Then the point of the debate comes down to the published facts..
Our C4I system.. based on what is published is in the process of being converted to a network centric system.
Apart from what is available.. such as the radar systems purchased etc..How they are integrated.. protocols.. setups.. etc..very little published info..
online..at least to my knowledge exists..
You may find peeks of it in the usual ISPR releases..or older videos..but that is that..Maybe that is the psyche of the Pakistan military not to be open..
or maybe they are just learning how to be media savvy.
either they know better..or they dont.. I cant judge.
as for the brandishing part.. I can simply state what I know from my sources.
I am incapable of asking the AF to give me any published data or proposal scans on the system.. apart from what is reported on in journals..or on wiki.
Again.. many of these projects are outsourced to universities..if they are published.. one can assume there is a foundation for such and such capability..
But if somebody is not willing to publish it...but if i have seen the groundwork for it..the people working on it.. how am I at fault for still believing in it?
again..agree to disagree.. but you cannot convert my perspective on it.
Now what if .. 6 months..or a year down the road.. a magazine like AFM does another in depth story on the PAF..and then the data is available on the net.
what if it debunks all that I have said here.. I lose my credibility..
what if it confirms all that has been said here...
Isnt that the point of these forums?..
isnt that where we found out about the J-10B from?
the much rumored yet not seen J-XX?
Lets say I tell you that I know that the C4I system has a detection to classification and tracking time of around 3ms..
lets assume I know the guy working on it.. and only deemed it necessary at the time to ask this question...
I dont know about the links..fiber..microwave.. optical or pigeon based..I never bothered to ask.. so does that automatically make the system non existent?
Maybe he is just doing it for research..or as a study..
But he is working on it..and we a pretty cash strapped nation..we dont just do stuff for the heck of it..
I am paranoid..or cautious..
particularly because of an ugly incident involving a colleague..he wasn't thrown into the gulag.. but people did find out he was being very descriptive of his work at his second job teaching university grads..and was severely reprimanded...I probably would not be risking anything if I talked openly here on what I am working on..its been done in india as well..yet..why take the chance.
p.s
I did not back slap him because he derided the Indian system or showed ours as better..but I occasionally do appreciate those who b|tchslap a clown around.
Im all for the discussions Ive had with you and raj..you learn something from them..even if its plain simple humility..
But the infestation of clowns...from anywhere doesn't go well with me..
Our C4I system.. based on what is published is in the process of being converted to a network centric system.
Apart from what is available.. such as the radar systems purchased etc..How they are integrated.. protocols.. setups.. etc..very little published info..
online..at least to my knowledge exists..
You may find peeks of it in the usual ISPR releases..or older videos..but that is that..Maybe that is the psyche of the Pakistan military not to be open..
or maybe they are just learning how to be media savvy.
either they know better..or they dont.. I cant judge.
as for the brandishing part.. I can simply state what I know from my sources.
I am incapable of asking the AF to give me any published data or proposal scans on the system.. apart from what is reported on in journals..or on wiki.
Again.. many of these projects are outsourced to universities..if they are published.. one can assume there is a foundation for such and such capability..
But if somebody is not willing to publish it...but if i have seen the groundwork for it..the people working on it.. how am I at fault for still believing in it?
again..agree to disagree.. but you cannot convert my perspective on it.
Now what if .. 6 months..or a year down the road.. a magazine like AFM does another in depth story on the PAF..and then the data is available on the net.
what if it debunks all that I have said here.. I lose my credibility..
what if it confirms all that has been said here...
Isnt that the point of these forums?..
isnt that where we found out about the J-10B from?
the much rumored yet not seen J-XX?
Lets say I tell you that I know that the C4I system has a detection to classification and tracking time of around 3ms..
lets assume I know the guy working on it.. and only deemed it necessary at the time to ask this question...
I dont know about the links..fiber..microwave.. optical or pigeon based..I never bothered to ask.. so does that automatically make the system non existent?
Maybe he is just doing it for research..or as a study..
But he is working on it..and we a pretty cash strapped nation..we dont just do stuff for the heck of it..
I am paranoid..or cautious..
particularly because of an ugly incident involving a colleague..he wasn't thrown into the gulag.. but people did find out he was being very descriptive of his work at his second job teaching university grads..and was severely reprimanded...I probably would not be risking anything if I talked openly here on what I am working on..its been done in india as well..yet..why take the chance.
p.s
I did not back slap him because he derided the Indian system or showed ours as better..but I occasionally do appreciate those who b|tchslap a clown around.
Im all for the discussions Ive had with you and raj..you learn something from them..even if its plain simple humility..
But the infestation of clowns...from anywhere doesn't go well with me..