Ouran and Siyer was the Elective in Turkish Schools

[Cem_]

@Somebozo

Thumbs up for Turkey

Sanada Thumbs up..

 

[Luffy 500]

A very good move by AKP and a good news for turkey. Turkey has come a long way from the
repressive kelamist ideology.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

cheap alawi propaganda, they can not directly say that we are against Kuran lessons in schools and BSing. what do you expect a party which has an armenian alawi leader?

Alevis who are mostly Türkmen have suffered under Ottoman rule and under Turkish Republic. instead of blaming them, help them to improve their place in the society.

i have sympathy for them. Yunus, Hacı Bektaş etc.. are my values as well. Cause i am a Turk as well. Dont judge all Alevis by looking to some crypto Kurds/Armenians. They Kurds/Armenians are using Alevism to divide Turks.

 

[Selim I]

@Selim I

Well, well look what we have here, another emotional retard has joined to thread.. Welcome, welcome, bi sen eksiktin.

"Emtotional retard" and Quasar thanks him as well. Cem/Quasar/Deno, are you all atheists? Just a question.

Being Muslim is equally being a "retarded idiot" or "brain dead" according to Cem. I read the entire thread yesterday, and it is very clear that Cem is only here to curse and flame people, he clearly has nothing to contribute with in any way. Just spreading hatred in this thread, like Anti Muslims today in Århus (Denmark) will spread hatred.

 

[LegionnairE]

Stop getting personal and stay focused on thread can't we? All you do is calling us communists/atheists. Neither that makes you right nor it makes you perfect muslims. If nobody's objective there is no point in debating.

just saying, regards

 

[Deno]

"Emtotional retard" and Quasar thanks him as well. Cem/Quasar/Deno, are you all atheists? Just a question.

Being Muslim is equally being a "retarded idiot" or "brain dead" according to Cem. I read the entire thread yesterday, and it is very clear that Cem is only here to curse and flame people, he clearly has nothing to contribute with in any way. Just spreading hatred in this thread, like Anti Muslims today in Århus (Denmark) will spread hatred.

Nope, it is not about being muslim... It is about rejecting the facts I posted and blaming me with being unreligious or any other stuff which I am proud of actually.

I am an atheist and actually really really proud of but that does not change the fact that what I said was true and AKP did a corrupt thing. Just because you fanboys are extreme enough to reject the FACTS....

He propavly called you emotional retard because of that and not because of you are muslims...

 

[Deno]

What difference does it make? Who gives you the right to judge people as you please? How come their beliefs become your business? You dont even recognize and respect the beliefs of your own countrymen what the hell are you doing in international forums?

Just go and be with people who are like you who's holding you back?

Common, you don't even need to comment on that ridiculus and to be blunt idiotic post... He used ''Alavi'' as an insult... Nothing new here... He is just a extremist but I was actually suprised that he showed himself as sectarian as well

 

[BordoEnes]

See, I told this would happend. Practicly war between Kemalist and Islamist.

 

[Deno]

See, I told this would happend. Practicly war between Kemalist and Islamist.

War Dude... I presented FACTS and they called me names and become agrassive... It is easy as that... No war

 

[Zulkarneyn]

The thing you call a "fact" is an extremely cheap propoganda by CHP for their opposition to islam being taught in the schools. CHP has always been staunchly against Islam, that should not come as a surprise to anyone (if it does, do some reality check). The fact is the new system is 4+4+4 and the fact is Quran and siyer will be optional lectures in school from this day on. And your cheap CHP manufactered propaganda is only childrens play. The only good thing CHP is good at is going to the courts and returning empty hand. Good luck with that...

 

[Selim I]

Nope, it is not about being muslim... It is about rejecting the facts I posted and blaming me with being unreligious or any other stuff which I am proud of actually.

I am an atheist and actually really really proud of but that does not change the fact that what I said was true and AKP did a corrupt thing. Just because you fanboys are extreme enough to reject the FACTS....

He propavly called you emotional retard because of that and not because of you are muslims...

What I observed when I read this thread was your negative position to the call of the parliament regarding elective subjects as Qur'an and "Siyer" courses, because you believe there is something going on under the table, and that AKP is making $20 bn (totally absurd amount of money) profit out of it. There are certain things which you have to elaborate when you make such a statement.

When you were being asked to elaborate, your answer was continiously "do you think I am a free enclypedia?". If I made a falsy statement without explaining what it was based on and telling people who asked me to elaborate myself, the dumbest answer I could give would be "do you think I am a free enclypedia?". Due to three reasons:

#1: It shows you don't know what you are talking about
#2: It is clear you have no solid proof of what you are talking about (probably some propoganda or weak conspiracy theory).
#3: You try to avoid the answer with cheap tricks (changing subject or refraining to elaborating yourself).

This is actually called Fitnah. Right now you made a very big Fitnah about the government, trying to make a vast profit out of this new agreement in the parliament.

And to give you an idea of what $20 bn is, I'll give you some example:
- It equals 100 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II (Unit cost: F-35A: US$197 million (weapons system flyaway cost, 2012))

Or:

- 1000 General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon (Unit cost: F-16C/D: US$18.8 million (1998 dollars))


Now tell me a reason not to reject the "facts" you were stating. (Very laughable "facts", even a primary school student would see the difference between facts and hypothesis or weak conspiracy theory)

 

[BaybarsHan]

bad days for kemalist No more north Korean shows

 

[Alienoz_TR]

I suppose Cem/Quasar/Deno is Alavi who unconscious on their belief..

What are U trying to achieve by labeling some secularists you dont like "Alevi"??

It was Yesevi, Bektashi Türkmens who made Anatolia Muslim, not Sünni Arabs or Kurds. i personally think being an Alevi is a honor. May Allah give us all the spirits of those who made Anatolia the Turkey.

 

[LegionnairE]

It simply isn't government's job to teach people religion. And if government decides to do it, it has to give teachings of all religions equally. Untill today there was information about other religions in books(a page or two) but at least there was.

Erdogan says he is defending secularism when he is cornered but the fact is he only wants his religion to dominate and rule the country. I was very happy when he told muslim brothers in Egypt to embrace a secular approach. I thought something was changed about him but now im totally disappointed.

Still they cant be as bigoted as muslim brothers and other political parties in islamic countries as such but Turkey deserves better adminstration.

Back to topic:
I regret my decision when choosing my high school branch at the age of 15. It is horrible to force a child in age of 10 to make a decision this serious. Certainly religious families will send their childeren to imam hatip schools and they wont have any initiative. I wonder what this will accomplish.

 

[LegionnairE]

Good, perhaps my lecture worked after all this is the first time you appear to be a sane person rather than a bigoted hot-head. Always try to stay as logical as possible my friend. Flaming wont get you nowhere...