PAF Should Go For The F 35---A Coupe De Grace

[barbarosa]

I would like to post once again the real issue is not F16 OR F35 the real issue is poor relation ship between USA Pakistan. We should visit other world for the defense equipment.

 

[Xerxes1]

All the people Considering J-31 answer my one question:
Do you Guys really think that J-31 can counter Sukhoi PAK T-50 FA?
@Zibago

What makes you think it cant ? In the end both are fifth gen fighters what so special which makes su pak fa undefeatable in the air

 

[C130]

F-35 is out budget plane , its waste of money and every 2-3 months it gets grounded by US airforce due to problems its in systems, we should have just opted for Hornets F18 if we had that option considering , Canada and other nations are selling their units off, on avarage asking 1 Billion per plane or something ridiculous figure for 1 fighter jet


Sukhoi-35 is better suited for our NAVY's need , 40-50 Units , we can thus retire our Mirage fleet (70 planes or so) Endurance & Radar coverage and performance in air, from specialization point of view , the plane would be 100% dedicated would help retire Mirage fleet


JF17 Thunder (150)/ F16 (150) Combination is enough for the Air Defense for Time being.

For F-7PG , ideal replacement would be Gripen with AESA - 50 Units , we retire 90 F-7PG
the new Gripen units would help bring in new Technology , close integration with SAAB erie eye and we can replace older F-7PG

For 1, F-35 (8 Missile in air), We can get 6 JF17 Thunders (Armed with 42 Missiles in Air).
Specially with JF17 Thunder introducing double seat version & introduction of AESA radar the value of JF17 Thunder rises even further!! for Pakistani Airforce

The problem with its Oxygen sensors and body problems are of great concern , and most folks in USA state that it good fighter in close range battle



IDEAL SCENARIO for Pakistan Air force:

150 JF17 Thunder (Our on going project)
150 F16 C/D (Our on going project) negotiate better radar/spare engines

Off the shelf purchase

• 50 Sukhoi-35 units for NAVY (GWADAR/KARACHI), and coastal areas dedicated focus, retiring 70 Mirage units
  
• 50 Gripen NG, retiring 70 F-7PG units, only if equipped with AESA

Focus for 2016-2022
Option 1: 6 Year Project with Turkey
Start of Stealth Plane project with Turkey: For 5th Generation plane

Option 2: Off the shelf purchase with China
Off the shelf purchase of J20 , 20 Units for specialized missions

this data seems outdated.

F-35A purchased in 2018 and delivered in 2020 will cost $85 million s

significantly less than $140 million for 2012

and a single F-35A with 8 missiles could possibly beat 6 JF-17 and their 42 missiles


anyhow this is all moot....chances of Pakistan ever getting the F-35 is about as remote as pigs flying.

 

[thrilainmanila]

pakistan should only seek economic assistance from the US, going to them for military hardware is like building on quick sand.

 

[Zain Malik]

What makes you think it cant ? In the end both are fifth gen fighters what so special which makes su pak fa undefeatable in the air

J-31 will not be much capable as J-20
J-20 can easily face T-50 but its hard for J-31 to counter PAK-Fa
And if you have a detailed comparison between PAK FA and J-31 plz share....

 

[Jaam92]

Hi,

After much thought and deliberation---I have come to the conclusion that PAF should change gears in mid stream and go for a 2 Sqdrn strength of the F 35 initially.

They should drop the idea for the SU35 or the J11D and go for the JH7B with the upgraded engine and aesa radar.

But the key over here is the F35----. With the procurement of this aircraft---it can bring some balance to the fire fight and have some strength at its disposal to maintain and manage an aggressive and a defensive power stance---.

This is an unconventional approach to the problem at hand---. Go for the 5th gen aircraft first and then go back to the 4--- 4.5 gen aircraft---.

It will also give it enough time to develop the JF 17 blk 3 as well.

There are a couple of things that have changed-----. @Zarvan brought my attention to a thread started by Usama---I believe---regarding the F15 Silent eagle----with a new configuration of 16 BVR missiles on the wings and underbody with conformal fuel tanks designed by Boeing believe.

The F 15 would be guided by the F22 and the F 35 towards the target---the same can be done with the JF 17's. If it can be designed to carry 6 BVR missiles---then you have taken care of some of the problems facing the air defense of the country.

By going for the F 35---you are going to take the initiative away from the enemy. If it was me----I would rather have 2 sqdrn's of F35's than 4 sqdrn's of J11d's or SU35's.

You guys are being upset at why this change in game plan----why d I keep bringing different scenarios-----. I guess you people might come across some news in the near or distant future.

So---til then--- I am not going to say anything else---. Just wanted to let you guys know---if India was a litte more aggressive last year---the deal for the J10B's was done----.

To those who are roaming around the air force bases----please look for 2 of them------.

Total Childish Post
What do you think A country are refusing to give us little number of F-16, Will they give us this sexy Fighter..... No Way man
I think you were drunk while posting such a post

 

[Pakistanisfirst]

Its useless to talk about F-35 the country which is reluctant to sell F-16s how would they sell F-35, though it is impossible and no need as well.

 

[Zain Malik]

I would like to post once again the real issue is not F16 OR F35 the real issue is poor relation ship between USA Pakistan. We should visit other world for the defense equipment.

No Need for that....!!

and a single F-35A with 8 missiles could possibly beat 6 JF-17 and their 42 missiles

JFT is a light weight aircraft which can move faster than F-35...The ratio is 1:2 not 1:6...!!!

 

[Airdef95]

By going for the F 35---you are going to take the initiative away from the enemy. If it was me----I would rather have 2 sqdrn's of F35's than 4 sqdrn's of J11d's or SU35's.------.

Sir,
I have a few questions in my mind. First of all what about the money?
Although the production costs have dropped 55 percent since the first F-35 was built. Still it is too costly.
The most recently contracted unit costs for Low Rate Initial Production lot 7 (not including the engine) are:

• F-35A: $98 million
• F-35B: $104 million
• F-35C: $116 million

An F-35A purchased in 2018 and delivered in 2020 will be $85 million, which is the equivalent of $75 million in today’s dollars.

Second of all, they ddnt give us the F-16s which is the old technology, how are they supposed to give us one of their best killing machines??

 

[C130]

No Need for that....!!


JFT is a light weight aircraft which can move faster than F-35...The ratio is 1:2 not 1:6...!!!

JFT doesn't move faster than the F-35


neither can supercruise, so 95% of the time they'll both be traveling at Mach .9 subsonic

The F-35 would see the JFT at a long ways off because of it's stealth and better radar, and when the JFT does kick in it's afterburner that's when DAS will pick it up as well

now the question is what would that Pk be on the Aim-120D, thinking getting within 50KM would guarantee 100% kills

 

[MULUBJA]

Some time F16, Some time Su 35, some time F35. First of all decide what do you want.

 

[jamal18]

NO MORE AMERICAN PLANES.

 

[MULUBJA]

F-35

US is not giving you F 16 than how would they give you F35?

 

[Tank131]

Why is this even a thread? In what world is the US gonna sell F-35 to pakistan?

 

[weqi]

Why is this even a thread? In what world is the US gonna sell F-35 to pakistan?

LOOK WE HAVE ALREADY OURS