PAF could have downed more Indian planes in Pulwama crisis: ex-air chief

[Olympus81]

Array Bhai: Shukar karo, kuchh ho geya. Aaenda yeh bhi naheen ho ga, as the things are going.

LoL bro. Violating IB or LoC is a red line. Even our boys understand that. Agar wo nahi hota to boys ke L lag janey the, public ke haatho.

 

[NooriNuth]

You have to consider the fact that in that particular theatre PAF outnumbered the IAF (probably due to superior tactics, deception and luck) as they attacked in daylight right during the AWACS crossover.

The tables could very well have turned.

Look my argument is this, PAF did a marvelous job, the equilibrium was restored, there was no escalation by the adversary post Swift Retort. Job done. Let’s not go all gung ho and chest thumping.

You have to consider the fact that in that particular theatre PAF outnumbered the IAF (probably due to superior tactics, deception and luck) as they attacked in daylight right during the AWACS crossover.

The tables could very well have turned.

Look my argument is this, PAF did a marvelous job, the equilibrium was restored, there was no escalation by the adversary post Swift Retort. Job done. Let’s not go all gung ho and chest thumping.

So PAF did find a 1.3 times larger Airforce weaknesses and exploited them.
Who told you that those are their only weaknesses?
As the then Air Cheif said that the operation swift retort was one of the many plans PAF Already had in store, practiced it already, and made it into a workable battle plan.
There are plans in place in case the 1.3 times, not even 2 times larger Airforce launched an all out attack.

In a meeting with political leadership before Swift Retort, military bosses gave targets as deep inside India as Delhi, not just an ammunition dump next to the borders.
But were denied.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

My takeaways:

• The PAF had the time, planning and opportunity to show what they wanted to show, and to hide what they wanted to hide.
• It was enough to send the IAF planners back to the "square one" on their drawing board instilling commotion, confusion and delusion into their minds.
• The IAF now has to pay tons of money to the West for their equipment, and they'll keep on milking India. Who is better at that than these colonists?
• The PAF's strategies, planning, tactics, training, procurement, R&D etc. proved to be OK. They're now putting double on what they have been doing.
• No room for complacency for the PAF.
• Etc.

Bottom-line: The PAF compelled Hindutva to taste the fear of death which they consider as defeat. The rest are all details.

 

[ziaulislam]

Escalation would have meant we would have lost Kashmir
As war is fought with money which we don't have.
We have only corruption

 

[NooriNuth]

Escalation would have meant we would have lost Kashmir
As war is fought with money which we don't have.
We have only corruption

The only loss would have been Nerender Modi losing elections.
Lost Kashmir?

 

[Suriya]

In the near future, it will come to know that if the Air Chief had followed orders, all ingressing aircraft of the previous day involved in Balakot strike could have been shot down.

Fact remains, not a single PAF jet came within 100KM of intruding IAF jets.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Fact remains, not a single PAF jet came within 100KM of intruding IAF jets.

So - how does that reconcile with the IAF claim that a Mig21 "shoot down an F16" with a WVR missile if that level of separation was in the theatre at that time?

 

[Suriya]

Modi went on to say Rafale hota to hamri ijjat bach jati sasura.

It was in the context of alleged Rafale scam which Indian opposition and Rahul Gandhi had made main election plank in 2019 elections.


@PanzerKiel India had signed Rafale deal in year 2017 two years before Balakot, so those who say India was forced to buy Rafale after Balakot are misinformed.

So - how does that reconcile with the IAF claim that a Mig21 "shoot down an F16" with a WVR missile if that level of separation was in the theatre at that time?

I'm talking about Balakot surgical airstrike done by IAF in previous day's night.

 

[PanzerKiel]

@PanzerKiel India had signed Rafale deal in year 2017 two years before Balakot, so those who say India was forced to buy Rafale after Balakot are misinformed.

In that case, IAF would have been better off to bide their time and launch the Balakot airstrike with Rafales in the lead in 2020 or 2021, this would have further enabled IAF to maybe counter PAF counter strike with Rafales as well. Tough choice for IAF i guess, and of course it didnt pay off in 2019.

 

[Suriya]

People who claim that a war would've started had 8 additional planes been shot down clearly don't have a good understanding of how things work in the real life. Obviously they'll just claim that they shot down 18 Pakistanis jets, get a bunch of people to repeat it on Twitter nonstop for 10 years, and call it a day.

India isn't single party CCP ruled China.

A single photo,video and any other eveidence in the hands of the opposition in India that negates the narrarive of the govt would have ruined the chances of the ruling party in that election year.

 

[Wesen Hunter]

Empty vessels make a lot of noise.

Fact is despite having a 6:1 numerical advantage (12 F-16 vs 2 Su-30), PAF failed to make even a scratch on any Sukhois or Mirage 2K.

Only casualty was a 40 year old rusty Mig 21 which was hardly worth more than it's scrap value.

 

[Suriya]

In that case, IAF would have been better off to bide their time and launch the Balakot airstrike with Rafales in the lead in 2020 or 2021, this would have further enabled IAF to maybe counter PAF counter strike with Rafales as well. Tough choice for IAF i guess, and of course it didnt pay off in 2019.

Balakot strike was in response to Pulwama attack which happened a month before. It wasn't planned in anyway.

 

[PakFactor]

Empty vessels make a lot of noise.

Fact is despite having a 6:1 numerical advantage (12 F-16 vs 2 Su-30), PAF failed to make even a scratch on any Sukhois or Mirage 2K.

Only casualty was a 40 year old rusty Mig 21 which was hardly worth more than it's scrap value.

That cope is strong in you. Lol

 

[PanzerKiel]

Fact is despite having a 6:1 numerical advantage (12 F-16 vs 2 Su-30)

For someone related to military, this itself (your quoted text above) speaks volumes. For PAF, Converting a 1 to 3 inferiority into a 6 to 1 majority at the time of battle is something which military planners can only hope for centuries, and very few of them still managed to get it.....imagine the amount of planning, tactics, deception etc which went in to achieve all this!

For me, even this is enough.

Balakot strike was in response to Pulwama attack which happened a month before. It wasn't planned in anyway.

Thats what my point is. IAF should have waited for newer aircraft.

 

[Suriya]

IAF still today has the option of responding in the form of bombing multiple level HQs we have in AK (unit, brigade, division, dumps etc), just like we hammered theirs in IOK. But they havent done anything yet. Talk about effects.....

Well, first Pakistan have to give India good reasons it could sell in the West and to Saudis to attack Pakistan. India don't want to be seem as a warmonger.
You didn't hammer anything except empty fields, some bombs didn't even explode so IA had to dispose them.