stop being delusional.
 
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Are you sure ??... eventually when that time comes even Afghanistan and Iran would be fielding 5th Gen. Fighter planes in their respective air forces.... if want to fantasize-- fantasize big...

Well, unlike you, we have an advantage that we are good friends with almost all our neighbours. We will eventually build up great relations with even Afghanistan despite your ill intentions which will be thwarted the moment your daddy leaves Afghanistan. So basically we focus only on India as far as our defensive strength is concerned. If that means that India would still be flying 4th and 4.5th gen planes by the time Iran an Afghanistan fly 5th gen planes then we, too, shall fly planes from 4th and 4.5th gen to counter IAF.
 
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Using the same old secrecy card. How on earth can a thing that can fly kept hidden.
Smell the coffee and stop being delusional.

Not using any card buddy, read and understand the post, that was meant as my personal assumption and was stated as such.
 
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Using the same old secrecy card. How on earth can a thing that can fly kept hidden.
Smell the coffee and stop being delusional.
Sir for your information J-10B was developed according to needs of PAF so we al ready decided about it and got it developed to now we have to decide when to get first batch :yahoo:
 
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Who told you that countries which are spending more money are not spending efficiently.... failed argument
Who is notorious for raising costs.........I think it should give you a fair hint
 
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PAF decided on J-10 quite a while back, I wouldn't really be surprised if we already have a squadron or 2 and it's just not announced, due to some tactical reason. In any case at the rate the Chinese are building J-10's, we would have atleast 2 squadrons by 2014/15 even if we order them in 2013, that is if we do not already have some :)

By the way even India hasn't decided on MMRCA yet so how come 2014 gets so definite as delivery date?

Sorry bro, but I think you forgot about the latest indian surveillance systems any thing which fly in your territory can not be hidden from us.
 
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No J-10 has been delivered to Pakistan. That is not up for debate. CAC employee already stated deliveries will start in the next two years.

With that said, Pakistan can always receive priority delivery from China at any time. In fact, when sh*t hits the fan it can even pull planes directly from current Chinese inventory. During 1965, the first dozen or so F-6 Pakistan received were existing PLAAF J-6 that were quickly repainted in PAF colours. Since PAF regularly sends its pilots to CAC for training and orientation, I suspect quite a few of them are already familiar with the platform. They can pretty much go straight into combat with J-10 if needed.

All Pakistan has to do is ask.
 
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and which is ????

1. Rohini Radar

The Central Acquisition Radar (3D-CAR) is a 3D radar developed by DRDO for use with Akash SAM. The 3D CAR was developed as part of a program between DRDO and Poland's PIT to develop a family of mobile, S-Band 3D radars.

The areas of cooperation were in developing the Planar Array and general architecture. The Indian variant is the 3D CAR, a medium range surveillance radar for Akash at Group level, intended to provide high mobility and comprehensive high and low level coverage. The Polish versions, are the TRS series of S Band mobile radars such as the TRS-17 and TRS-19. The original Indian (3D CAR) and Polish (TRS 17) radars shared the basic architecture and antenna but differed in terms of purpose designed transmitter/receivers, and signal processing equipment. The TRS series for instance can track 120 targets, while the Indian radar tracks 150.

2. Rajendra Radar

The Rajendra Multi-Function Phased Array radar system, designed at the Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (LRDE), part of DRDO, is currently in production at Bharat Electronics Limited. This is named after India's First president Dr. Rajendra Prasad.

The LRDE is working on the Rajendra III radar for the Indian Army.[1] Rajendra III is a slewable phased array radar based on the T-72 chassis. As of 2007, the BLR-III vehicle on T-72 chasis was ready for a track test. The Phased array antenna is fabricated at Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL), Ghaziabad. Collimated beam pattern and s/s cure for all 16 spot frequencies has been taken.

Current orders for the Rajendra and its derivatives are at least 32 units, considering the order for 2 Squadrons of the Akash system by the Indian Air force and the indent for 28 Weapon Locating Radars by the Indian Army.

3. The Indra Radar

The Indian Doppler Radar (INDRA) series of 2D radars were developed by India's DRDO for the Army and Air Force. The INDRA-I is a is a mobile surveillance radar for low level target detection while the INDRA-II is for ground controlled interception of targets.

INDRA-I is a 2D mobile surveillance radar for low level target detection. The radar is housed in two wheeled vehicles. Some of the main features are automated Track While Scan (TWS), integrated IFF and high scan rate for high speed target detection. The radar is produced by Bharat Electronics Limited and inducted into service. The INDRA-I was a landmark project for the DRDO, as it was the first large radar system designed by the organization and produced in number for the defence forces. The Indian Air Force operates thirty INDRA-I's whereas the Indian Army also has several.

INDRA-II

It is a variant of INDRA radar for ground controlled interception of targets. The radar uses pulse compression for detection of low flying aircraft in heavy ground clutter with high range resolution and ECCM capabilities. The radar has been produced by Bharat Electronics Limited and is used by Indian Air Force and Army. Seven INDRA-IIs have been ordered by the Indian Air Force.

4. Aerostat Radar

India has recently acquired Aerostat radars. The entire system is divided in major parts. Firstly, the aerostat balloon which has been acquired from Israel and second part is the payload on board the balloon which consists, advanced programmable radar (APR), Electronic Intelligence (ELINT), Communication Intelligence (COMINT) and V/UHF radio telephony equipment and Identification Friend or Foe (IFF). It has the capability to be integrated with AWACS and ground air defence environment and funtion as a command and control centre. Depending upon the payload the theethered balloon can be raised to the height between 10000 feet to 16000 feet.

The system gives a seamless radar cover of 300 km plus at low level along with good RT range and requisite ELINT. The system could be termed as static AWACS. Off course it comes with some vulnerabilities and limitations, like weather, wind speeds, lightning & thunder, launch & recovery periods are vulnerabilities. Its virtues also make it a prime target for enemy therfore it needs to be protected by exclusive air defence weapons. But we hope that the advantages of such system would outlast the limitations

5. GreenPine Radar

India has recently acquired Aerostat radars. The entire system is divided in major parts. Firstly, the aerostat balloon which has been acquired from Israel and second part is the payload on board the balloon which consists, advanced programmable radar (APR), Electronic Intelligence (ELINT), Communication Intelligence (COMINT) and V/UHF radio telephony equipment and Identification Friend or Foe (IFF). It has the capability to be integrated with AWACS and ground air defence environment and funtion as a command and control centre. Depending upon the payload the theethered balloon can be raised to the height between 10000 feet to 16000 feet. The system gives a seamless radar cover of 300 km plus at low level along with good RT range and requisite ELINT. The system could be termed as static AWACS. Off course it comes with some vulnerabilities and limitations, like weather, wind speeds, lightning & thunder, launch & recovery periods are vulnerabilities. Its virtues also make it a prime target for enemy therfore it needs to be protected by exclusive air defence weapons. But we hope that the advantages of such system would outlast the limitations

India had acquired and deployed two Green Pine radars around July 2002 and another one in August 2005.[33] The Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar of the Indian Defence Research and Development Organisation is an acknowledged derivative of the original Green Pine.[34]

The Indian government has sought to purchase the complete Arrow system since 1999,[3] but in early 2002 the U.S. vetoed Israel's request to sell the Arrow 2 missiles to India,[4][33] exercising its right as a major funding contributor.[35] U.S. officials argued that the sale would violate the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR).[

6. Sword Fish Radar

Swordfish is an Indian Long range tracking radar specifically developed to counter ballistic missile threat. It will be a part of India's ballistic missile program. First testing of this radar was in March 2009. Main aim of the test was to validate the capabilities of the indigenously developed Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR). "The missile to be hit will be fired from a longer distance than it was in the earlier test. DRDO tested whether the radar could track the incoming missile from that distance or not" said a member of the project.

Swordfish is an acknowledged derivative of the Israeli Green Pine long range radar, which is the critical component of that country's Arrow missile defence system. [1] However, it differs from the Israeli system as it employs Indian Transmit Receive modules, signal processing, computers and power supplies. It is also more powerful than the base Green Pine system and was developed to meet India's specific BMD needs.7. Indian Army : Weapon Locating Radars
 
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Sir for your information J-10B was developed according to needs of PAF so we al ready decided about it and got it developed to now we have to decide when to get first batch :yahoo:
not j10b it was an export version called fc20
 
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There is no official word on how many J-10s will serve in PAF....150 is estimated requirements. I agree that buying planes is not like buying candies, but PAF's wont be like to have anything like MMRCA tender. Its induction will be much quicker.Moreover, Unofficial induction date cited is mid 2013 (if everything remains on track) .If this does happen, then PAF will again have an early start in its induction vis a vis IAF. So in short, agree with your statement that building fleet not gonna happen overnight but rest assure PAF wont like to stuck with LCA and MMRCA type inductions either.

As far as my thinking goes the 1st J-10B won't be there for PAF any time before 2014.... the 1st batch would be a customary 8-12 planes with PAF markings only delivered by the end of 2014 or the beginning of 2015... If all goes right for PAAF... MMRCA would start its deliveries by 2014 beginning perhaps with 2 squadrons i.e. 40 planes as per IAF standards directly from the vendor with in house production starting by 2015-16.

LCA is a totaly different thing together.. with different needs and requirements... there is no rush and they are waiting for the best unlike..... what must be realized here is that J-10B is still a new plane relatively as compared to LCA or MMRCA... and there would be some problem associated with it at the time of its induction in PLAAF i.e. in 2014 which always is and has been the case with new combat planes and China is not different here.

Other than that It would be better If PAF looks its fleet in 150-200 J-10Bs rather than 300 JF-17.
 
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