PAF F-16s Beating The Typhoon

[Imran Khan]

The fact you say poor politicians speaks for itself

today ghq is ruling country from behind the courts . politicians ki kya auqaat hai jab dil chaha nikal diya jab dil kiya bana diya . only military fans can not see it sir rest all the country know it .

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

Thank you for your post again---. I am avid reader of works of fiction about wars and weapons---.

What was assumed by many a work of fiction some 25-30 years ago---I am looking at those things in real time in reality---.

I was a firm believer that the equipment in those works of fictions would be available in one form or the other---and the modern day warfare weapons have seconded my belief---.

In a similar manner---I read about 15-17 years ago that the USAF had taken on a new form of combat traing for its pilots---BVR lock and launch---turn around and scoot---no wvr---. The Usaf had to change the mind and mindset of the pilots to not get into a merge---so importance lay in fighting from your position of strength.

WVR combat is not a position of strength---it evens the odds out at 50/50---so a 100 million dollars machine is vulnerable to a 25 million dollar machine.

So---in a real combat between a Paf f16 and an Italian eurofighter---the solution would be resolved at BVR---the Italian will launch BVR---turn and burn fuel to get out of the arena---.

These days the B-course is very strict when it comes to WVR training for BFM hops. A student has to pass those hops....it is still an important phase of air power.

Or the other way around....

Albeit, much has been written and published about the outcome of confrontations between PAF F-16s and EF Typhoons of an undisclosed country during one of the Anatolian Eagle series of exercises held in Turkey. Most of the details came from a third party with Air forces Monthly magazine being the most authentic source when it published the news in one of it's editions covering the F-16s operational history with the PAF. Again it failed to name the Typhoon operator. There was also an interview allegedly by a PAF pilot carried out by various journals which repeatedly mentioned the RAF as the Typhoon participants in the exercise which in due course proved to be false news. Since PAF like others don't like to make a song and dance about it's achievements during mutual or multi national exercises, it remained unclear as which country's EF Typhoons were repeatedly beaten by the PAF. However over the period, the identity of at least one PAF pilot and the Typhoon operator has emerged in certain sites and narratives along with some images.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/08/eurofighter_beaten_by_f16/

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The real opponent who lost in all three set-ups against the PAF F-16s.

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This issue again...........

 

[帅的一匹]

BVR or WVR?

To know where BLK52 stands, PAF need to do exercise with J20.

 

[Ultima Thule]

BVR or WVR?

To know where BLK52 stands, PAF need to do exercise with J20.

WVR range sir and this incident before BLK-52 get be inducted sir @wanglaokan

 

[Armchair]

In a real fight, a EF will fly high and fast, having greater energy to increase the range of its BVR. It will then fire very long ranged Meteors, turn and scoot. F-16s with the AMRAAM would get the second shot rather than the first shot. They will also have fewer missiles comparatively.

 

[Ultima Thule]

In a real fight, a EF will fly high and fast, having greater energy to increase the range of its BVR. It will then fire very long ranged Meteors, turn and scoot. F-16s with the AMRAAM would get the second shot rather than the first shot. They will also have fewer missiles comparatively.

in WVR mock dog fight and it EF-2000 t-1 which has/had also AMRAAM, meteor is only in sweden arselnal with grippen c/d this exercise in early 2000 but not occurred recently @Armchair

 

[ghazi768]

The jamming will matter when you're trying to get to that one mile distance and build a situational awareness of your environment before engaging. Practically speaking, the two fighters still need to approach each other from distances of X (>1 mile) to have a WVR engagement in the first place. Without TWS, you risk going into a fight blind of all your threats. And that is before even answering how well *our* non-HOBS AAM F-16s will fare against ASRAAM or AIM-9X armed T3s.

I think case of VWR combat was getting discussed..

AESA is not a panacea, in an aircraft it is still a fire control radar, albeit with a far higher refresh/scan rate and resistance to jamming, it is not a replacement for a good search radar on ground or in air. Those are the ones which in current times provide you better SA. HOBS is a worry but not the way it is presented as a make or break issue. Had it been such we would have gone to hell to get it.

Pitting a F-16 blk52 against a T3 or T1 Typhoon. even in BVR, is not like pitting a 3rd generation fighter against a 4th gen fighter. There are differences in equipment but they are not such that one force will overwhelm the other on bases of just equipment.

 

[Windjammer]

This issue again...........

And still people are confused thinking it was RAF. !!!

 

[MastanKhan]

I think case of VWR combat was getting discussed..

AESA is not a panacea, in an aircraft it is still a fire control radar, albeit with a far higher refresh/scan rate and resistance to jamming, it is not a replacement for a good search radar on ground or in air. Those are the ones which in current times provide you better SA. HOBS is a worry but not the way it is presented as a make or break issue. Had it been such we would have gone to hell to get it.

Pitting a F-16 blk52 against a T3 or T1 Typhoon. even in BVR, is not like pitting a 3rd generation fighter against a 4th gen fighter. There are differences in equipment but they are not such that one force will overwhelm the other on bases of just equipment.

Hi,

for the very reasons that you have stated for a lack of superiority of a Typhoon T3---that aircraft won't get into WVR---.

It becomes a 50/50 fight---which is a loser proposition.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Maybe the europeans brought a newbie pilot against pro Pakistani pilot.

 

[Raider 21]

Maybe the europeans brought a newbie pilot against pro Pakistani pilot.

That can happen....and nothing wrong with that. With a brash attitude like that....the Eurofighter pilot most likely learned more than the PAF pilot.

 

[GumNaam]

That can happen....and nothing wrong with that. With a brash attitude like that....the Eurofighter pilot most likely learned more than the PAF pilot.

I doubt it though. The PAF is there to learn, not teach. They must've asked for the best pilot available to tho up against.

 

[MastanKhan]

I doubt it though. The PAF is there to learn, not teach. They must've asked for the best pilot available to tho up against.

Hi,

The Paf loves to SHOW-OFF in these type of exercises---they have always done that and keep doing that---.

The Paf has become a race course pony---.

 

[GumNaam]

Hi,

The Paf loves to SHOW-OFF in these type of exercises---they have always done that and keep doing that---.

The Paf has become a race course pony---.

if you say so...

 

[litman]

after reading comments by some of the members here at PDF it seems PAF has very high rejection rate during selection and training.