PAF put on High Alert, low level fighter jets scramble reported near LoC: Media Report

[YeBeWarned]

Stand off weapons were used to try and get at a target while avoiding our interceptions- technically we HAVE to make sure that the wreckage falls in Pakistan; cannot do that if the weapon is a SOW.
However, right now Pakistani response has faltered; they had the entire game in their hands but failed to anticipate this clear move. All they needed was prior intel or at least an immediate media and diplomatic campaign to highlight this violation.

Nada.

Modi has his election victory, the PAF has its hands tied with limitations, and the options for a “retaliation” are gone.

What more we could do on Diplomatic level ? it won't do anything as India has much more Diplomatic lobby than Pakistan . What's needed is a actual strike in India .

 

[Asian.Century]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1100478748116299788

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[maverick1977]

Stand off weapons were used to try and get at a target while avoiding our interceptions- technically we HAVE to make sure that the wreckage falls in Pakistan; cannot do that if the weapon is a SOW.
However, right now Pakistani response has faltered; they had the entire game in their hands but failed to anticipate this clear move. All they needed was prior intel or at least an immediate media and diplomatic campaign to highlight this violation.

Nada.

Modi has his election victory, the PAF has its hands tied with limitations, and the options for a “retaliation” are gone.

So much pessimism... get ready for Raad and Babur package in IOK ...

 

[Crixus]

He is more dangerous then nuclear strikes.......

https://twitter.com/x/status/1100478748116299788

https://twitter.com/x/status/1100477860459020295

 

[kursed]

Stand off weapons were used to try and get at a target while avoiding our interceptions- technically we HAVE to make sure that the wreckage falls in Pakistan; cannot do that if the weapon is a SOW.
However, right now Pakistani response has faltered; they had the entire game in their hands but failed to anticipate this clear move. All they needed was prior intel or at least an immediate media and diplomatic campaign to highlight this violation.

Nada.

Modi has his election victory, the PAF has its hands tied with limitations, and the options for a “retaliation” are gone.

We had the required intel. PAF ADA was monitoring IAF activity all day. We failed to put up the CAP in time to thwart this incursion. As you said, PAF had the entire game in their hands but were found wanting in the end. They could not stop the enemy at the gate.

They have lowered their own deterrence value, at the end of the day. Shown it to people and the enemy, that an enemy can come in, launch a SOW within our air space and bug out - without being engaged by PAF. And there's nothing PAF can do about it now. Their day came and they came up short.

 

[SQ8]

We had the required intel. PAF ADA was monitoring IAF activity all day. We failed to put up the CAP in time to thwart this incursion. As you said, PAF had the entire game in their hands but were found wanting at the end. They could not stop the enemy at the gate.

Not exactly, we operated per protocol.

Please understand the narrative: the PAF puts up a standard CAP with layers which is EXACTLY per plan in a tiered war response.
@Horus
We monitor their movements, they monitor ours.
We were expecting an “attack” and our CAPs responded to all of them. What caused the damage in Balakot is unclear but Balakot to the LoC is 40 miles maximum.

Normal attack speeds for jets of M2k type is 450 knots - 517mph.
40 miles is covered at that speed in 4 1/2 minutes.. exactly what the ISPR has said. There was NO ordnance released or nothing hit. Damage on mountain is consistent with burning jet fuel from a drop tank slamming into it.

The PAF responded as it should have and per RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.
India is spewing a fake narrative which is sadly being interpreted here as some inability of PAF to respond.

PAF war plans include clear asset deployment and usage tiers to ensure capability through levels and timeframe of conflict.

@waz @JamD @Starlord @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Hodor

 

[kursed]

Not exactly, we operated per protocol.

Please understand the narrative: the PAF puts up a standard CAP with layers which is EXACTLY per plan in a tiered war response.
@Horus
We monitor their movements, they monitor ours.
We were expecting an “attack” and our CAPs responded to all of them. What caused the damage in Balakot is unclear but Balakot to the LoC is 40 miles maximum.

Normal attack speeds for jets of M2k type is 450 knots - 517mph.
40 miles is covered at that speed in 4 1/2 minutes.. exactly what the ISPR has said. There was NO ordnance released or nothing hit. Damage on mountain is consistent with burning jet fuel from a drop tank slamming into it.

The PAF responded as it should have and per RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.
India is spewing a fake narrative which is sadly being interpreted here as some inability of PAF to respond.

PAF war plans include clear asset deployment and usage tiers to ensure capability through levels and timeframe of conflict.

@waz @JamD @Starlord @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Hodor

ISPR itself has said that 5 PGMs were deployed. So that part is not questioned. Also, IAF in that case perfectly timed their intrusion, after monitoring our reaction times. If these weapons had destroyed civilian life on ground, PAF would have made the same argument as now? It barely missed one family.

 

[SQ8]

ISPR itself has said that 5 PGMs were deployed. So that part is not questioned. Also, IAF in that case perfectly timed their intrusion, after monitoring our reaction times. If these weapons had destroyed civilian life on ground, PAF would have made the same argument as now? It barely missed one family.

ISPR is referring to the Indian claim- please watch that press conference again.
The rest of your post will need revision once you either go through the conference or find the exact time reference where the 5 PGM section was referenced.
Thanks

 

[YeBeWarned]

Not exactly, we operated per protocol.

Please understand the narrative: the PAF puts up a standard CAP with layers which is EXACTLY per plan in a tiered war response.
@Horus
We monitor their movements, they monitor ours.
We were expecting an “attack” and our CAPs responded to all of them. What caused the damage in Balakot is unclear but Balakot to the LoC is 40 miles maximum.

Normal attack speeds for jets of M2k type is 450 knots - 517mph.
40 miles is covered at that speed in 4 1/2 minutes.. exactly what the ISPR has said. There was NO ordnance released or nothing hit. Damage on mountain is consistent with burning jet fuel from a drop tank slamming into it.

The PAF responded as it should have and per RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.
India is spewing a fake narrative which is sadly being interpreted here as some inability of PAF to respond.

PAF war plans include clear asset deployment and usage tiers to ensure capability through levels and timeframe of conflict.

@waz @JamD @Starlord @AgNoStiC MuSliM @Hodor

Sir I was waiting for your response on current incident .. Buhat dair ker di mehrbaan ate ate .
One question is kinda bothering even after you explanation , that we did act according to the CAP, as ISPR said that there were 3 separate CAP's which were scrambled to Indian Incursions , so why PAF was not given the direct order to shoot down the next fighter they sight on Radars ? I mean after 1st and 2nd CAP's and blocking IAF jets, I think third CAP must have strict orders to shoot down enemy on sight , but for me even if the wreckage of plane falls into Indian side, i would still be hopeful that PAF might release the footage of the engagement .

why do you think PA or PAF didn't order its CAP fighters to take down enemy fighters ? or that whole incident was a very quick incident where PAF has no chance to shoot down or probably deliberately tried to avoid shooting down the enemy plane ?

 

[SQ8]

Sir I was waiting for your response on current incident .. Buhat dair ker di mehrbaan ate ate .
One question is kinda bothering even after you explanation , that we did act according to the CAP, as ISPR said that there were 3 separate CAP's which were scrambled to Indian Incursions , so why PAF was not given the direct order to shoot down the next fighter they sight on Radars ? I mean after 1st and 2nd CAP's and blocking IAF jets, I think third CAP must have strict orders to shoot down enemy on sight , but for me even if the wreckage of plane falls into Indian side, i would still be hopeful that PAF might release the footage of the engagement .

why do you think PA or PAF didn't order its CAP fighters to take down enemy fighters ? or that whole incident was a very quick incident where PAF has no chance to shoot down or probably deliberately tried to avoid shooting down the enemy plane ?

Not exactly- look at the responses to each and match these with ISPR.

1. ROE focus is to deter the IAF without undue escalation.
2. Two LoC potential violations which DID not cross the border(this is usual for such tensions).
3. Third was intercepted where they turned tail and ran. They did not fire on the PAF, they did not attack any area which was reportable at the time.
4. Had they stayed in the airspace despite warnings the PAF could have shot them down under ROE.

If the PAF fired on them, the window to make that decision was less than a minute to ensure the wreckage falls into Pakistan since there was no “war trigger” from them.
If they did fire on them without being “fired upon” then it would put PAF as the aggressor since the Indians could claim they were attacking a terrorist camp and Pakistan was protecting it.

The only option was to let India attack our forces first or hit a target inside Pakistan. Here they did neither, they jettisoned their payload(not a use of weapon in anger) and turned tail.

Neither RoE condition was met- what transpired was per exact plans and a correct one..... has this been a total war situation.

Here the problem is that Indian government aren’t looking for war and instead only to propogate lies for their re-election. For that, it might have been prudent to call their bluff and blow one airplane “inside” their airspace.

But then, what consequences would that bring at a time when Pakistan can economically ill afford a conflict.

 

[Imran Khan]

if this is high alert what will happen in no alert ?

 

[batmannow]

I would bet that the Americans saw it all happening in realtime. In color. On a Panoramic screen.

Sure thts why thy wana leave afghanistan cause thy can see accros through the mountains where talibans were hiding since 17years ?lolzz

Not exactly- look at the responses to each and match these with ISPR.

1. ROE focus is to deter the IAF without undue escalation.
2. Two LoC potential violations which DID not cross the border(this is usual for such tensions).
3. Third was intercepted where they turned tail and ran. They did not fire on the PAF, they did not attack any area which was reportable at the time.
4. Had they stayed in the airspace despite warnings the PAF could have shot them down under ROE.

If the PAF fired on them, the window to make that decision was less than a minute to ensure the wreckage falls into Pakistan since there was no “war trigger” from them.
If they did fire on them without being “fired upon” then it would put PAF as the aggressor since the Indians could claim they were attacking a terrorist camp and Pakistan was protecting it.

The only option was to let India attack our forces first or hit a target inside Pakistan. Here they did neither, they jettisoned their payload(not a use of weapon in anger) and turned tail.

Neither RoE condition was met- what transpired was per exact plans and a correct one..... has this been a total war situation.

Here the problem is that Indian government aren’t looking for war and instead only to propogate lies for their re-election. For that, it might have been prudent to call their bluff and blow one airplane “inside” their airspace.

But then, what consequences would that bring at a time when Pakistan can economically ill afford a conflict.

In other words ,because pakistan is struggling economicly we should alow IAF a air permit to keep crossing the LOC?great logic sir !

Stand off weapons were used to try and get at a target while avoiding our interceptions- technically we HAVE to make sure that the wreckage falls in Pakistan; cannot do that if the weapon is a SOW.
However, right now Pakistani response has faltered; they had the entire game in their hands but failed to anticipate this clear move. All they needed was prior intel or at least an immediate media and diplomatic campaign to highlight this violation.

Nada.

Modi has his election victory, the PAF has its hands tied with limitations, and the options for a “retaliation” are gone.

No sir ,
We can beat them in thier own game , we can show a new fake strike in pakistan and then can give a strong answer using some of our tactical small weaponry , peace and economic growth are directly related with powerfull defence , who ill be investing in a country which cant defend itself from any aggression?
investors invest in a secure location or a country ?

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

Not exactly- look at the responses to each and match these with ISPR.

1. ROE focus is to deter the IAF without undue escalation.
2. Two LoC potential violations which DID not cross the border(this is usual for such tensions).
3. Third was intercepted where they turned tail and ran. They did not fire on the PAF, they did not attack any area which was reportable at the time.
4. Had they stayed in the airspace despite warnings the PAF could have shot them down under ROE.

If the PAF fired on them, the window to make that decision was less than a minute to ensure the wreckage falls into Pakistan since there was no “war trigger” from them.
If they did fire on them without being “fired upon” then it would put PAF as the aggressor since the Indians could claim they were attacking a terrorist camp and Pakistan was protecting it.

The only option was to let India attack our forces first or hit a target inside Pakistan. Here they did neither, they jettisoned their payload(not a use of weapon in anger) and turned tail.

Neither RoE condition was met- what transpired was per exact plans and a correct one..... has this been a total war situation.

Here the problem is that Indian government aren’t looking for war and instead only to propogate lies for their re-election. For that, it might have been prudent to call their bluff and blow one airplane “inside” their airspace.

But then, what consequences would that bring at a time when Pakistan can economically ill afford a conflict.

So all you are saying is that IAF played really well. Paf did well as per roe but still fell short in the eyes of indian and pakistani nation which is what iaf was looking for. Paf's credibitlity is at stake whether someone likes it or not even though they reacted perfectly. Information warfare is being won by india, so far.
Personally i think paf's response was perfect considering we were not looking for escalation to war.

 

[kursed]

If they did fire on them without being “fired upon” then it would put PAF as the aggressor since the Indians could claim they were attacking a terrorist camp and Pakistan was protecting it.

They were in Pakistani air space, attacking a Pakistani ground position (hut, camel, whatever). And PAF would have been the aggressor? How does this calculation work?

What PAF will not admit is that IAF did in fact found a clink in PAF's layered defense. And it will only add to their confidence. You can be rest assured, that any future attack in India will invite an IAF response in Pakistan. They have even found diplomatic cover from P5 over this act of aggression. And going by precedent, PAF will sit the engagement out as per 'peace time' ROEs.

And I completely agree that Pakistan can ill-afford a war at the moment. PAF's only chance at getting back, was when the aircraft were in Pakistani territory.

 

[CriticalThought]

If the PAF fired on them, the window to make that decision was less than a minute to ensure the wreckage falls into Pakistan since there was no “war trigger” from them.
If they did fire on them without being “fired upon” then it would put PAF as the aggressor since the Indians could claim they were attacking a terrorist camp and Pakistan was protecting it.

Let's be very clear. NO nation, including US of A, can unilaterally make the determination that there is an alleged terrorist camp in Pakistan and take action.

PAF would have been well in its right if, after multiple violations of its airspace and warnings given over multiple freqs, the Indians had remained. Cue DG ISPR's statement that IAF should try to remain within Pakistan for 23 mins.

The problem here is it took the CAP some time to intercept, relay the warning, during which they had ample time to release glide bombs. The entire drama unfolded in 4-5 mins. I am trying to impress this upon people since yesterday.