PAF Should Go For The F 35---A Coupe De Grace

[MastanKhan]

Mastan-------I-----Wonder----What-----You----Were-----Thinking-----When----You----Made-------This-----Thread.

Please----Share----Your----Wallet----With----GoP------and-----buy-----F-35.

Hi,

My thinking was very clear---that would have been a coupe de grace---. Even the air chief made the statement later for the F35's---I did not anticipate pakistan to screw things that bad for itself---so fast.

At that time---everything was hunky dory---there was a good lovey dovey feel in the air---there was some anticipation of problems up in the horizon---but pakistan's non existting foreign office and Nawaz Sharif played things very badly.

 

[dadeechi]

2-Why India will not procure F-35 while America will offer them.?
F-35 is currently in Developing and testing fase.No matter how bigger the country is (India) and how much stronger economy it has it is unable to deal with a lot of contracts at a time. Currently India is investing in Pak Fa.. Devloping Its TEJAS, Developing its 5th gen fighters like AMCA and FGFA, In talks with America for Boeing FA 18 Hornets, Ordered Rafale from France, In talks with Sweden for GRIPEN, May be in talks with Russia for Su-35> India has to maintain its large fleet of Sukhois,F-35 with all of these is not possible no matter howm much strong economy they have. They will surely have to refuse for F-35 till 2025.But I am not sure after that what wil happen.

Currently, there are over 3000 F35s already on order from various partners and customers.

In 2015, LM produced & delivered 45 F-35s and this year they plan to deliver 50 of them and 60 next year. With these production rates, the existing orders would only be fulfilled by 2030 or later.

Even if India desired, India would have to wait for another 15-20 years. Hence, India is planning to go for the F-16s instead.

 

[war&peace]

Hi,

There are some in adminstration who think that Nawaz & Family sold out pakistan's interest to india when he was in jail on a promise that they will tow india's line if they ever came in power after the help india gave in their release and then later in overthrowing Musharraf's govt.

So---basically---during Nawaz's tenure--- Mr. Modi has a carte blanche on what he says against pakistan.

Thanks for your comment. But then why did they let him come into the power and even more important why is he still there after all these fiascos?

 

[MastanKhan]

Thanks for your comment. But then why did they let him come into the power and even more important why is he still there after all these fiascos?

Hi,

Because they have very poor marketing skills---. They have no clue how to use the media---and on top of it---they do not want to listen.

It was just like Benazir who wrote a letter to India to attack pakistan so that she could come into power---. Why do you think the military was against her without any reason.

Just think about it---how did Zardari get into power----because Gen Kiyani was a coward---he got pushed by the U S or he may have himself made the deal wih Zardari---.

My brother told Mushy not to promote Kiyani---that Kiyani was gutless---had no loyalty and would stab him in the back---but as usual---Mushy did not listen to him---but then later came and told him ' you were right ' and my brother replied ' how many times is '---and Mushy had no answer to that.

So---you ask how he came into power----people---they forgot how gutless and incompetent he was---in their dislike for Zardari---they forgot that they had also kicked out Nawaz twice before that.

And then---pakistani military---out of SHEER STUPIDITY---decided to stay out of it---I mean to say---how stupid do the generals have to be---this is what pak military does---that is what their job is---to keep control of the outrageous things the politicians do.

They just simply let go of the control---and the ship has been sailing rudderless ever since---. It felt like pak military had a vendetta against pakistan and pakistani public and they left them to deal with their misery---just because they have been ridiculed and blamed for all the problems in the recent past.

@war&peace --- serving in the amred forces of pakistan is a thank less job---but you already know that going in---what is expected of you and what you are going to do at times of crisis.

When there has been a precedence set for decades---you cannot simply call quits just like that---you have to slowly and gradually move out of the arena---otherwise it is all chaos and anarchy.

Mastan-------I-----Wonder----What-----You----Were-----Thinking-----When----You----Made-------This-----Thread.

Please----Share----Your----Wallet----With----GoP------and-----buy-----F-35.

Hi,

One very important factor of F16 turn down was the Panama leaks---. Some of the americam senators and congressmen have openly stated pakistanis to be corrupt and their politicians corrupt as well.

So---when they raise the question---why are we helping the corrupt---our money ends up in corrupt hands---that slogan is a very powerful slogan---.

These congressmen and senators are very familiar with what Nawaz Sharif and his sons and daughter have done---even though Nawaz is the pick of the white house---but many a powerful senators want to clamp down on pakistan---and the panama leaks gave them a strong stepping stone as well.

 

[Preacher]

F-35 is not likely to be given any Non-NATO country.

 

[war&peace]

And then---pakistani military---out of SHEER STUPIDITY---decided to stay out of it---I mean to say---how stupid do the generals have to be---this is what pak military does---that is what their job is---to keep control of the outrageous things the politicians do.

They just simply let go of the control---and the ship has been sailing rudderless ever since---. It felt like pak military had a vendetta against pakistan and pakistani public and they left them to deal with their misery---just because they have been ridiculed and blamed for all the problems in the recent past.

@war&peace --- serving in the amred forces of pakistan is a thank less job---but you already know that going in---what is expected of you and what you are going to do at times of crisis.

When there has been a precedence set for decades---you cannot simply call quits just like that---you have to slowly and gradually move out of the arena---otherwise it is all chaos and anarchy.

100% agreed. The job of army is to defend Pakistan from all the enemies and more importantly the ones who are inside....How dangerous could be Kul Bashant lagarr bagarr when we have NS and Zardari enjoying the highest position of the state. Kiyani was of course the gutless guy and Mushy made him because he needed a submissive person. Mushy had become quite unpopular in army after he joined WoT without due consultation with his commanders and their difference are well documented and he feared a coup d'etet against him and that's why he did not want to let the uniform go.
Bur Raheel Shareef is a different guy....He is a brave person popular both in army and the public.....now country is really like a rudderless boat in the open sea .... how long the captain would remain intoxicated with an idiotic concept

 

[Centurion2016]

You relationship with USA is declining not because of politicians

It is the mistrust of your army and is I and their support of terrorism.

USA does not bother about corruot leaders which loot your country.
That is your internal issue.

But terrrorism is a massive issue for the world cause thisx spreads trouble in west and in your neighborhood

 

[Shabi1]

You relationship with USA is declining not because of politicians

It is the mistrust of your army and is I and their support of terrorism.

USA does not bother about corruot leaders which loot your country.
That is your internal issue.

But terrrorism is a massive issue for the world cause thisx spreads trouble in west and in your neighborhood

If Pakistan Army doesnt go against particular groups it doesnt mean it supports terrorism. We have made plenty of enemies and can't afford to make any more, if some elements are not anti Pakistan and actually provide intelligence against anti Pakistan groups than it's in Pakistan's national interest in not to go after them. Free's up fighting capacity against other threats more up on the priority list. So US instead of asking about doing more, should help Pakistan by understanding its limits. Target TTP and Haqqani elements in Afghanistan.

The US and west should realize that their interests will differ with their allies on certain issues. If Pakistan makes further enemies in trying to please Amercians than the fallout will only be for Pakistan as US is geographically very distant, Pakistan will be facing the brunt. It's our school's, Mosques and Public places being bombed for supporting US.

 

[GURU DUTT]

1- Why do we ruin relation with Us.?
An aircraft is not only the reason to ruin or not ruining the the relations with a country...Dear Brother though America will not offer this aircraft to India but they are increasing cooporation with India in other military fields and you will be shocked to know what American people think about Pakistan also the Pakistani People living in America..What they think about us....Suddenly US Denied for giving F-Sola to Pakistan and supported India in NSG.Obama himself said IGVE INDIA NSG MEMEBERSHIP IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.Further yu know better that if a country has started developing relations with your enemy how dangerous it will be,,,

2-Why India will not procure F-35 while America will offer them.?
F-35 is currently in Developing and testing fase.No matter how bigger the country is (India) and how much stronger economy it has it is unable to deal with a lot of contracts at a time. Currently India is investing in Pak Fa.. Devloping Its TEJAS, Developing its 5th gen fighters like AMCA and FGFA, In talks with America for Boeing FA 18 Hornets, Ordered Rafale from France, In talks with Sweden for GRIPEN, May be in talks with Russia for Su-35> India has to maintain its large fleet of Sukhois,F-35 with all of these is not possible no matter howm much strong economy they have. They will surely have to refuse for F-35 till 2025.But I am not sure after that what wil happen.

1.USA had already offerred both F16 and F35 but since it has first to fullfull the current order we can get it after those orders are done with

2.Indian Navy Is interested in Rafale M for new Vikrant and F35C for its future 65K tonne nuclear powered AC which they are building with US help (EMALS & AAG and other combined electronik warfare suites )

3.why will india decline if they are offered the worlds best also when we have a need and money to buy it ?

4.with US help we already are now licenced to but the best radars , avionicks and weapons and missiles which were only for select US and allies like countries and US congress had already passed a bill to give us NATO ally status

so in short we are going to buy the best UCAVs , air to air and air to ground missiles and smart munations from USA and USA is more than willing to sell them to us .... good luck

 

[Centurion2016]

Indian money is attracting USA companies and the USA in general.

Pakistan wants freebies or aid and grant supported weapons.

This is the huge difference.

The days of aid for Pakistan us ending I think especially if Clinton or trump come to power.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Indian money is attracting USA companies and the USA in general.

Pakistan wants freebies or aid and grant supported weapons.

This is the huge difference.

The days of aid for Pakistan us ending I think especially if Clinton or trump come to power.

well that sums up the thread and why things are going for Pakistan the way they are ... that was the most brutal and hard hitting way to put it .... cheers mate

 

[Centurion2016]

Thanks guru

Brutal but true

No more freebies you want f16 then pay the full price....no more grant aid...

As for f35, wait in line until 2030 or pay for a while production line just for your nation.

That's what Saudi or UAE or even India will do.

Money makes everything possible

 

[VCheng]

The job of army is to defend Pakistan from all the enemies and more importantly the ones who are inside

The Army has NO legal role in what happens inside Pakistan. Its constitutional duty is to protect the borders. Please read the law for a better understanding of how this illegal role of meddling inside Pakistan has created numerous intractable problems.

 

[MastanKhan]

Total Childish Post
What do you think A country are refusing to give us little number of F-16, Will they give us this sexy Fighter..... No Way man
I think you were drunk while posting such a post

Childish is a terminology still used by pakistanis.

If you had opened your eyes a little wider and looked at the context it was written under and read the last couple of pages---you would have understood that it was written under different conditions. As the rules of the game and the goal posts have changed since the thread was started---so the thread does not hold any value at this time.

Sir,
I have a few questions in my mind. First of all what about the money?
Although the production costs have dropped 55 percent since the first F-35 was built. Still it is too costly.
The most recently contracted unit costs for Low Rate Initial Production lot 7 (not including the engine) are:

• F-35A: $98 million
• F-35B: $104 million
• F-35C: $116 million

An F-35A purchased in 2018 and delivered in 2020 will be $85 million, which is the equivalent of $75 million in today’s dollars.

Second of all, they ddnt give us the F-16s which is the old technology, how are they supposed to give us one of their best killing machines??

same answer to you as for the other poster. Thank you.

 

[MastanKhan]

You relationship with USA is declining not because of politicians

It is the mistrust of your army and is I and their support of terrorism.

USA does not bother about corruot leaders which loot your country.
That is your internal issue.

But terrrorism is a massive issue for the world cause thisx spreads trouble in west and in your neighborhood

Hi,

Welcome to the forum---isi does not support terrorism---but the U K govt does---Altaf Hussein---letting him use UK as his base and ordering murder of opponents---.

U S military is also helping terrorists TTP---letting them roam freely in afhhanistan and allowing to attack pakistan.

And then our neighbor Iran and India---an indian naval officer just recently got caught operating out of iran.