PAF F-16 mlu specifications and 36 blk 52+ prospects

[TOPGUN]

we already reject that junk sir i think you dont read forum last month. sh-21 is made in 1959

Yes bro i must have missed it last month.. anyhow good we rejected that junk but i wonder what will replace it if we still want US orgin heli's

 

[Manticore]

PAF F-16s Being Upgraded

The first LOA providing for the production of eighteen F-16C/D Block 52 aircraft is underway: four aircraft will be ready in June 2010; four aircraft in August 2010; five aircraft in October 2010; four aircraft in Dec 2010; and, one aircraft in December 2011. The second LOA provides for munitions and includes: five hundred Raytheon AIM-120C-5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM); seven hundred and fifty Mark 84 2,000lb General Purpose bombs; seven hundred BLU-109 2,000lb Penetrator bombs; 500 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM) tail kits; 1,600 Enhanced Guided Bomb Unit (EGBU) kits; and assorted bomb fuzes and support equipment. These weapons will be available for delivery to Pakistan beginning in June 2010. The third LOA provides for the Mid-Life Update (MLU) of their current fleet of 46 aircraft: four of these aircraft are currently in Fort Worth undergoing Trial Verification Installation, which is part of the mid-life upgrade (MLU) programme. Under the MLU LOA, Pakistan is procuring Falcon STAR structural upgrade kits for the 32 original F-16A/B aircraft and 35 MLU avionics upgrade kits for the current fleet (including three of the recently transferred EDA aircraft). There is an option on the contract to procure 11 additional MLU avionics upgrade kits for the remaining eleven aircraft. Pakistan has not yet exercised this option, but plans to do so at a future date.

The Falcon STAR structural upgrade is very similar to that provided to other F-16A/B customers. Falcon STAR replaces critical structural components in the F-16 required to return the A/B airframes to a structural life of 8,000 spectrum hours. Falcon STAR is thus required to keep the original 32 PAF F-16A/Bs airworthy. The MLU avionics upgrade kits are being designed to provide the PAF’s F-16A/B Block 15s with many of the same capabilities as the new Block 52 F-16s that the PAF is procuring. The MLU kit replaces most of the 1980s avionics in the Block 15s with newer, advanced avionics systems from the Block 52 F-16s. The MLU upgrade kits will include: Northrop Grumman APG-68(V)9 radar; Embedded GPS/INS (EGI); Link-16 data link; APX-113 Advanced Identify Friend or Foe (AIFF); glass cockpit with colour moving map display; ALQ-211(V)9 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suite (AIDEWS) pod; Night Vision Imaging System (NVIS) cockpit and external lighting; Sniper Advanced Targetting Pod; Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS); Reconnaissance Pod capability; improved avionics systems; JDAM capability; EGBU capability; AIM-120 AMRAAM capability; and AGM-84L Harpoon Block 2 capability. While many of the avionics systems and capabilities are common with the new Block 52 F-16s and the MLU, some significant differences remain between the MLU F-16 Block 15s and the new PAF F-16 Block 52s: there are no improvements to the Block 15s’ mission range and loiter time; there are no engine improvements; and, there are no improvements to payload capacity. Overall, the MLU programme will extend the service life of Pakistan’s original F-16 aircraft and very significantly increase the capability of the PAF to conduct close air support and nighttime precision attack missions. Regarding programme status, the first four F-16 MLU aircraft are undergoing work in Fort Worth, Texas now. The USAF’s schedule for delivery of these aircraft is December 2011.


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[pakpower]

Does anyone knows for sure are PAF getting CFT's with F16 Block 52 or not?

 

[Crypto]

Does anyone knows for sure are PAF getting CFT's with F16 Block 52 or not?

Yes CFT's are definitely part of new F16 Bock 52 jets. CFTs are detachable on the ground and depending upon the mission requirement may be installed. Remember CFT does increase drag and can only be detached on the ground.

Our existing F16 which are getting MLU will have all the tech from block 52 minus CFT and new engine.

 

[pakpower]

Yes CFT's are definitely part of new F16 Bock 52 jets. CFTs are detachable on the ground and depending upon the mission requirement may be installed. Remember CFT does increase drag and can only be detached on the ground.

Our existing F16 which are getting MLU will have all the tech from block 52 minus CFT and new engine.

Is there any possibility that we can configure MLU F-16 for the use of CFT's.

 

[blain2]

One clarification about Goodrich DB-110 pods. The older F-16 A/Bs have also been equipped with these pods since they arrived in Pakistan at the beginning of 09. They have been used extensively for operations in the tribal areas.

 

[blain2]

Is there any possibility that we can configure MLU F-16 for the use of CFT's.

No. Secondly, PAF F-16s will not fly with CFTs on routine missions. The CFTs will be employed as and when the need arises as per CAS, PAF. (Source AFM). Meaning that when the air crews are training for long range strike missions etc. I suspect something is afoot to acquire tankers from the US to support the F-16 fleet which would make the CFTs unnecessary inside of Pakistan.

On average, with CFTs loaded, it gives the F-16 an endurance of approximately 3.5-4 hours (this depends on speed, altitude and payload as well).

 

[Manticore]

self delete

 

[Donatello]

No. Secondly, PAF F-16s will not fly with CFTs on routine missions. The CFTs will be employed as and when the need arises as per CAS, PAF. (Source AFM). Meaning that when the air crews are training for long range strike missions etc. I suspect something is afoot to acquire tankers from the US to support the F-16 fleet which would make the CFTs unnecessary inside of Pakistan.

On average, with CFTs loaded, it gives the F-16 an endurance of approximately 3.5-4 hours (this depends on speed, altitude and payload as well).

Considering the smaller size of our airspace it is not a must item, plus does anyone know how it affects the G limit of the aircraft because unlike the external tanks under the plane, these cannot be jettisoned.

 

[Jigs]

a quick question plz..

what are the differences and similarities btw paf blk 50 --to-- Wild Weasel , Block 50/52 Plus specs-- as posted above

Block 50/52 and 50/52+ have a few differences. First the ones ending in 2 like 32 42 etc mean they use PW engines rather then GE ones. (Opinions vary on which ones are better but they are similar in thrust more(USAF maintenance crews) lean towards the GE engines though) As far as the + area that means CFTs APG-68(V9) radars and also JHMCS.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

today is 1st sept.. what happened to the 4 f-16s that were to be delivered in aug?

 

[Jigs]

Considering the smaller size of our airspace it is not a must item, plus does anyone know how it affects the G limit of the aircraft because unlike the external tanks under the plane, these cannot be jettisoned.

Well if PAF equips F-16s with CFTs it would mean for a long range strike role so they will most likely have escorts. Since if they are intercepted before reaching the target(without escorts) it would mean they would have to get rid of the drop tanks and A/G weapons and go into dogfight mode which pretty much ends the mission right there.

 

[BATMAN]

^^Why would F-16 will will be flying with both CFT and drop tank?

 

[Jigs]

^^Why would F-16 will will be flying with both CFT and drop tank?

More Fuel=More Range.

See here.

And here

 

[Donatello]

^^Why would F-16 will will be flying with both CFT and drop tank?

A highly unlikely scenario, because that would mean flying all the way deep into enemy territory. F-16s might have long range with both CFTs an drop tanks on, but their escorts might not. Actually escorts would need more fuel than F-16s that are on air interdiction/attack mission, as escorts will be dog fighting, burning up a lot of fuel.


But the thing is, you can always fly with CFTs on and no drop tanks. That way you still maintain the high G pulls of F-16s. Don't know exactly how much, as CFTs are a new concept for PAF at the moment.