PAF has requested for an increase of 1.5 billion dollar in the budget.

[MystryMan]

No bro you can't compare JF-17 to J-10B with payload, avionics, AESA, IRST and better range

I am not talking about J-10A but J-10B with AESA, IRST, better range and more advanced avionics



No bro J-10C is still in the development phase and not to forget J-10C will induct in PLAAF in numbers than China will Export it to Pakistan and as for J-11D/J-16 they can't export it without Russian permission because it is based on Su-27 which is Russian intellectual property

What u state are facts but there may be some understanding with Russians to allow Flanker variants export to Pakistan from China if they are not providing Su35.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

No bro you can't compare JF-17 to J-10B with payload, avionics, AESA, IRST and better range

I am not talking about J-10A but J-10B with AESA, IRST, better range and more advanced avionics



No bro J-10C is still in the development phase and not to forget J-10C will induct in PLAAF in numbers than China will Export it to Pakistan and as for J-11D/J-16 they can't export it without Russian permission because it is based on Su-27 which is Russian intellectual property

There is nothing russian in j16 other than airframe design that too was ussrs. Russia just inherited it but we won't go their china and pakistan can persuade russia easily in this regard. J16 is need of the hour for us,and our iron brother won't disappoint us have faith

Hmm but testing 400 km+ missiles on j-16 doesn't mean they can't be used in j-10 j-11 jf-17.

Not on jf17 its too long for it and a single missile wont make sense and its radar range will be a bottleneck too.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Request is from PAF so it can not be used for Helicopters as PAA have helicopters for such missions.
It must be some new jets to cope with IAF Rafael Deal.

Request is from PAF so it can not be used for Helicopters as PAA have helicopters for such missions.
It must be some new jets to cope with IAF Rafael Deal.

 

[MilSpec]

Request is from PAF so it can not be used for Helicopters as PAA have helicopters for such missions.
It must be some new jets to cope with IAF Rafael Deal.

Request is from PAF so it can not be used for Helicopters as PAA have helicopters for such missions.
It must be some new jets to cope with IAF Rafael Deal.

given that you are on a defense forum:

Rafale: French origin twin engine omnirole jet fighter.
Rafael: Israeli Aerospace defense company headquartered in Haifa.

the spelling difference is subtle, but the difference in the entities both Involved with IAF is quite massive.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

j16 with ws15 engines will be in a league of its own an ultimate non stealthy super flanker

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Nawaz Sharif: Yeh hain wo zarai , where we will request 3 Billion from

Not sure where that came from however certainly a legitimate request to ask another 1.5 Billion for PAF

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Foxtrot Delta said: ↑
Hmm but testing 400 km+ missiles on j-16 doesn't mean they can't be used in j-10 j-11 jf-17.
I am doubtful about j10 too

 

[313baberali]

something else is cooking up...

I like that something will be American brand.As F16 are available but drop because Pakistan not want to pay heavy for them.US senate stop FMF but not stop the export of hardware.Recent drop in price of F35 is a big news.Sohail Aman looks east and west east is china west is america ,i agree russia is north

 

[Awan68]

I like that something will be American brand.As F16 are available but drop because Pakistan not want to pay heavy for them.US senate stop FMF but not stop the export of hardware.Recent drop in price of F35 is a big news.Sohail Aman looks east and west east is china west is america ,i agree russia is north

O bhai, no offence but thori piya karo, @Hassan Guy , yeh len sir ap ka jurwa bhai mila hi.....and by the way the geography lessons were enlightening

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

By the way mathematically 1.5 Billion is enough for 42 JF17 Block 3 @ around 35 Million each craft

The Total number of craft may be 36 (2 Squadrons)

JF17 Block 3
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Base Package: 25 Million
Block 3 Package: 10 Million / Plane extra features (Engine/ Radar / Avionics)
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Some funds are always allocated for arrival of new Blocks
Is the funding for Thunder & New Planes done seperately ?

Seems to be a normal request for funding for next batch of Block 3 Thunders

Can anyone counter argue that we have already recieved funding for the JF17 Block 3 in previous budget , and the extra request or new request is for seperate stream of plane purchase ?

 

[WarFariX]

What an great analysis... You just take out entire mki fleet just like that in pdf... At least try to Argue with sense.

excuse me...i didnt say that whole mki fleet is taken out....but mki fleet is a danger thhat we can counter completely in next 6 years with just f16s and thunders...u must accept the reality of ur big dinosaur ...try to comapre the ranges of BVR missiles we and u have and also chek the rcs of thunders and mkis and chek the detection and tracking ranges of mkis radars and thunders radars...

 

[313baberali]

It must be some new jets to cope with IAF Rafael Deal.

For me it seems this 1.5 billion is not for new aircrafts because amount is to less for new platform but yes looks like for upgradation of f16s and for new block order recently placed.round about india is paying more than 8 billion for 36+ jets .only time will tell the actual fact

 

[WarFariX]

S 400-
No chance . .. We already inked deal with Russia... Though it's defence platform by the name.

s400 ...hahahahahahaha...inked? hahahahahhahaha adeal ? hahahahahhahahaha ..u r supposed to ink it in late 2017 bro

 

[Awan68]

excuse me...i didnt say that whole mki fleet is taken out....but mki fleet is a danger thhat we can counter completely in next 6 years with just f16s and thunders...u must accept the reality of ur big dinosaur ...try to comapre the ranges of BVR missiles we and u have and also chek the rcs of thunders and mkis and chek the detection and tracking ranges of mkis radars and thunders radars...

They will use the mki's for deep strikes and rafaels for air superiority but im sure paf has a game plan in place, machines win u only 5% of the war...

 

[SecretMission]

No bro you can't compare JF-17 to J-10B with payload, avionics, AESA, IRST and better range

I am not talking about J-10A but J-10B with AESA, IRST, better range and more advanced avionics

1) JF-17got more range than J-10B
Combat Radius: 1350km vs 1000km
Ferry Range: 3500km vs 2500km
2)AESA is coming in Block 3
3)IRST is coming in Block 3

J-10B is only better in Payload which is about 3000kg more than Jf-17 and in block 3 it can increase payload by using more composites easily.

So it doesn't fit anywhere in current scenario.