PAF could have downed more Indian planes in Pulwama crisis: ex-air chief

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PAF could have downed more Indian planes in Pulwama crisis: ex-air chief​

By Our Correspondent
January 16, 2023



LAHORE: Former Air Chief Marshall Sohail Aman Sunday said Pakistan could have taught India even a bigger lesson during the Pulwama crisis but it displayed restraint as an escalation of the tension was not an objective.

He was delivering a lecture at the Nazriya Pakistan Trust which was the first of a series of “Quaid e Azam Leadership Lectures” launched by the trust devoted to promoting the vision and philosophy of the founding fathers of the nation. Sohail Aman spoke of passion and determination as key elements of leadership and added that the Quaid-e-Azam proved through creation of Pakistan that “nothing is impossible”. He said Pakistan’s superior strategy and decisive leadership had humbled India during the ‘post-Pulwama crisis’ in February 2019, when “we had eight Indian aircraft within our range, with electronic warfare tracking their every move and we could have taught them a bigger lesson, but we didn’t want to escalate.”

Terming ex-ACM Sohail Aman an authentic Pakistani hero, Senator Mushahid Hussain, Vice Chairman of Nazriya Pakistan Trust (NPT), said the Quaid-e-Azam through his leadership based on character, courage and commitment had set a unique example which inspired Muslims and led to the struggle which created Pakistan. “Thanks to the Quaid-e-Azam and the founding fathers, we are today living as free citizens of a free country,” Mushahid Hussain said, underlining that the nation must honour its heroes who are role models for the people of Pakistan. He said the people of Pakistan had guts and the spirit but they were let down by a weak leadership.

He lauded Sohail Aman for building a modern fighting force in the form of the Pakistan Air Force, which gave a befitting reply to Indian aggression in Balakot in February 2019, which was Pakistan’s finest hour, along with the nuclear tests in May 1998.

Presiding over the meeting, NPT Senior Vice Chairman Mian Farooq Altaf talked about various attributes of the Quaid-e-Azam’s leadership, his impeccable integrity and honesty, and uncompromising stand on Pakistan, adding, “the Quaid gave all his property to educational institutions and his family derived no benefit from the creation of Pakistan.” Conversely, today he warned against “worshipping power and money”, as character is more important than these worldly material possessions. Other speakers said Quaid’s leadership based on character, courage and commitment is the key to Pakistan’s turnaround in the future.

PAF could have downed more Indian planes in Pulwama crisis: ex-air chief

LAHORE: Former Air Chief Marshall Sohail Aman Sunday said Pakistan could have taught India even a bigger lesson during the Pulwama crisis but it displayed restraint as an escalation of the tension...

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True

I think we did not push our luck or theirs.

Good call not to escalate

 

[ziaulislam]

The only loss would have been Nerender Modi losing elections.
Lost Kashmir?

Were you planning to pee in tanks..
Because you don't have oil for it to run.

All the oil is in London Mayfair aprt

 

[Destranator]

Only one SU-30MKI was shot as it came too near to the attack team going for the ground bombing.

This is a huge claim. Any evidence? Tail number, debris, name, squadron?

 

[SQ8]

China and Iran will not come near you in the event of war; you can ask any senior here. Turkey..I don't know whether it would like to get directly involved in a conflict.

Just a delusion Pakistanis give themselves to assure themselves - an expanded version of them having no intention to put in effort but saying “Inshallah”

 

[Suriya]

i mean they have everything to do so....aircraft (much in number), pilots, military and political will, casus belli.....everything.

Unless they are really weak in all these aspects, i mean they keep on saying they are big, they are technologically advanced, big economy, big industrial base, military base....imagine what keeps on stopping them from overwhelming us.

That's because India didn't want to escalate after Balakot strike.
Even during the Balakot striike, India officially called it as a non-military target.

India deliberately kept CAPs number very few knowing well PAF was preparing to relataliate, so as to prevent a shooting war. Indian assesment was Pakistan would do symbolic strike, that's what Pakistan did. What changed was the story of Abhinanadan. Here too he miraculously survived and Pakistan smarly returned hm after two days. From there, with ofjectives of both forces fullfilled things deescalted.

Had Abhinandan died or PAF shot down other Indian jet in Indian territory, there would hv been certain retaliation from India resulting in fullfleged war.

 

[Tornado23]

That's because India didn't want to escalate after Balakot strike.
Even during the Balakot striike, India officially called it as a non-militart target.

India delibarely kept CAPs number very few knowing well PAF was preparing to relataliate, so as to prevent a shooting war. Indian assesment was Pakistan would do symbolic strike, that's what Pakistan. What change was the story of Abhinanadan. Here too he miraculously survived and Pakistan smarly returned hm after two days. From there, with ofjectives of both forces fullfilled things deescalted.

Had Abhinandan died or PAF shot down other Indian jet in Indian territory, there would hv been certain retaliation from India resulting in fullfleged war.

 

[PakFactor]

That's because India didn't want to escalate after Balakot strike.
Even during the Balakot striike, India officially called it as a non-militart target.

India delibarely kept CAPs number very few knowing well PAF was preparing to relataliate, so as to prevent a shooting war. Indian assesment was Pakistan would do symbolic strike, that's what Pakistan. What change was the story of Abhinanadan. Here too he miraculously survived and Pakistan smarly returned hm after two days. From there, with ofjectives of both forces fullfilled things deescalted.

Had Abhinandan died or PAF shot down other Indian jet in Indian territory, there would hv been certain retaliation from India resulting in fullfleged war.

Dude, shut up. You're speaking out of that loose rectum; show a doctor to get it stitched again, as that day still haunts you guys to come here and make up fantasies.

 

[Imran Khan]

what sad part was that day blood and deads . india killed own 7 men so GOP stopped it .

 

[Suriya]

Dude, shut up. You're speaking out of that loose rectum; show a doctor to get it stitched again, as that day still haunts you guys to come here and make up fantasies.

Fantasy is the Pakistani delusion that makes Pakistan mess with 6 times bigger India and in that process Pakistan was cut into half.
And Its PM has to say this.

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[GuySajerGD1943]

I don't fault HP exclusively, or PAF in general for its tactics during Balakot bombing. After all any air force would have had to protect all of the airspace. But there was certainly some lack of imaginative decision making. I remember thinking to myself, since Indians have claimed Pakistan sponsored an attack inside a disputed territory, so in response they cannot cross the international border , or they would be seen as aggressors. And boy was I spot on. Even though it would appear impossible for PAF to prioritize the Kashmir region for defensive CAPs and leave the international border less protected, but the sanctity of international border is somewhat different in the eyes of the , and so should have figured out different in terms of planning too.

But still they attacked Pakistan internationally, in Balakot Pakistan proper

You are talking as if Pakistan is some kind of superpower? Pakistan has always been a regional power. What is your expectation of Pakistan?

Pakistan is the only country in the contemporary history that has fought an air battle with a superior adversary, which happens to be 6 times larger than Pakistan, in a very complex air environment (with force multipliers like AEWC/IFR, 4th generation plus aircraft, BVR missiles, complex air defense systems) and to come out on top.

Not to mention that PAF bombed Indian military installions in IOK apart from shooting down SU-30MKI and MIG-21.

Defeatist attitude like yours obviously will not get anything done. There is opportunity to make them pay and forced them to use nuke (they won’t and im 100% certain of that). They’ve turned Pakistan cities into wartime while the sleazy cowards talk about 100 year peace. I’m not trolling.

Turn the heat up on in IOK which will forced them to pay attention to us and take their eyes off China. The US doesn’t want that at all cause it will undermine the greater strategy of encircling China. At that point you negotiate favorable terms to lower the heat. Nerves of steel is needed for this policy. If the Indians want war, which they are itching for regardless, then go to war we must.

Additionally, the Indians will never fight China. Theyre getting all these weapons from the west by claiming it’s for China, but sooner or later will use it against Pakistan. Hell, they’re already talking about capturing Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Hezbollah defeated IDF with Iman, tactics, and a sound strategy while the PAF air chief at the time (another sleazy bastards mocked the Lebanese for crying about their cities getting bombed).

 

[SQ8]

 

[TheSolution]

But still they attacked Pakistan internationally, in Balakot Pakistan proper

Defeatist attitude like yours obviously will not get anything done. There is opportunity to make them pay and forced them to use nuke (they won’t and im 100% certain of that). They’ve turned Pakistan cities into wartime while the sleazy cowards talk about 100 year peace. I’m not trolling.

Turn the heat up on in IOK which will forced them to pay attention to us and take their eyes off China. The US doesn’t want that at all cause it will undermine the greater strategy of encircling China. At that point you negotiate favorable terms to lower the heat. Nerves of steel is needed for this policy. If the Indians want war, which they are itching for regardless, then go to war we must.

Additionally, the coward pagan will never fight China. Theyre getting all these weapons from the west by claiming it’s for China, but sooner or later will use it against Pakistan. Hell, they’re already talking about capturing Asad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan. Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Hezbollah defeated IDF with Iman, tactics, and a sound strategy while the PAF air chief at the time (another sleazy bastards mocked the Lebanese for crying about their cities getting bombed).

You're too broke for war and Pakistan itself has problems it needs to address of it's own

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I don't even think you need to be a seasoned PDF member, it's literally common sense

 

[GuySajerGD1943]

You're too broke for war and Pakistan itself has problems it needs to address of it's own

Then forced all the money that’s stored in western banks to come back or give up GB and Azad Kashmir. News flash, the Indians will taste blood and undo Pakistan at the first chance they get. Maybe that’s the later plan - the Indians likely asked the US to incorporate Pakistan so as to take on China more effectively. The decisions make in the past 11 months kinda reflects that. Mentally break us. How else can you explain such a turn of events in Pakistan in such a short time.

 

[TheSolution]

Then forced all the money that’s stored in western banks to come back or give up GB and Azad Kashmir. News flash, the Indians will taste blood and undo Pakistan at the first chance they get. Maybe that’s the later plan - the Indians likely asked the US to incorporate Pakistan so as to take on China more effectively. The decisions make in the past 11 months kinda reflects that. Mentally break us. How else can you explain such a turn of events in Pakistan in such a short time.

I assume you're talking about laundered money by politicians? That's probably unlikely. But I agree with the second part of your assessment, it's not that far-fetched and could hold some truth.

But Pakistan needs to urgently focus on stabilising and growing it's economy.

To deal with India the nuclear threshold should be raised so they don't interfere in our affairs. And then we need to focus on stabilising Pakistan internally by tackling insurgencies and any societal polarisation present.

Perhaps cut down on some of the army size to free up funding in other areas, this will be possible because the nuclear threshold will be raised.

 

[Tornado23]

Fantasy is the Pakistani delusion that makes Pakistan mess with 6 times bigger India and in that process Pakistan was cut into half.
And Its PM has to say this.

It’s shameful for nuclear power to beg: Shehbaz

LAHORE: Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif Saturday said that it was a matter of shame that we have nuclear bomb in the one hand and a begging bowl in the other.Addressing the passing-out ceremony of...

www.thenews.com.pk

Of course you refer back to 50 years ago. Because you know deep down that you lost the conventional edge militarily against a 6 times smaller nation.

Keep living in the past