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p 17 & type 052c comparison

i'll give you a comparison

052c
build rates are something like this
29 April 2003 18 July 2004

p17
build rates are something like this
18 April 2003 29 April 2010

oh and the 1st 052D is about to be launched and the "large" destroyer project is expected to come online in several years.
 
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i'll give you a comparison

052c
build rates are something like this
29 April 2003 18 July 2004

p17
build rates are something like this
18 April 2003 29 April 2010

oh and the 1st 052D is about to be launched and the "large" destroyer project is expected to come online in several years.

Ignorance at its best. Let me show you some light.

Type 052D vs Kolkata class
Armament:
1 x PJ-38 130mm gun vs 1 x 100 mm AK-100 gun
64 VLS vs 4× 4-cell BrahMos UVLM
30 mm remote controlled gun vs 2× 32-cell VLS Barak 8
Type 730 CIWS vs CIWS: 4AK-630 gatling guns + 4× 8 cell Barak 1
6 torpedo tubes vs Torpedo tubes and 2× RBU-6000
Now let see whether they have genuine reply.
 
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Nirbhay land attack cruise missile (1,000 km range), the hypersonic Brahmos-2 anti-ship cruise missile (300 km range) and Extended Range Surface to Air Missile (ER-SAM) also known as Barak 8 (70 km range).
These weapons will be used on Kolkata class destroyers.

(p 17) 90% weapons import from Foreign countries

I feel so shame on India :tdown::lol::lol:

You should read post 44 but if you still dumb enough to not read that. I will post right here.
Here you go.

1st these ships are being built in India by India itself. It's big feet if you can understand its motives & advantages.
2nd Basic design of Project 76 was done by the Navy's Directorate of Naval Design (DND), with a detailed designed developed by MDL.
3rd To overcome the lack of steel supply, DRDO and Steel Authority of India Limited (SAIL) indigenously designed and developed the AB-grade steel required.
4th thing BEL APARNA HUMSA (Hull Mounted Sonar Array) is indigenous.
5th BEL Ajanta electronic warfare suite is indigenous.
6th VLS launched BrahMos, anti-ship cruise missiles is joint ventured product of India-russia.
7th Barak SAM launchers are joint ventured product of India-israel.
8th HAL Dhruv is our indigenous helicopter onboard P17.
9th Fire Control Systems (FCS) developed by DRDO and built by BEL is being used on the Shivalik class frigates.
10th The CODOG gearboxes were designed and built by Elecon Engineering indigenously.
11th Furnishings were manufactured in India by the marine division of Godrej indigenously.
12th The CPP and associated shafting are being supplied by John Crane-LIPS (Netherlands) through their Indian partner, Goa Shipyard Limited (GSL). The LM2500 plant is rated at approximately 18,000 kW (24,000+ hp) and would be assembled by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).
13th The order for the first three ship sets of two 16 PA6 STC engines was placed by MDL to the Pielstick Indian licensee, Kirloskar Oil Engines Ltd. (KOEL) at the beginning of 2000. The first two engines will be manufactured in France by S.E.M.T. Pielstick, while the subsequent engines will be manufactured in India by KOEL in their Nasik engine plant.
15th Steering gear and stabilizers are supplied by Veljan Hydair.
16th The DG sets were assembled at Wartsila Khopoli Plant. All the components of the DG sets are bought-out items. Engines are being procured from Cummins' Pune plant, alternators are from KEC Bangalore plant.
17th Switchboards for the machinery and electrical systems are being supplied by G.E. Power Controls in Bangalore.
18th Larsen & Toubro Engineering provides the helicopter land grid for the vessel.
19th The main gun on the P17 is a 76.2 mm Super Rapid Gun Mount (SRGM) made under license from OTO Melara of Italy.
20th Fire control radar for the SSMs is by a Garpun Bal.
21th One mast mounted Bharat Electronics EON-51 EO director for gunfire control.
22th Electronic warfare (EW) suite is the powerful Ellora system with active jamming capability against multiple threats.
23rd The Kavach decoy launchers are locally designed and built by OFB.
24th Navigation systems comprise two BEL RASHMI (Radar Aid for InSHore and Harbor Manoeuvring in I-band) and three COTS navigation radars.
25th The Combat Management System (CMS-17) is a locally developed system (by WESEE).The architecture of CMS-17 is a major improvement over legacy Indian developed systems
26th A large portion of the communications system, CCS Mk2, is of Indian origin with equipment coming from BEL and elsewhere. A Link 2 datalink is standard equipment.
27th Habitability standards are luxurious to the extent that the modular Godrej- Boyce supplied living quarters are spacious, and heads (washrooms) are very well appointed, much like a boutique hotel.
Indigenization
It is clear that considerable effort has been made to transfer technologies from foreign partners to Indian companies. However, one must take statements regarding the level of indigenization, typically 60-70%, on board the P17 frigates with a grain of salt. In any project of this magnitude, it is helpful to keep in mind that the process of indigenization is a gradual one and is certainly dependent on how one defines 'Indian made equipment'. If one were to adhere to the definition of indigenous equipment as 'designed & made in India', then very little of the equipment would qualify as such.

All in all, this is a very capable warship. It is a generation ahead of extant warships in Indian naval service. It's design also serves as a basis for future surface combatants going forward. It will be more than adequate to counter regional threats and to protect India's vital sea lanes.
Let's see what is you opinion now?
 
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P-17 is actually 70% indigenous and only 30% is from abroad. The level of
Indian components keeps on growing in the coming years. For example, the
INS Shivalik (first ship of P-17 class) commissioned in 2010 had only 45% indigenous
stuff, but the INS Shayadri (third ship in class) commissioned in 2012 had 70%
Indian components.
 
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i'll give you a comparison

052c
build rates are something like this
29 April 2003 18 July 2004

p17
build rates are something like this
18 April 2003 29 April 2010

oh and the 1st 052D is about to be launched and the "large" destroyer project is expected to come online in several years.

Your posts are BS.

Check the arsenals of IN v/s PLAN concerning modern stealth-optimized
guided missile frigates. PLAN is going to get some 16 Type-054A frigates,
while India will get 10 Talwar-class FFGs and 3 Shivalik-class FFGs, that's
a total of 13 modern frigates.

In addition, don't forget there are 7 more FFGs of P-17A class (advanced
version of P-17) under construction, 4 at MDL Mumbai and 3 at GRSE Kolkata.
That would bring the number of stealth FFGs upto 20+ within 2020.

The Talwar-class FFGs are broadly equivalent to Type-054A, probably ahead
of 054A due to the more capable armament the Talwars carry (BrahMos PJ-10),
while Shivalik P-17 is an outright superior.

The points India loses in numbers is nullified with quality and capability of
each ship,,,but funny thing I'm seeing here, how does PLAN think of competing
with the US Navy with these ?? China says that US is it's main target, when and
if that is true, PLAN should have been in neck-to-neck competition with USN in
both numbers and quality, and much much ahead of IN. Which it sadly isn't,,,
you're only comparable to IN, Uncle Sam is simply beyond your reach.
 
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Your posts are BS.

Check the arsenals of IN v/s PLAN concerning modern stealth-optimized
guided missile frigates. PLAN is going to get some 16 Type-054A frigates,
while India will get 10 Talwar-class FFGs and 3 Shivalik-class FFGs, that's
a total of 13 modern frigates.

In addition, don't forget there are 7 more FFGs of P-17A class (advanced
version of P-17) under construction, 4 at MDL Mumbai and 3 at GRSE Kolkata.
That would bring the number of stealth FFGs upto 20+ within 2020.

The Talwar-class FFGs are broadly equivalent to Type-054A, probably ahead
of 054A due to the more capable armament the Talwars carry (BrahMos PJ-10),
while Shivalik P-17 is an outright superior.

The points India loses in numbers is nullified with quality and capability of
each ship
,,,but funny thing I'm seeing here, how does PLAN think of competing
with the US Navy with these ?? China says that US is it's main target, when and
if that is true, PLAN should have been in neck-to-neck competition with USN in
both numbers and quality, and much much ahead of IN. Which it sadly isn't,,,
you're only comparable to IN, Uncle Sam is simply beyond your reach.

Type-052D will trounce anything in the upcoming Indian arsenal.

It has a second-generation AESA radar and should be broadly equivalent in capability to Type-045 or the newer Arleigh Burke's(not as much VLS though).

Another Indian wet-dream of having a technological edge over the Chinese over.
 
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If you compare P17 with US navy, than it just shows you are not credible. First, you must compare with the Chinese, and then Russian and other European.

Let me tell you something very straight...the Indian Navy's lead frigate, made in
India is most obviously superior to the Chinese Navy's lead frigate, made in China.

And then after that you can compare with the US.

Good. Now tell the same thing to Chinamen. It's laughable how they think they
can compare with the US when Indians, Russians, and Europeans can all build
better warships than China.:lol:

If there is ever any conflict between US and India, its a good idea for Indian ships to take shelter in Pakistani ports to avoid complete losses.

I don't think Pakistani ports are large enough to house our frigates & destroyers.
The Chinese have done a gory job upgrading their facilities, I think they can only
house those F-22P Zulfiqar FFGs,,,India has Offshore Patrol Vessels bigger
than those "frigates".

And furthermore...I really don't think a country called Pakistan will still be there
by the time India & USA actually go to war.

Same with Indian planes.

No thank you...we've all seen how "safe" aircraft based in Pakistan are:lol:

Taliban destroy two Pakistani P-3C Orions | flightglobal.com

Surveillance aircraft SAAB Erieye damaged in airbase attack | firstpost.com

When they can't defend against stupid gun-trotting terrorists, how will they defend
against the US Armed Forces?:lol: You seem stupid.

Type-052D will trounce anything in the upcoming Indian arsenal.

It has a second-generation AESA radar and should be broadly equivalent in capability to Type-045 or the newer Arleigh Burke's(not as much VLS though).

Another Indian wet-dream of having a technological edge over the Chinese over.

Please inform me how so.

Type-052D, in my honest opinion, doesn't really cross the 8k ton displacement
mark,,,while our upcoming P-15B DDGs are likley to end up with 8000-8500tons
and I'm skeptical about 052D's armament capability.

P-15B carries 16+ Hypersonic ASCMs...while 052D would be carrying 8 Subsonic
missiles, I really don't think 052D can match off against P-15B. 052D can
only compare against the P-15A that we're gonna commission in the next
6 months. Don't dump your BS here. I know India can build better ships
than China, we've already proven that we can make better FFGs than China in
2010,,,by 2013 we'll also prove that we can make better DDGs than China.
As well as Corvettes & OPVs too. So STFU,,,don't sell your soul to the devil,
Pakistan did that with USA and is now paying the price for it, still it hasn't
learnt a lesson and is selling itself to China...I thought Bangladeshis have a
bigger brain than Pakistanis. But now it appears that you don't.
 
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Type-052D will trounce anything in the upcoming Indian arsenal.

It has a second-generation AESA radar and should be broadly equivalent in capability to Type-045 or the newer Arleigh Burke's(not as much VLS though).

Another Indian wet-dream of having a technological edge over the Chinese over.

CCp fanboy.................
 
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Type-052D will trounce anything in the upcoming Indian arsenal.

It has a second-generation AESA radar and should be broadly equivalent in capability to Type-045 or the newer Arleigh Burke's(not as much VLS though).

Another Indian wet-dream of having a technological edge over the Chinese over.
Next generation shipborne AESA radar pure liquid cooling system
vs
IAI EL/M-2248 MF-STAR Multi-mission radar (Active Electronically Scanned Array)

Why do these Chinese kids thinks that India will field its strongest platform without AESA.
Oh yes. It's Israeli if don't know.
 
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Your posts are BS.

Check the arsenals of IN v/s PLAN concerning modern stealth-optimized
guided missile frigates. PLAN is going to get some 16 Type-054A frigates,
while India will get 10 Talwar-class FFGs and 3 Shivalik-class FFGs, that's
a total of 13 modern frigates.

In addition, don't forget there are 7 more FFGs of P-17A class (advanced
version of P-17) under construction, 4 at MDL Mumbai and 3 at GRSE Kolkata.
That would bring the number of stealth FFGs upto 20+ within 2020......

Did you time travel from history?
 
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lol indians here cant contradict the facts i posted about the build times so they go with things like,

our FUTURE fleet is... while china's CURRENT fleet is...
or
build time look bad so we will only compared areas where we look not as bad

oh lols, you guys asked for a comparison, explain why build times isn't a valid comparison while comparing what china has NOW with what india plans to get in the next 10-15 years is valid?

fact is even if the 2 ships are completely equal, we have far more, build much faster, and while you still talk about when you will commission more than 3, our next generation replacement is already in the water, the generation after that is having its technology prototyped, the generation after that is on the drawing boards.

Ignorance at its best. Let me show you some light.

Type 052D vs Kolkata class
Armament:
1 x PJ-38 130mm gun vs 1 x 100 mm AK-100 gun
64 VLS vs 4× 4-cell BrahMos UVLM
30 mm remote controlled gun vs 2× 32-cell VLS Barak 8
Type 730 CIWS vs CIWS: 4AK-630 gatling guns + 4× 8 cell Barak 1
6 torpedo tubes vs Torpedo tubes and 2× RBU-6000
Now let see whether they have genuine reply.

lol the topic says to compare the p-17 to the 052C, and you go and posts some spec from the 052D and the P-15 class?
whats the saying here? oh right "Ignorance at its best"

in addition the info on the 052D is incomplete at best(i know you got ur info from wiki). we dont know if it really has 64 vls or if it will carry anti-ship missile in the vls or not, frankly we still not 100% sure the ciws is the 730,

and frankly your comparisons are wrong to begin with
since the vls is speculated to be able to launch everything from long range sams to cruise missiles you dont compare things like 30 mm remote gun vs barak8, because the vls takes care of barak8's job in the 052D
in fact it would be more like this: vls vs. barak-8, brahmos and possibly barak-1
and more importantly, smaller missile can be quad packed in the vls meaning it could be 64 vls *but be packing 256 missiles

what we do know though : the vast majority of the system on board the 052D is made in china, the p-15 other the other hand...
 
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