PAF to get extra F-16 Block-52+ ?

[sathya]

Why F 16 Block 52 Why not Block 60 ????

Allowed block 52 is not bought because of only money issue...

Then how do you ask for block 60 ?

 

[Jaam92]

Because Defense have money to buy it even as usual Saudi can help them to buy latest technology.
Anyway if you have to buy and dump it after 10 to 12 years that will be more waste of money

 

[flameboard]

Cobra's may be possible I remember a few years ago the US offered Pakistan a few deals to get those helicopters in about 2014-2015. I don't they were even allowed to sell it so fast after it's introductions. I think this was also in the Kerry Lougher bill. Most had to be turned down, but maybe the government made some kind of deal? Maybe in exchange for allowing drone strikes?

 

[Asian.Century]

How old are you?

Old enough to knock u out in one punch.

 

[Sine Nomine]

@C130 You worry to much about Pakistan china relation but in fact Chinese are already having a inside look on USA weapons your security agencies turn a blind eye on this because you will loose business.you will not agree as Americans nature, but just think how china is flying UH-60 in there inventory because they were delivered in 1984 some 30 years ago they are still airworthy..this is USA lame exause to not sell or give weapons to PAKISTAN am i right @Horus

 

[Sine Nomine]

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Guys please stop dreaming ... PA army knows their priorities and budget issues. MI35 is best deal , a battle proven and tested , plus Pakistani aviation engineers know this helo well. Specially engine. Delivery of parts makes the product successful in defence industry.

you are 100% right because it can be used also as troops transport and also spares are easily available from third parties, super hind mk5 is very lethal bird.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Cobra's may be possible I remember a few years ago the US offered Pakistan a few deals to get those helicopters in about 2014-2015. I don't they were even allowed to sell it so fast after it's introductions. I think this was also in the Kerry Lougher bill. Most had to be turned down, but maybe the government made some kind of deal? Maybe in exchange for allowing drone strikes?

you are right AH-1z is available for export in 2015.

 

[Asian.Century]

F-16 block 52+ will distract Pakistan from J-31

J-31 will go into full production in 2018-2020 5 years from now. what do we do now? what about crashing old Mirages now, lately we had one, pilot dead?

For CI and immediate needs 8-10 new Block 52s is the best bet...and our J-31 programme also doesn't get suffered.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Slave mentality continues. Doesn't Pakistan know that anything they get from USA is sanction prone and comes with strings attatched?
Why not spend same money to buy sanctions/strings free chinese or Russian stuff or make more JF-17s.

And cobra AH-1Z will effectively finish off MI-35 / 28 procurement and put us back into the claws of USA firmly.

F16's are required and they have been approved. AH-1Z is completely different in all aspects to MI-35s.

 

[Syed Hussain]

Hi,

There is nothing like the MI 35----pak military desperately needs this chopper for its operation in fata. If we had 20 plus choppers 5 years ago-----fata would have been cleaned up a long time ago.

Mastan Khan Sir, Mi-35 is a great chopper & will really add a lot to our capabilities but is not a pure attack chopper but a mix of attack & tactical transport(eliminating the need for separate escort choppers with TT choppers dropping special teams). Having a large fleet of Mi-35 will be expensive, We need a pure attack chopper also.
& even for an attack chopper, is it wise going again for a US item? I don't need to repeat the experiences We have had with US. F-16's & the Frigates We can understand because it's been quite time & now We can "compensate" even if US brings problems, but AH1z will be a new thing(diffr than cobras already with us) & will take time. The capacity of design's "potential" & extent of possible ToT should have been looked which is best offered by WZ-10...!

 

[Asian.Century]

That should be 18 Blk 52 right? Where did 8 come from?

I think that 8 is we can only afford as new ones and rest we will buy used F16s. The new will be bought via CSF funds.

 

[MastanKhan]

Mastan Khan Sir, Mi-35 is a great chopper & will really add a lot to our capabilities but is not a pure attack chopper but a mix of attack & tactical transport(eliminating the need for separate escort choppers with TT choppers dropping special teams). Having a large fleet of Mi-35 will be expensive, We need a pure attack chopper also.
& even for an attack chopper, is it wise going again for a US item? I don't need to repeat the experiences We have had with US. F-16's & the Frigates We can understand because it's been quite time & now We can "compensate" even if US brings problems, but AH1z will be a new thing(diffr than cobras already with us) & will take time. The capacity of design's "potential" & extent of possible ToT should have been looked which is best offered by WZ-10...!
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Hi,

You need to understand the combat this MI 35 is designed for----both the pilots are protected by a titanium tub that can take on 50 caliber rounds and possibly a direct hit from older Rpg's.

Neither does the MI 28 can do what the 35 can do nor the AH1Z do what the 35 is capable of----. With its gunship capabilities it gives deadly suppressing fire---drops the troops on the ground and goes back to its attack mode from the air while the ground troops do the cleanup on the ground---do the mop up work----.

On a similar scenario----you can have 2 to 3 choppers doing a raid and dropping 30 + troops on the ground right in the heart of enemy territory---while the gunships are killing from the air and ground troops clearing from the ground----you can also drop extra troops from the air onto the secure ground.

During the Russian afghan war of the 80's there was nothing that the afghans feared more than the MI 25 HIND---it was deadly---it was brutal---it was ruthless---it mowed the down like nothing----the afgans had almost lost the war till they got the stingers.

The stingers were successful in the initial stages---but then the Russians started using heat suppressors on the engines.

I wish this chopper was available years ago---.

 

[he-man]

aaaye lmao some of us think we shouldn't be selling anything to Pakistan

Pakistan is clearly a Chinese ally and are in their claws.

so why should we sell top of the line F-16s and our newest Super Cobra so China can analyze them???

we have to be crazy to continue selling to Pakistan and still think India is going to turn a blind eye to it.

cut off selling military equipment and military aid, but I'm fine with continuing economical and humanitarian assistance to Pakistan though

F-16 are the bottom heap in US inventory now(though still very good) and block 52 is has nothing revolutionary anymore which chinese themselves have not got.So not much problem i guess.

They will be hesitant to provide block 60 with aesa etc.

 

[he-man]

Hi,

You need to understand the combat this MI 35 is designed for----both the pilots are protected by a titanium tub that can take on 50 caliber rounds and possibly a direct hit from older Rpg's.

Neither does the MI 28 can do what the 35 can do nor the AH1Z do what the 35 is capable of----. With its gunship capabilities it gives deadly suppressing fire---drops the troops on the ground and goes back to its attack mode from the air while the ground troops do the cleanup on the ground---do the mop up work----.

On a similar scenario----you can have 2 to 3 choppers doing a raid and dropping 30 + troops on the ground right in the heart of enemy territory---while the gunships are killing from the air and ground troops clearing from the ground----you can also drop extra troops from the air onto the secure ground.

During the Russian afghan war of the 80's there was nothing that the afghans feared more than the MI 25 HIND---it was deadly---it was brutal---it was ruthless---it mowed the down like nothing----the afgans had almost lost the war till they got the stingers.

The stingers were successful in the initial stages---but then the Russians started using heat suppressors on the engines.

I wish this chopper was available years ago---.

Mi-28ne would be against t-90,arjuns and t-72.
It would be a great addition if pakistan manages to get it but i have huge doubts russia can take such a risk.

 

[MastanKhan]

F-16 are the bottom heap in US inventory now(though still very good) and block 52 is has nothing revolutionary anymore which chinese themselves have not got.So not much problem i guess.

They will be hesitant to provide block 60 with aesa etc.

Hi,

The BLK 52 that pak has is more advanced than any aircraft in china's inventory at this time.