PAF to get extra F-16 Block-52+ ?

[he-man]

would it be chinese or euro ?

Chinese........

 

[IrbiS]

Take this as a realistic outcome.

Those additional f16 and frigates are requests by Pakistan.

USA has not offered these and you guys will want them for free or aid grant funds.

There is huge pressure in USA to stop aid to Pakistan as soon as usa withdraws from Afghanistan. The obl lincident has left huge mistrust.

Pakistanis Think and hope aid from USA will continue and the obl episode will be forgotton but things will turn sour after the withdrawl

How can you tell? U.S has to arm Pakistan and keep our capabilities to a certain level, situation on Indian border can escalate any time even when both are apparently happy with each other. So we won't rush to the nukes before someone intervenes and maybe reduce our nuke production speed and the way this Indian govt. has been acting. We are not under sanctions these days so we can buy many things if we've resources which is our big problem these days. And money my friend plays bigger role sometimes than politics. If we've money and are eager to buy, why should U.S turn that money down and let someone else get it?
Leave aside Pakistan, Iran bought thermal batteries for aim-54 missiles from U.S suppliers.

 

[Storm Force]

Umair

Your general's are in Washington as we speak.

They are asking for grant aid military hardware . Ie free f16 and frigates.

They the pak military are trying to squeeze what they can on pretext we are helping you the USA in wot.
blackmailing the USA if India starts something we will go nuclear or give us free conventional arms is the other common line they use.

Ultimately its about getting free hardware no matter which route you take.

To date it has worked
But it is coming to an end as there is a lot if mistrust and resentment towards Pakistan. In usa now

 

[Donatello]

Watch out, Storm Force is back with his expert analysis.

 

[IrbiS]

Umair

Your general's are in Washington as we speak.

They are asking for grant aid military hardware . Ie free f16 and frigates.

They the pak military are trying to squeeze what they can on pretext we are helping you the USA in wot.
blackmailing the USA if India starts something we will go nuclear or give us free conventional arms is the other common line they use.

Ultimately its about getting free hardware no matter which route you take.

To date it has worked
But it is coming to an end as there is a lot if mistrust and resentment towards Pakistan. In usa now

Our general is home.We don't get anything free we've to pay to the corporations U.S govt. doesn't own lockheed and have not received that much support funds as you people taunt even what were dues

 

[araz]

Because Defense have money to buy it even as usual Saudi can help them to buy latest technology.
Anyway if you have to buy and dump it after 10 to 12 years that will be more waste of money

mairay bhai.
why do we expect the Saudis to lift ths burden of our defence needs. Please be realistic. No one does any thing for anyone without their own interests. The Saudis are no different. We are not eligible for their khairaat
This nation and its Be ghairat leaders need to wake up and start working hard and honestly to develop this nation rather than begging this or that nation and prostituting our nation t0 earn money.
Araz

 

[araz]

Looking at the news and some of the usual reactionaries shooting from the hip. One needs to look at what will happen if you purchase these items. Lets start with the F-16s.

Currently Pakistan has 18 F-16 block-52s that form a single squadron at Shahbaz. The addition of 8 F-16 will bring that number up to 26 and allow the possibility of creating two different squadrons... or the largest squadron Pakistan would have. Those additional aircraft will bring the advantage that their package brings increasing the lethality of what resides at Shahbaz and considering we already have them, the cost of this additional force increase will be minimal. So from any PoV this would be a smart move and quite beneficial.. but we have hot headed reactionary statements all the time.. nothing new there.

While I am not entirely in favour of the Zulu Cobra, I am not against it either. It offers commonality and ease of training along with pre-existent weapons stock. Only the price will determine if it is a better option than the T-129(also what possibly is there that the engine issue with the T-129 was perhaps created to get Pakistan to be a customer for the AH-1Z. Money coming through has a lot of impact)

The OHPs are a no brainer. They are great ships that once upgraded with Turkish help would prove to be an effective Surface warfare asset. And since these were already provisioned for via EDA.. all you need to pay for is the refurbishment cost.

Oscar.
Fully agreed witb you on all. If I could just add we need some more Mlued/ non Mlued bl.15s. If we made it a condition that we buy 8 52s but get 16 bl.15s as excess defence articles to MLU locally or at TAI, I think it would be a much better deal for less money than Bl.52s alone. Our fleet is fast decaying and this would be the most expedient way and allow some laxity with bl. 2 JF17 induction after appropriate testing.
Araz

 

[araz]

Pakistan is Non NATO Ally
The USA and CHINA Relations was Established through Pakistan

The All USA sanctions against Pakistan were failed
Pakistan were successful in nuclear program defeating all US sanctions
Pakistan have very unique geopolitical situation in the region us can't afford Pakistan importance.

Dost.
Regarding the first point you need to learn something from the west. They never remember what you do for them. All that matters is their needs now. The time to benefit from that venture was to accept the 3 billion check which Kissinger had in his pocket not sing about it now.
Regarding the second point you achieved your aims because the US wanted you to achieve them not the other way around . So no need to thump your chest on that. If they wanted to stop you they would have bombed the shit out of you and you would have done nothing. The reasons for that are long term strategy in the region. Also you survived the sanctions because they intentionally kept things light and token. If they really wanted you to kneel before them they would have banned all exports from Pakistan and then seen how many generals and leaders would have gone running to uncle Sam to save them. Geopolitics is a hard thing for people to understand but one needs to look at things from many angles before you understand people's motives.
Araz

 

[araz]

Kid we have exchange for both !! Come in Russia and see from the first hand !! Why not ?? From many you will not get a headache !!

Dexter and Somalia support.
Can you two please stop arguing like children. And keep it civil or I will report you both. The forum rules are there to be followed.
Araz

 

[SQ8]

Oscar.
Fully agreed witb you on all. If I could just add we need some more Mlued/ non Mlued bl.15s. If we made it a condition that we buy 8 52s but get 16 bl.15s as excess defence articles to MLU locally or at TAI, I think it would be a much better deal for less money than Bl.52s alone. Our fleet is fast decaying and this would be the most expedient way and allow some laxity with bl. 2 JF17 induction after appropriate testing.
Araz

Well the old saying goes "there is no such thing as free lunch". So the same goes for EDA F-16s(not many block-15s left as the PAF has already scoured the market including US stocks for the aircraft). So if there are any EDA F-16s to be had they would have to be either Block 25(also unlikely to be in a condition that the PAF would accept) or Block 32(very rare). Most Block-42s have undergone CCIP and so will continue to serve the USAF for at least another decade or more.

 

[IrbiS]

Well the old saying goes "there is no such thing as free lunch". So the same goes for EDA F-16s(not many block-15s left as the PAF has already scoured the market including US stocks for the aircraft). So if there are any EDA F-16s to be had they would have to be either Block 25(also unlikely to be in a condition that the PAF would accept) or Block 32(very rare). Most Block-42s have undergone CCIP and so will continue to serve the USAF for at least another decade or more.

They are buying AESAs for their fleet so they're gonna keep 'em for a while

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Well the old saying goes "there is no such thing as free lunch". So the same goes for EDA F-16s(not many block-15s left as the PAF has already scoured the market including US stocks for the aircraft). So if there are any EDA F-16s to be had they would have to be either Block 25(also unlikely to be in a condition that the PAF would accept) or Block 32(very rare). Most Block-42s have undergone CCIP and so will continue to serve the USAF for at least another decade or more.

This is a few month old but it might help you decide.
Air Force to eliminate nearly 500 aircraft in 25 states, D.C. and overseas - News - Stripes
and
Nearly half of Air Force’s planned F-15C Eagle cuts could come from overseas - News - Stripes

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

more than 60 available F16's

 

[Falcon Striker]

No they won't. FC-31 is a completely different machine which won't be available for another 10 years.

10 years ! I thought it'll be 6 years at most

 

[Falcon Striker]

Regarding the 1Z, we are fishing, real target is purchase of NOC regarding engines, nuff said.

What's NOC ?