PAF locked on 9 shoot only two...PAF official....0n 27 Feb....

[El Sidd]

Tell me something, you want Pakistan Military to go on an "All out attack" on hindustan, to shut these weasels up, am I correct? Shoot down 9 of iaf's cockroaches outta the sky, to send a clear message to them, correct?

It was a legal binding for the government of Pakistan to shoot down every invading force. Nobody is advocating for an all out attack when clearly Pakistan was the defending force.

And what if those retards across the border actually open up a full blown war on Pakistan, in response. How united are Pakistanis in reality, for us to be able to stand with our military and government to fight the enemy? How robust is our economy?

How united is India is a matter of 5th gen soft power projection by media in Pakistan. For the amount of time you have spent advocating muslimness to everyone, you seem to give undue advantage to the enemy based on "economy". Chances were back then and even now that the Indian economy is considered imperative to the world and hence it would not be risked in a full blown war, which is why they have been harping about a limited war for a long time now.

First unite the nation, incarcerate all mafias and political criminals ... then we can talk about "hitting the indians hard." All sounds dandy but when you have traitors, murderers, mafias and jahils damaging Pakistan's economy, reputation and integrity, none of what you or others bravado really has any weight to it.

instead of always finding the enemy within, why not just see the enemy outside? when it comes to India, Pakistanis are united, the only mafia right now is the peace mafia who does not let accountability happen nor war.

Before replying do consider i read every post almost written here and have a good enough memory to compile a profile of an avatar.

 

[RoshiniVenegal]

So why you concern about second pilot we deny you and retaliate perfectly and you still believe that your mig21 shoot down our f16 Pentagon already confirmed it no PAF f16 were lost at 27 Feb

I don't believe it unless Abhinandan says he fired the missile. I also don't believe photos of missiles shown as evidence. There are a few possibilities, Abhinandan shot, Fracticide, technical snag.

 

[Ultima Thule]

instead of always finding the enemy within, why not just see the enemy outside? when it comes to India, Pakistanis are united, the only mafia right now is the peace mafia who does not let accountability happen nor war.

Before replying do consider i read every post almost written here and have a good enough memory to compile a profile of an avatar

You want a total destruction of Pakistan in form of full blown or nuke war

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi,

Just because you are a moderator here---don't bull sh-it.

Sir, these sort of messages don’t come under civil discussion circle, You know it well. Kindly do consider that others are also respectful human beings, out of all your goods, this is a serious flaw

 

[Adios Amigo]

Was trying to avoid this discussion ....but sometimes you are sucked into one....

Regardless let me ask my countrymen something a lil different ....

What if there were hundreds of IAF fighters in air that day ....And say we had locked onto at least a hundred of em not just nine.....Then what should have been our course of action?


Second .....Does a lock always means a confirm kill?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

I don't believe it unless Abhinandan says he fired the missile. I also don't believe photos of missiles shown as evidence. There are a few possibilities, Abhinandan shot, Fracticide, technical snag.

Hi

Does a lock always means a confirm kill?

Many were confirm kills. I think 5-6.
@airomerix

 

[Invicta]

I don't believe it unless Abhinandan says he fired the missile. I also don't believe photos of missiles shown as evidence. There are a few possibilities, Abhinandan shot, Fracticide, technical snag.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Considering these words the only possibility left is that; you have some unknown condition that enforces selective comprehension for issues that might effect notional prestige.

 

[El Sidd]

What if there were hundreds of IAF fighters in air that day ....And say we had locked onto at least a hundred of em not just nine.....Then what should have been our course of action?

There is no difference between 9 or 100 for a defending force.

Second .....Does a lock always means a confirm kill?

right now as statistics stand. 22.2 percent confirm kill. bad press if you ask me

 

[Ultima Thule]

I don't believe it unless Abhinandan says he fired the missile. I also don't believe photos of missiles shown as evidence. There are a few possibilities, Abhinandan shot, Fracticide, technical snag.

another conspiracy theory with no base, our ECM aircraft in the area had been jammed your jets, technical snag, possibility, so why you send old 50s era vintage mig-21 for interception , you already knows that you had to face F-16/JF-17 from our side

 

[SQ8]

Was trying to avoid this discussion ....but sometimes you are sucked into one....

Regardless let me ask my countrymen something a lil different ....

What if there were hundreds of IAF fighters in air that day ....And say we had locked onto at least a hundred of em not just nine.....Then what should have been our course of action?

Second .....Does a lock always means a confirm kill?

If the limited “diplomatic” language was always the focus, we would not have carried out the operation and waiting when those 100 would reduce to the minimum.

To quote the cliche Sun Tzu line “The victorious general only seeks battle after the victory has been won” . We knew we were going to give them a thrashing based on setting up the scenario on our terms.

A lock is never a kill, you can lock a large fighter at ranges beyond when your missile can engage. What matters is the lock and the launch parameters of the missile. So locking up a bandit heading towards you within the higher kill probability zone of your missile is a good indication that the lock will be converted.
For those Su-30’s and M2k’s trying to intercept PAF strike fighters, those locks were mostly in that category.

 

[Invicta]

another conspiracy theory with no base, our ECM aircraft in the area had been jammed your jets, technical snag, possibility, so why you send old 50s era vintage mig-21 for interception , you already knows that you had to face F-16/JF-17 from our side

It is possible that the modern avionics on MKI/M2000's were so crippled that they had to use a Mig21.
I don't know if the Migs were updated to MKI/M2000 standards in terms of avionics. Do you or anyone else can shed some light on this?

 

[BATMAN]

Muhtaram, may be you relate that to the age when it doesn't matter nor had been required to do so. That was China askng Ayub Khan to invade Kashmir and here we are talking about totally different scenario and ROEs along with the game being played. However, I am still not going to disrespect your opinion like what you did but bear with me for the manners & civility so also to let others speak as well, no matter if I don't agree.

manners...? every other day and every other post is full of personal attacks and it goes on for years, which confirms official sponsors of those personal attacks on me are you moderator team.
You as well suppress opinion and promote base less allegations.

Now coming back to the context.... geopolitical situations never remain same, one thing which could be wrong call... 10 year ago can be a right thing to do today and vice versa.

We can only learn from history, when Ayyub was President, overall he lead Pakistan well actually he didn't any wrong.
Anyway we can't speak with certainty about the period which didn't pass in our life, we are living in current time and we can say confirm about day to day happening in this time, we can confirm about sayings and doings of Imran Khan, Zardari and Sharif's last tenure... anything beyond, we shall drink with pinch of salt.

 

[Adios Amigo]

There is no difference between 9 or 100 for a defending force.

there is a hell lot of difference considering the nature of conflict .... Second we were not defending that day but were aggressors.... so again....a huge difference!

right now as statistics stand. 22.2 percent confirm kill. bad press if you ask me

Thank you....

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Sir, he said pilot died on 29th February. If it was on the same day it can be a mistake, but even after 2 days? Initially said 3 pilots 1 in custody, 2 in area. Later he says 1 in custody, 1 in hospital. 29th he says, the pilot in hospital has died, but astonishingly nobody asks about the identity of the dead pilot. The doctors and other staff in hospital would definitely know and some or all of you guys might be knowing, but don't want yo bring the truth out.
I am not saying gor sure IAF shot it down, can be a fracticide too.

thats still not evidence.
Evidence would be pictures of F-16 wreckage which would have been leaked by now.

 

[Ultima Thule]

It is possible that the modern avionics on MKI/M2000's were so crippled that they had to use a Mig21.
I don't know if the Migs were updated to MKI/M2000 standards in terms of avionics. Do you or anyone else can shed some light on this?

they are upgraded with Israeli avionics/radar but mig-21 have design and power limitations