PAF F-16 blk52 Strike Package

[airmarshal]

In his address at the ceremony, the Air Chief expressed satisfaction over the production and quality level of the JF-17 Thunder and said it is at par with the F-16 in terms of performance and operations.

No matter how good JF-17 is, it cant be as good as F-16. This statement of the Air Chief cant be true.

 

[Naif al Hilali]

No matter how good JF-17 is, it cant be as good as F-16. This statement of the Air Chief cant be true.

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

I have found those involved with the JF-17 program have been very honest and accurate in what they have said (including the current Air Chief Marshall).

You can ask Oscar and Bilal Khan 777 if you need further confirmation on the aircraft's abilities.

Please note that performance is not determined by high Mach numbers or turn rates in one small corner of the performance envelope. The JF-17 can nearly keep up with or out-turn the F-16AMs over a wide speed range. It can also nearly climb with the F-16 in the vertical. Please see the discussion at

https://defence.pk/threads/paf-at-zuhai-airshow-2016.457944/page-16#post-8899271

More relevant is that the JF-17 has an even lower Radar Cross Section (RCS) than the already exemplary F-16 and has slightly longer-ranged radar and missiles than the PAF's current F-16 inventory.

The aircraft has about 80% or better of the endurance and range (with a 2,000 pound bomb load) as the F-16A (and about the same as the F-16C Block 52s without CFTs). Please see

https://defence.pk/threads/jf-17s-ferry-and-combat-ranges.462726/

More importantly, as pointed out above you can pick and choose (or design and engineer) all the avionics and weapons you want to integrate on to it. This is a capability far more useful than any arbitrary metric. After all, you fight with your sword and lance, not your horse - the animal just gets you there. Modern infantry is pre-occupied with their rifles, camouflage, and anti-tank and anti-aircraft defense - they don't care about the performance figures of their trucks and APCs.

[joke] And, most importantly, if PAF gets a lot of JF-17's, maybe MK can go to bed at night without worrying about ensuing nightmares of kill switches hunting him down in his sleep. [/Joke]

Thanks for your interest.

Allah keep everyone safe.

 

[Thorough Pro]

"After all, you fight with your sword and lance, not your horse - the animal just gets you there."

Exactly my thoughts but you put them very beautifully.

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

I have found those involved with the JF-17 program have been very honest and accurate in what they have said (including the current Air Chief Marshall).

You can ask Oscar and Bilal Khan 777 if you need further confirmation on the aircraft's abilities.

Please note that performance is not determined by high Mach numbers or turn rates in one small corner of the performance envelope. The JF-17 can nearly keep up with or out-turn the F-16AMs over a wide speed range. It can also nearly climb with the F-16 in the vertical. Please see the discussion at

https://defence.pk/threads/paf-at-zuhai-airshow-2016.457944/page-16#post-8899271

More relevant is that the JF-17 has an even lower Radar Cross Section (RCS) than the already exemplary F-16 and has slightly longer-ranged radar and missiles than the PAF's current F-16 inventory.

The aircraft has about 80% or better of the endurance and range (with a 2,000 pound bomb load) as the F-16A (and about the same as the F-16C Block 52s without CFTs). Please see

https://defence.pk/threads/jf-17s-ferry-and-combat-ranges.462726/

More importantly, as pointed out above you can pick and choose (or design and engineer) all the avionics and weapons you want to integrate on to it. This is a capability far more useful than any arbitrary metric. After all, you fight with your sword and lance, not your horse - the animal just gets you there. Modern infantry is pre-occupied with their rifles, camouflage, and anti-tank and anti-aircraft defense - they don't care about the performance figures of their trucks and APCs.

[joke] And, most importantly, if PAF gets a lot of JF-17's, maybe MK can go to bed at night without worrying about ensuing nightmares of kill switches hunting him down in his sleep. [/Joke]

Thanks for your interest.

Allah keep everyone safe.

 

[SQ8]

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

I have found those involved with the JF-17 program have been very honest and accurate in what they have said (including the current Air Chief Marshall).

You can ask Oscar

No matter how good JF-17 is, it cant be as good as F-16. This statement of the Air Chief cant be true.

Euphemism. But in a nutshell, it has a more forgiving energy dynamics.. loses energy less rapidly as compared to the F-16. We seem to be stuck on basic encompassing terms such as Gee, ITR and STR.. without looking at more complex aerodynamic behaviour.
If there was ever something to try and describe the Jf-17's aerodynamics performance, its the compromise between the F-16 and the F-18.

 

[MastanKhan]

[joke] And, most importantly, if PAF gets a lot of JF-17's, maybe MK can go to bed at night without worrying about ensuing nightmares of kill switches hunting him down in his sleep. [/Joke]

Thanks for your interest.

Allah keep everyone safe.

Hi,

I did not think that you were that thoughtless---but after awhile the reality comes out from behind the facade.

 

[Naif al Hilali]

Hi,

I did not think that you were that thoughtless---but after awhile the reality comes out from behind the facade.

https://defence.pk/threads/vixen-1000e-aesa-with-irst-showcased-at-ideas.462778/page-15#post-8986349

 

[MastanKhan]

"After all, you fight with your sword and lance, not your horse - the animal just gets you there."

Exactly my thoughts but you put them very beautifully.

Hi,

With the death of Bucephelos---ended the conquest of Alexander the great---. The war horse is not Just and Animal----it is the living embodiment of the warrior---a part and parcel of winning or losing the battle. What is a mongol warrior without his horse---!

What is the 2nd WW without the jeep or the current wars without the humvees----.

One must always remember the famous american saying---" in war---the enemy gets to vote as well ".

https://defence.pk/threads/vixen-1000e-aesa-with-irst-showcased-at-ideas.462778/page-15#post-8986349

Hi,

What does that mean---you are talking in riddles---please speak english.

 

[barbarosa]

Hi,

With the death of Bucephelos---ended the conquest of Alexander the great---. The war horse is not Just and Animal----it is the living embodiment of the warrior---a part and parcel of winning or losing the battle. What is a mongol warrior without his horse---!

What is the 2nd WW without the jeep or the current wars without the humvees----.

One must always remember the famous american saying---" in war---the enemy gets to vote as well ".



Hi,

What does that mean---you are talking in riddles---please speak english.

Sir with due respect, we acknowledge the superiority of F16, but I myself looking dark future of F16 in PAF due to USA India are going to a pact of technology transfer of F16, Lock head Martin transfer her F16 factory from Texas to India.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir with due respect, we acknowledge the superiority of F16, but I myself looking dark future of F16 in PAF due to USA India are going to a pact of technology transfer of F16, Lock head Martin transfer her F16 factory from Texas to India.

Hi,

That writing has been on the wall for many a years. As long as India does not get the F16 factory---the F16 is still a very potent aircraft---but once India gets the factory---F16 is done and dusted in its current form---.

The Paf will have to change all the US made electronics and engine management system with a different system.

Some at lockmart would release critical information to the indians---while the ' boss ' looks the other way---.

As I have written many a times---the U S just does not sabotage pakistan without a warning---it gives it ample time and clear warning in a timely manner of what is coming---. The americans are extremely honest about it---they are not hypocrites.

It has always given Paf and Pakistan enough rope---and both have hung themselves in the past and are strangulating themselves now one more time.

For the past 11 years that I have posted here---I doubt it if there has ever been an instance where I was wrong in my assessment about the issue regarding the americans---.

https://defence.pk/threads/vixen-1000e-aesa-with-irst-showcased-at-ideas.462778/page-15#post-8986349

Hi,

In the end---you ended up as worthless a poster as one could---. You flew high for awhile----but the fizzle fizzed out so fast---that was surprising.

You want to compare us with Iran and its procurement---. Means you have no shame in claiming to be defeated---.

I mean to say---we were in a position of strength---the most favored nation---and now we want to be like petty thieves---looking at someone's backyard for needed items---finding open back doors to fulfill our needs---rather than building up the ability and tactics to confront straight ahead and get what is needed---shame on you---for even suggesting it.

 

[Thorough Pro]

@MastanKhan You are contradicting your own arguments in support of Chinese JH7

Hi,

With the death of Bucephelos---ended the conquest of Alexander the great---. The war horse is not Just and Animal----it is the living embodiment of the warrior---a part and parcel of winning or losing the battle. What is a mongol warrior without his horse---!

What is the 2nd WW without the jeep or the current wars without the humvees----.

One must always remember the famous american saying---" in war---the enemy gets to vote as well ".



Hi,

What does that mean---you are talking in riddles---please speak english.

 

[Baloch Pakistani]

Hi,

That writing has been on the wall for many a years. As long as India does not get the F16 factory---the F16 is still a very potent aircraft---but once India gets the factory---F16 is done and dusted in its current form---.

The Paf will have to change all the US made electronics and engine management system with a different system.

Some at lockmart would release critical information to the indians---while the ' boss ' looks the other way---.

As I have written many a times---the U S just does not sabotage pakistan without a warning---it gives it ample time and clear warning in a timely manner of what is coming---. The americans are extremely honest about it---they are not hypocrites.

It has always given Paf and Pakistan enough rope---and both have hung themselves in the past and are strangulating themselves now one more time.

For the past 11 years that I have posted here---I doubt it if there has ever been an instance where I was wrong in my assessment about the issue regarding the americans---.



Hi,

In the end---you ended up as worthless a poster as one could---. You flew high for awhile----but the fizzle fizzed out so fast---that was surprising.

You want to compare us with Iran and its procurement---. Means you have no shame in claiming to be defeated---.

I mean to say---we were in a position of strength---the most favored nation---and now we want to be like petty thieves---looking at someone's backyard for needed items---finding open back doors to fulfill our needs---rather than building up the ability and tactics to confront straight ahead and get what is needed---shame on you---for even suggesting it.

So what will happen to our f16s. USA will not allow us to change radar and other equipment on their plane, so the only option will be to sell these jets to some other country.

 

[Asad-Ali]

Kab jaan chorey gi PAF f16 ki ab to koi new fighter jet sy sare f16 replace kr do yaar

 

[nana41]

PAF should try to convinced new establishment in Washington their contributin in WOT and get more F-16 for them. But what will happen if LM relocate their production line n India, getting any spare will be problematic.

LM production line has last order from Iraq,this order will be met within next year.Teething troubles and wavering requirements of customers with F-35 are also creating production problems.LM needs to keep f-16 production lines open for another 2 years to streamline, restaff and re schedule the entire F-35 program . Pakistan should go for 40 machines and not for one sqdn.BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IT COULD BE A PLOY TO PUT PRESSURE ON INDIA TO ACCEPT F-16 FOR " MAKE IN INDIA "PROJECT.LM WILL NOT SUPPLY THE MACHINES TO PAKISTAN,SHOULD INDIAN ACCEPT THE U S OFFER OF MANUFACTURING F-16.

PAKISTAN WILL BE BETTER OF IF THEY PUT ALL THEIR RESOURCES AND EFFORTS TO BRING JF-17 III UP TO BLOCK52 AND MORE WITH AESA RADAR.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The J-31 is far from being ready for service, what gave you that idea?

And we arent in a hurry mode,there is no stealth threat in the region right now, if you are thinking about FGFA it is 9 year away from now, your all posts are illogical

 

[aliyusuf]

More relevant is that the JF-17 has an even lower Radar Cross Section (RCS) than the already exemplary F-16 and has slightly longer-ranged radar and missiles than the PAF's current F-16 inventory.

Very interesting and significant point Sir!

Over the web I have found references to the RCS of Block-50/52s as being much less than that of the Block-15s. To the extent of being 1.2 m² for the Block-50/52 vs 3 m² for the Block-15 ... i.e. head-on with clean configuration.

Which of these two RCS is JF-17's RCS lower than? Or is it lower than both?

Your response would be greatly appreciated.