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Owners Pride - The Killer : IAF Su - 30 MKI

lol..... nothing Beats Israeli when it comes to Electronics Warfare and Counter EW.... thats why you tries to get Israeli Phalcon Radar even when your country already developing/ developed AESA.

MKI also getting new technology which is going for Russia's 5th Gen Plane. i.e. new engines/ Radar etc ...
Israel cancelled the Phalcon radar contract under UsA's pressure, we have to develop on our own. The newly indegenous state of art AESA radar had been installed on the KJ2000 AWACS. The solid state AESA don't need to rotate for scanning. We Chinese are really smart and hard working, we don't like lip service.

lol..... nothing Beats Israeli when it comes to Electronics Warfare and Counter EW.... thats why you tries to get Israeli Phalcon Radar even when your country already developing/ developed AESA.

MKI also getting new technology which is going for Russia's 5th Gen Plane. i.e. new engines/ Radar etc ...
After so many years, you still have to buy Russian tech to update MKI. You are not making any progress in the last 10 years.
 
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In some extent, India is not qualified to be China's opponent yet. You don't have enough hardworking and determination. You do have potential, that's all you have got now.
 
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Israel cancelled the Phalcon radar contract under UsA's pressure, we have to develop on our own. The newly indegenous state of art AESA radar had been installed on the KJ2000 AWACS. The solid state AESA don't need to rotate for scanning. We Chinese are really smart and hard working, we don't like lip service.

After so many years, you still have to buy Russian tech to update MKI. You are not making any progress in the last 10 years.

AESA we also have developed and now in process of handing over to IAF. We respect OEM's and don't ditch them by copying it, thats why Russia Share us their every tech, including Nuclear Subs ;)

Now Russian AF buying MKI as they find it best SU's till now.
 
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AESA we also have developed and now in process of handing over to IAF. We respect OEM's and don't ditch them by copying it, thats why Russia Share us their every tech, including Nuclear Subs ;)

Now Russian AF buying MKI as they find it best SU's till now.
you test the immature platform for 10years plus, the russians shall pay you .
 
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The Killer Looks of The Ultimate Machine : IAF Su - 30 MKI

Mid-Air engine failures of Sukhoi-30MKI
IAF has been encountering for the past two years

(M A I N N E W S)
tribune exclusive Su-30MKI engine failures worry IAF; Russia told to fix snag Ajay Banerjee
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, July 20, 2014.
The Sukhoi-30MKI fleet of the Indian Air Force has been encountering mid-air engine failures for the past two years. India has officially flagged the matter to Russia seeking a correction.
 
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The Sukhoi-30MKI fleet of the Indian Air Force has been encountering mid-air engine failures for the past two years. India has officially flagged the matter to Russia seeking a correction.

FYI It has 2 engines
 
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FYI It has 2 engines
O.K then you read full story of The Tribune of Chandigarh
tribune exclusive Su-30MKI engine failures worry IAF; Russia told to fix snag Ajay Banerjee
Tribune News Service


New Delhi, July 20, 2014
The Sukhoi-30MKI fleet of the Indian Air Force has been encountering mid-air engine failures for the past two years. India has officially flagged the matter to Russia seeking a correction.

Repeated engine failures and the newly introduced precautionary measures have affected the availability of planes for various operations. The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois.

After a failure, the engine is replaced after testing before allowing the plane to fly again. The process of removing and replacing an engine usually takes four-five days, but can be extended depending upon the damage.

As a stopgap arrangement, the Russian side had suggested some measures.

The IAF has so far not arrived at a conclusion of its findings, but as a precautionary step, it has started servicing the engine after 700 hours instead of the mandated 1,000 hours of flying, adding to the non-availability of the aircraft.

Sources said the matter was taken up at the India-Russia meeting in June this year and also in February when a Russian delegation visited the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited's (HAL's) Sukhoi-30MKI plant at Nashik.

The IAF had told Russians after studying each failure in detail that Sukhoi's engines - AL-31FP produced by NPO Saturn of Russia - had been functioning inconsistently for the past two years (2012 and 2013). The number of single-engine landings by planes in two years is high and not healthy. It lowers the operational ability of the fleet, besides raising questions about war readiness, said sources.

A single-engine landing is necessitated after one of the power plants fails mid-air. The Sukhoi-30MKI is a twin-engine plane and a mid-air failure of one of its engines means the second engine allows it to land. Such a situation would be unacceptable during a conflict when the pilot would need an optimum speed to attack or to withdraw after an attack. The power of both engines is required to lift eight tonne of payload - missiles and rockets.

The exact number of such engine burnouts and percentage of fleet that is not available for flying at any point of time are being held back from publication in the newspaper as it would adversely impact national security. Had the Sukhoi-30MKI been a single-engine plane, like the MiG 21, all engine burnouts would have led to crashes, in some case death of pilots and the resultant furore.

The IAF and the Ministry and Defence have always considered the Sukhoi as a "safe and reliable" warplane. So far, only four have crashed since phased- induction in 1997. A pilot had died in the first crash in 2009 and at least one of the crashes is attributed to engine trouble.

Sukhoi enjoys air superiority because of its powerful engine. In horizontal flight, it can fly 2,400 km/hr or achieve a rate of climb of 230 m/s. The engines, specialised with thrust vectoring control, improves the aircraft manoeuvrability.

In northern and western India, the Sukhoi-30MKI is based at Bathinda, Halwara near Ludhiana, Sirsa, Bareilly, Jodhpur and Bhuj.

Single-engine landings high

    • The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois
    • Repeated engine failures have affected the availability of Su-30MKIs
    • It takes four-five days to remove and replace the engine
    • Single-engine landings by Su-30MKIs in two years is high
    • As a precautionary step, the IAF has started servicing the engine after 700 flying hrs instead 1,000 hrs

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A single-engine landing is necessitated after one of the power plants fails mid-air. The Sukhoi-30MKI is a twin-engine plane and a mid-air failure of one of its engines means the second engine allows it to land.

here you have it

see this too

As a precautionary step, the IAF has started servicing the engine after 700 flying hrs instead 1,000 hrs
 
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here you have it
see this too
The IAF has so far not arrived at a conclusion of its findings, but as a precautionary step, it has started servicing the engine after 700 hours instead of the mandated 1,000 hours of flying, adding to the non-availability of the aircraft…. The IAF had told Russians after studying each failure in detail that Sukhoi’s engines – AL-31FP produced by NPO Saturn of Russia – had been functioning inconsistently for the past two years (2012 and 2013). The number of single-engine landings by planes in two years is high and not healthy. It lowers the operational ability of the fleet, besides raising questions about war readiness, said sources.”

i have seen a few post here and have talked in detail with an IAF Squad leaders who flies these jeta a few things he siad was all that i could remmber

(THE TRIBUNE, CHANDIGARH) M A I N N E W S
tribune exclusive Su-30MKI engine failures worry IAF; Russia told to fix snag Ajay Banerjee
Tribune News Service


New Delhi, July 20, 2014.
The Sukhoi-30MKI fleet of the Indian Air Force has been encountering mid-air engine failures for the past two years. India has officially flagged the matter to Russia seeking a correction.

Repeated engine failures and the newly introduced precautionary measures have affected the availability of planes for various operations. The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois.

After a failure, the engine is replaced after testing before allowing the plane to fly again. The process of removing and replacing an engine usually takes four-five days, but can be extended depending upon the damage.

As a stopgap arrangement, the Russian side had suggested some measures.

The IAF has so far not arrived at a conclusion of its findings, but as a precautionary step, it has started servicing the engine after 700 hours instead of the mandated 1,000 hours of flying, adding to the non-availability of the aircraft.

Sources said the matter was taken up at the India-Russia meeting in June this year and also in February when a Russian delegation visited the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited's (HAL's) Sukhoi-30MKI plant at Nashik.

The IAF had told Russians after studying each failure in detail that Sukhoi's engines - AL-31FP produced by NPO Saturn of Russia - had been functioning inconsistently for the past two years (2012 and 2013). The number of single-engine landings by planes in two years is high and not healthy. It lowers the operational ability of the fleet, besides raising questions about war readiness, said sources.

A single-engine landing is necessitated after one of the power plants fails mid-air. The Sukhoi-30MKI is a twin-engine plane and a mid-air failure of one of its engines means the second engine allows it to land. Such a situation would be unacceptable during a conflict when the pilot would need an optimum speed to attack or to withdraw after an attack. The power of both engines is required to lift eight tonne of payload - missiles and rockets.

The exact number of such engine burnouts and percentage of fleet that is not available for flying at any point of time are being held back from publication in the newspaper as it would adversely impact national security. Had the Sukhoi-30MKI been a single-engine plane, like the MiG 21, all engine burnouts would have led to crashes, in some case death of pilots and the resultant furore.

The IAF and the Ministry and Defence have always considered the Sukhoi as a "safe and reliable" warplane. So far, only four have crashed since phased- induction in 1997. A pilot had died in the first crash in 2009 and at least one of the crashes is attributed to engine trouble.

Sukhoi enjoys air superiority because of its powerful engine. In horizontal flight, it can fly 2,400 km/hr or achieve a rate of climb of 230 m/s. The engines, specialised with thrust vectoring control, improves the aircraft manoeuvrability.

In northern and western India, the Sukhoi-30MKI is based at Bathinda, Halwara near Ludhiana, Sirsa, Bareilly, Jodhpur and Bhuj.

Single-engine landings high

    • The IAF has a fleet of 200 Sukhois
    • Repeated engine failures have affected the availability of Su-30MKIs
    • It takes four-five days to remove and replace the engine
    • Single-engine landings by Su-30MKIs in two years is high
    • As a precautionary step, the IAF has started servicing the engine after 700 flying hrs instead 1,000 hrs
 
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The IAF has so far not arrived at a conclusion of its findings, but as a precautionary step, it has started servicing the engine after 700 hours instead of the mandated 1,000 hours of flying, adding to the non-availability of the aircraft…. The IAF had told Russians after studying each failure in detail that Sukhoi’s engines – AL-31FP produced by NPO Saturn of Russia – had been functioning inconsistently for the past two years (2012 and 2013). The number of single-engine landings by planes in two years is high and not healthy. It lowers the operational ability of the fleet, besides raising questions about war readiness, said sources.”

I can read.Dont post this again & again.

MKI sold to India is testbed for Russian air force.

stupidest thing I've ever heard

@Munir
 
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Nice pics :tup:

Although the thread title is like an invitation for a troll feast
Sir here i am not for any kind of troll but can discuss the realities.
the reality is the IAF facing the mid air engine failure problems since last two years in SU30MKI
 
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The appearance of canards on MKI is to balance the over weight of BARs radar, and India suffers from lots of sabotage from those immature advanced tech like TVC . The Russian air force induct Su30SM without canards.
 
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@Munir

About MKI having more indigenous avionics content...

The Su-30MKI contains substantial percentage of Indian designed and manufactured avionics. They took six years to develop from start to MKI. Advanced avionics were developed by DRDO under a project code named "Vetrivale" (a Tamil name for the victorious lance carried by the youthful Lord Karthikeya or Murugan, a son of Parvati and Shiva) in close collaboration with the PSUs and the IAF. Indian avionics have been received and acknowledged enthusiastically by the Russian principals.

The following are the components developed by Indian agencies:

  • Mission Computer cum Display Processor - MC-486 and DP-30MK (Defence Avionics Research Establishment - DARE)
  • Radar Computer - RC1 and RC2 (DARE)
  • Tarang Mk2 Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) + High Accuracy Direction Finding Module (HADF) (DARE
  • IFF-1410A - Identification Friend or Foe (IFF)
  • Integrated Communication suite INCOM 1210A (HAL)
  • Radar Altimeter - RAM-1701 (HAL)
  • Programmable Signal Processor (PSP) - (LRDE)
  • Multi Function Displays (MFD) - Samtel/DARE


The 32-bit Mission Computer performs mission-oriented computations, flight management, reconfiguration-cum-redundancy management and in-flight systems self-tests. In compliance with MIL-STD-1521 and 2167A standards, Ada language has been adopted for the mission computer's software. The other DARE-developed product, the Tarang Mk2 (Tranquil) radar warning receiver, is manufactured by state-owned BEL at its Bangalore facility.

These avionics equipment have also been certified for their airworthiness in meeting the demanding standards of Russian military aviation. The cumulative value of such indigenous avionic equipment is estimated to exceed Rs. 250 lakhs per aircraft. Since the core avionics were developed by a single agency (DRDO) - they have significant commonality of hardware and software amongst them using a modular approach to design. This obviously results in major cost and time savings in development; it also benefits the user in maintenance and spares inventories.

The DRDO has gone a step further and come out with a new design of the Core Avionics Computer (CAC) which can be used with a single module adaptation across many other aircraft platforms. Thus the CAC which is derived from the computers designed for the Su-30MKI will now be the centre piece of the avionics upgrades for the MiG-27 and Jaguar aircraft as well. The CAC was demonstrated by DRDO at the Aero India exhibition at Yelahanka and attracted a good deal of international attention. Taken together with the systems already developed indigenously for the LCA (such as the Digital Flight Control Computer and HUD), clearly Indian avionics have a significant export potential in the burgeoning global market for avionics modernisation.

Now what exactly do we make in FDI ? nearly the entire fighter-including its engines

HAL is manufacturing the aircraft from the raw material phase and till date has produced 150 aircraft. HAL has manufactured approximately 43,000 components in airframe and 6,300 components for engines. Twenty six special technologies have also been absorbed and mastered. With this, 70 per cent components are now made in India by HAL with 100 per cent technology absorption as per the contract in airframe and engine.

HAL, IAF, ministry working on defence needs | Business Standard News


Products in Current Manufacturing Range

Source: HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions | Page 636


AL-31 FP engine

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AL-31FP is a high temperature turbojet by-pass engine of modular design. A specific feature of AL-31FP is an axi-symmetric vectoring nozzle with a thrust vector angle of ±15° in the vertical plane providing super maneuverability of the aircraft. The vectoring nozzle control is integrated with the engine control system. AL-31FP engines ensure stable operation in all available evolutions of the aircraft in super maneuverability modes. AL-31FP engines power advanced multi-purpose Su-30 MKI fighters of the 4+ generation


Welcome to Engine Division, Koraput of HAL
 
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