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[janon]

As long as the idea of a nuclear war exists, the status quo will remain the same.

You do realize that India is perfectly happy with the status quo, and it is Pak that dreams of changing it, right? I'm talking about the biggest thorn, Indian Kashmir.

 

[SQ8]

You do realize that India is perfectly happy with the status quo, and it is Pak that dreams of changing it, right? I'm talking about the biggest thorn, Indian Kashmir.

Not exactly, if the status quo was so satisfying then the current government would not be whining about it. Clearly neither likes it.

 

[anonymus]

Hi,

The U S calls it the pre-emptive strike. Strike first---strike hard---strike deep.

Smart man---there is a big difference between sub-continent scenario an one between the ussr / usa

Between the u s and ussr---there was around a 45 minutes +++ warning---over here---in 60 seconds the first major close range targets can be destroyed----

There is a possibility that the general command and the parliament would not ever know when the strike happened---before they get neutralized.


Clever guy---deadlier wars have started for lesser reasons than the ones between india and Pakistan----in the 100 + years.

Counterforce doctrine envision superiority of 4:1 in Nukes in order to have even theoritical chance of sucess.

And Nukes are not specter of apocalypse. A 25Kt nuke ( type which Pak has ) has fireball radius of 290m, Air Blast radius of 640m, Radiation radius of 1.46Km.

Even in case of Surprise attack, Indian chain of command would be fine.

NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein


And good luck with taking out whole cabinet, and some 379 Generals ,and 100's of Admirals and Air marshals in one strike.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Not exactly, if the status quo was so satisfying then the current government would not be whining about it. Clearly neither likes it.

Excuse me but the present government does not whine

Instead the new red lines over NOT accepting Pakistan's meetings with Kashmiri Separatists
AND the LOC disproportionate response has rattled Pakistan

@Oscar

In the recent DUEL at the LOC This was the Indian response
And you call it Whining

According to figures given on October 16 by Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry to the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, India had by then fired approximately 36,000 rounds of ammunition in the current cycle of tit-for-tat shooting, while Pakistani troops in response fired about 8,000 rounds. About the same time, “sources close to the Indian home minister” quoted in the India media put the number of rounds fired by India even higher at 50,000. In other words, for every shot fired by Pakistan, India fired about five or six. The imbalance indicates clearly which side is stoking the fire.

SOURCE : An EXCERPT from Behind India’s sabre rattling - Asif Ezdi

 

[janon]

Not exactly, if the status quo was so satisfying then the current government would not be whining about it. Clearly neither likes it.

The present govt is "whining" about unnecessary violence and deaths; not about the status quo of territory.

It is Pakistanis who want to "liberate" Kashmir from India. Even the recent violence was in pursuance of that goal. India has not started a war or incursion to capture Pakistan administered Kashmir.

Which is why I said that India is perfectly happy with the status quo, by which I meant the borders or LoC.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Hi,

They can do what ever they want to after the fact----But it will be too late then. It is better for all of them to force both the parties on board and make peace---.

Lock both the parties in a room and force them to resolve the issues.

Nobody can force India to resolve ANYTHING
There is NOTHING to be resolved
There is No problem no dispute EXCEPT cross border terrorism from Pakistan

The nation of Hindustan is facing a new awakening---it would have been well and good if the supposed enemies would be helpless dragons---but such is not the case. India is a different nation from the last 6 months---the mindset actually---it is different but that does not mean---smart talk and sharp talk and winning talk will win you a war as well---let the slogans for war may not be the reason for war.

This 'mantra' of no 3rd party interference should be ended and the super powers need to establish the grounds for peace---.

This mantra of NO 3rd party interference is PAST
Today we are saying that we will NOT even hold bilateral talks

We have repudiated both ; UN resolutions as well as Shimla agreement

Which power on Earth can force us to negotiate

NOT even 100 J 11 's ie ( heavies ) will bring us to the peace table

 

[SQ8]

The present govt is "whining" about unnecessary violence and deaths; not about the status quo of territory..

Need to Teach Lessons to the Rogue: Parrikar on Pakistan

 

[Last Samuri]

From where we sit this is what we see

India happy with status quo. No need to talk. Left alone to grow its GDP and gain FDI these next 10 years.
If things go as suggested by global investment companies india will surpass UK & Germany as the 5th largest GDP by 2025 .

This is why india is happy with status quo.shinning india we all ,love india ,obama comes to india
putin comes to india etc etc etc.

Pakistan in a desperation

Wants no india rise because they will be the Hegomanic power in this region by virtue of enormous relative industrial might.

Pakistan also wants Kashmir talks to be restarted and push for a Favourable solution for Pakistan.

BUT NOBODY is listening in usa or china or united nations.

India is being arrogant and dismissive.

This leaves


proxy wars

if india dares to react by conventional means then Pakistan threatens first nuclear strike

unfortunately modi will call their bluff he wont hesitate as demonstrated by india massive firing on loc

 

[janon]

Need to Teach Lessons to the Rogue: Parrikar on Pakistan

Yes? Doesn't that confirm what I said? The minister is talking about giving a fitting reply to any border violence or terrorist acts; he is not talking about taking Pakistani Kashmir. As far as the status quo of the territory is concerned, India is more than satisfied. It is Pak that has spent a lot of its national energy and resources trying to take Indian Kashmir.

 

[sathya]

@mastankhan

From my understandings,

The present BJP government has set a low threshold for cross border operations ..

Previously dec 13 attack on parliament , Mumbai attacks level evoked response, still retaliation was minuscule

This government for sure gives back retaliation in disproportionate level and for lesser thresholds,
Wants to show if you mess up with big one, be prepared to get big one. Don't expect pity.
tolerance should not be mistaken for weakness.

Even then, pre emptive aggression won't be the case..

Every present generation indian grow up, reading Mahatma Gandhi got independence for us by Unique Non Violence method..
So please don't mistake any class of Indians to be as dangerous as you think.

Be it MODI or anybody if they are doing non sense to the country, they will be thrown out. Our system is stable.
I think modi will be one our best prime minister, still long way to go..

 

[Viper0011.]

Which power on Earth can force us to negotiate. NOT even 100 J 11 's ie ( heavies ) will bring us to the peace table

Instead of just posting bull crap, take a look at your history of bravery. 2002, you guys puss*ed out and went home, 2008, when you had ALL the reasons to start a war, you guys puss*ed out again and went home.

These empty threats like who is going to bring us to the negotiation table is useless crap in today's world. Macho talk is one thing. Macho talk with 0 action is just running your mouth. So next time, try to make some history and THEN say who is going to stop you. Your leaders don't have the back bone or the fire power to take it to the next level. It's a big guy with huge muscles and all....with a weak heart. If he tries to use his muscles, he may have chest pains so its all for people to see.

Last, 100 J-11's or even more -16's will ONLY make it more threatening to cross the border to be frank with you. I can't imagine the image of IAF and moral after losing 50-75 SU-30's......can you?

 

[SQ8]

Yes? Doesn't that confirm what I said? The minister is talking about giving a fitting reply to any border violence or terrorist acts; he is not talking about taking Pakistani Kashmir. As far as the status quo of the territory is concerned, India is more than satisfied. It is Pak that has spent a lot of its national energy and resources trying to take Indian Kashmir.

Nope it does not, in fact.. it only adds onto a new policy that now reflects even in the service chiefs
India wary of assertive China, intrusive Pakistan, IAF chief Arup Raha says - The Times of India

Claiming that India had no territorial ambition except to recover the land lost due to historical reasons, the Indian Air Force chief said with a hostile border left behind as a legacy of the British rule, the situation in the neighbourhood, specially on the western border, was vulnerable.

What an oxymoron of a statement.

 

[Judge]

India is a different nation from the last 6 months---the mindset actually---it is different but that does not mean---smart talk and sharp talk and winning talk will win you a war as well---let the slogans for war may not be the reason for war.

How is it different?

 

[SQ8]

How is it different?

More rapid, more venomous , more intolerant.

 

[Donatello]

I'll let all your talk of starting yet another conflict with India go but stop talking nonsense about the Prime Minister of India. Stop propagating blatant lies about the PM of India. Do not turn this into a anti-Modi thread. I'll leave this topic alone now but please refrain from continuing with this further.

Who the heck are you to tell someone to stop? It is his thread, his board. He can do as he please.