PAF's First Aggressor Unit TDS

[omega supremme]

I think PAF is already an offensive defensive force by that meaning all PAF squadron will do offence as well as defence, then what does this aggressor unit mean.

 

[Windjammer]

Hi,

The term " Licenced to Kill "---is a very cheap term for a warrior's shoulder patch---.

I have seen a USAF patch with 'Red Ripper' logo on it....PAF is licenced to kill any aggressor.

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

Hi,

Does not make any difference to the tactical situation---it is only for survival now---if it ever changes.

It is like cancer----when you get it at the time it is benign---you can get reid of it---but when you remove it when it is malignant---you have lost the race most of the time.

If it was done 15 years ago---the result would have been peace---and that would have resulted in a large economic growth for the nation.

Now Paf is 15 years behind in procurement---it can never fill the void created by its blunders---it is always going to do a cat up game---but it will not catch up in numbers---unless the enemy screws up in its procurement.

i think with inducting fifth generation before the enemy we can somewhat catch up.

 

[Windjammer]

Hi,

Does not make any difference to the tactical situation---it is only for survival now---if it ever changes.

It is like cancer----when you get it at the time it is benign---you can get reid of it---but when you remove it when it is malignant---you have lost the race most of the time.

If it was done 15 years ago---the result would have been peace---and that would have resulted in a large economic growth for the nation.

Now Paf is 15 years behind in procurement---it can never fill the void created by its blunders---it is always going to do a cat up game---but it will not catch up in numbers---unless the enemy screws up in its procurement.

Mastan sahib, repeating same lines in every thread wears thin, the topic here is related to weapons and tactics not procurement procedures, PAF has always maintained an edge due to it's training and professionalism.... having the best planes and technology didn't stop 9/11.....nor is the point in fielding half a dozen type top range fighters....only to end up as hangar queens.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Confused;

For a force that is focused on point defense doctrine, where is the aggressor unit going to fit ?

Or are we changing the defense centered doctrine ?
IF we indeed are, then the tools must already have been identified and plans in progress.

Offence is the best defence!

 

[Mentee]

Mastan sahib, repeating same lines in every thread wears thin, the topic here is related to weapons and tactics not procurement procedures, PAF has always maintained an edge due to it's training and professionalism.... having the best planes and technology didn't stop 9/11.....nor is the point in fielding half a dozen type top range fighters....only to end up as hangar queens.

windy Bhai that's the usual mumbo jumbo we the civvies have been fed with for the last many decades . Come up with some thing interesting , it's not entertaining anymore

i think with inducting fifth generation before the enemy we can somewhat catch up.

yes sir , we could surely crawl another bloody mile before getting decimated once and for all . Meanwhile enjoy this national horse and pony show

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Thanks to ALLAH , PAK forces are changing there "Defensive" force doctrine(looks like). Current doctrine of PAF and PN is against Islam , Quran and any modern warfare strategy .
You and your forces are useless if they cant go in to Enemy territory. simple , Isnt it?

The last time the French tried in WW2, and they miserably failed!!! IMO Pak is dead offensive - "Inna lillahi ve Inna Ilahi........" doctrine...

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

yes sir , we could surely crawl another bloody mile before getting decimated once and for all . Meanwhile enjoy this national horse and pony show

well i'm an optimistic guy, we can't just give up i think we still have hope.

 

[MastanKhan]

i think with inducting fifth generation before the enemy we can somewhat catch up.

Hi,

It won't work---unless you don't have deep strike heavy aircraft---the situation won't change---.

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

Hi,

It won't work---unless you don't have deep strike heavy aircraft---the situation won't change---.

well in a hypothetical situation if we get f-35 tomorrow and a war starts India wouldn't stand a chance we will gain air superiority and after that we can call in our refuelers and do deep strikes than.

 

[MastanKhan]

Mastan sahib, repeating same lines in every thread wears thin, the topic here is related to weapons and tactics not procurement procedures, PAF has always maintained an edge due to it's training and professionalism.... having the best planes and technology didn't stop 9/11.....nor is the point in fielding half a dozen type top range fighters....only to end up as hangar queens.

Hi,

Procurement procedures precede weapons and tactics---. You have to have the right weapons to have any kind of tactics---.

Re 9/11 is not an intelligent comment from you---. You did not think what you were saying---.

RE fielding 1/2 a dozen different type of aircraft is again not a very intelligent answer---.

JF17/F16/J10's/Saab Grippen/M2K's are all one type of aircraft.

It s due to Paf's fck ups---that we have to look for the same model from a different manufacturer---it is just like if you cannot buy a Toyota Corolla---you buy a Hinda Civic---or a Nissan Sentra---.

A heavy strike aircraft would be a 2nd type of aircraft category

well in a hypothetical situation if we get f-35 tomorrow and a war starts India wouldn't stand a chance we will gain air superiority and after that we can call in our refuelers and do deep strikes than.

Hi,

First of all---wars are not fought hypothetically---wars are fought with weapons that you procure 5 / 10 years ago---trained hard on them to AVOID fighting your battle of tomorrow.

A stealth fighter like the J31---it would take about 15-20 years for integration for the Paf once they got their hands on it---.

The enemy would have their options open as well.

 

[Trango Towers]

Nope but they will make the difference when it comes to range and payload

its a tactics development School

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Bhai, please refrain from the fatwa. Defence and offence is a matter of tactics, not religion. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) used defensive tactics during the battle of the trench. He used offensive tactics when they were better placed to be used.

First its not a Fatwa , Second do you really know what happened in both 2 Ghazwa you mentioned? I don't want go in detail of them , that time , geopolitical situation etc .
I only add one thing here , look at PAF and PN of 65 and PAF and PN of 2017 ! What different (difference) you fined??
For Muslims War is under many restrictions and codes (with ethics and morals) which world recognised very late , and if you closely observe them you will see what I mean. I am against the loud moth cry of "Defensive Force" and not having conventional way (Arms) of "Offensive Force".
Note: I really don't like bringing Islam or Religion in discussion but one can not let it go or ignore it , @HAKIKAT , gave Non-Religious example of French in WWII for reference.
@snow lake and you open your mouth like a kid with a keyboard , Read full understand then open your mouth , I am sure you can read well. I guess I m old but you are young and intelligent , can you please let us all know how you will bomb a target 1000KM or 1200Km inside India(enemy territory) conventionally (normal way) ?? Will you use JF-17 or F-16 ? Its not a kamikaze mission!! @MastanKhan

All Muslims knows that some times Our Great Prophet (PBUH) have nothing to eat for few days , but How many swords HE(PBUH) have ! Any one ?

 

[Jugger]

If I remember correctly aggressor training is not something new for paf.
is this just a name change then?
Also if you want to replicate iaf fighters then better train with Chinese against their su 30s.

 

[SherDil]

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Patch of Mirage IIIEA operators from # 7 Bandits Squadron from Masroor.