Ouran and Siyer was the Elective in Turkish Schools

[Deno]

majority doesnt want to learn torah and bible, majority wants to learn quran

This country treats every citizen equel... This means that if something is given to majority, same thing also should apply to minority..

 

[Cem_]

@Zulkarneyn

People like you can't understand siyer.

After Deno's explanation i do already understand it, but indeed for people like me there are more important things to understand than to understand ''siyer'' one of them being the homeland's ''independence'' but Europe worshipping empty headed extremists like you can't understand meaning of homeland, nation or ''independence''.

Edit: Typo

 

[forummurat]

Btw what is a ''Siyer''?

I guess it was a translation ''error''

Siyer=The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.)

 

[Cem_]

Siyer=The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.)

This is okay, only the timing of it is clearly to cover up certain things.. What i'm trying to say is the action might be good.. but their intention was not.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Nice tactics to divert peoples attention, everythime when their curroption is unmasked they come up with this kind of changes.. We're already used to it.. they can only fool some retarded idiots like Zulkarneyn and brain deads folks like BordoEnes.

Deno what a true myopic character you are is demonstrated once again. You start with accusing me of ignorance and other things. But you don't have anything to answer and thus can't say a word. But once someone (cem) calls me and bordoenes "retarded idiot" and "brain dead" you go on and thank his post.
God you are such a low character, i didn't knew you were this low. It seems honesty is a luxury rarely found among kemalists . The only person who truly demonstrates a true character while being a devout fan of Mustafa Kemal are few (Cabatli is one). You are such disgrace to Turkey and Turkish people. How do you even live with yourself? Guess its better to ignore you and your kinds, this forum has been a witness to that countless of times.

Edit: @Deno if you want to be taken seriously be consistent with your posts and try to eloborate your accusations (lies). Or else honest people will spot how much of a hypocritical character you are.
Ok after reading post #24 i see you are a lost case.

@Cem you are ignored after calling me braindead and retarded idiot, so don't expect anything. Only expect from Deno, people like her likes your kind.

 

[darkinsky]

This country treats every citizen equel... This means that if something is given to majority, same thing also should apply to minority..

but majority elects the government 8-] andmajority passes the law, and since the opposition has also supported then you shouldnt whine

 

[Musalman]

Quran and Seerat
Siyer = Seerat (meaning Hadith and life of the Prophet(SAW))

 

[Deno]

Deno what a true myopic character you are is demonstrated once again. You start with accusing me of ignorance and other things. But you don't have anything to answer and thus can't say a word. But once someone (cem) calls me and bordoenes "retarded idiot" and "brain dead" you go on and thank his post.
God you are such a low character, i didn't knew you were this low. It seems honesty is a luxury rarely found among kemalists . The only person who truly demonstrates a true character while being a devout fan of Mustafa Kemal are few. You are such disgrace to Turkey and Turkish people. How do you even live with yourself? Guess its better to ignore you and your kinds, this forum has been a witness to that countless of times.

I wasn't even going to dignify this post with an answer but...

You really stated to sound like Iranians who call every critism ''Zionist'' and Jews who calls every critism ''Anti-Semitism'' Do I look like a free encyclopaedia to you? Go search for yourself...

This tactic used by many politicians and people who seek power to cover up their corruption...

Kardak Crisis by Tansu Ciller

Helping Balkan muslims and Scarf Ban by Necmettin Erbakan

PKK conflict by Mesut Yılmaz

Fear of Islamism by Deniz Baykal

Fear of Communism by Every MHP leader

Scarf ban, Imam Hatip High Schools, Conflict with Israel and now this by AKP...

Quran and Seerat
Siyer = Seerat (meaning Hadith and life of the Prophet(SAW))

Not just the phropet but every religious leader and ruler including the phropet.

 

[Cem_]

@Zulkarneyn

Deno what a true myopic character you are is demonstrated once again. You start with accusing me of ignorance and other things. But you don't have anything to answer and thus can't say a word. But once someone (cem) calls me and bordoenes "retarded idiot" and "brain dead" you go on and thank his post.
God you are such a low character, i didn't knew you were this low. It seems honesty is a luxury rarely found among kemalists . The only person who truly demonstrates a true character while being a devout fan of Mustafa Kemal are few (Cabatli is one). You are such disgrace to Turkey and Turkish people. How do you even live with yourself? Guess its better to ignore you and your kinds, this forum has been a witness to that countless of times.

Ah don't get emotional now, Deno was just stating the facts when you responded with slander and then you get even more emotional and start slandering heavier all over again.. It shows how hateful you are.. Hope you don't get cancer?

 

[Zulkarneyn]

I wasn't even going to dignify this post with an answer but...

You really stated to sound like Iranians who call every critism ''Zionist'' and Jews who calls every critism ''Anti-Semitism'' Do I look like a free encyclopaedia to you? Go search for yourself...

This tactic used by many politicians and people who seek power to cover up their corruption...

Kardak Crisis by Tansu Ciller

Helping Balkan muslims and Scarf Ban by Necmettin Erbakan

PKK conflict by Mesut Yılmaz

Fear of Islamism by Deniz Baykal

Fear of Communism by Every MHP leader

Scarf ban, Imam Hatip High Schools, Conflict with Israel and now this by AKP...



Not just the phropet but every religious leader and ruler including the phropet.

Look at who comes up with conspiracy theories and label the bill as this or that and then look at who is obsessed with conspiracies. We know that you are not a Muslim (as you have said several times) but that doesn't equal that every Muslim on the street is an extremist. This bill is definately a step in the right direction, whoever wants to be taught Quran and Siyer can have the lectures, in the end its optional so why are you burning up so much?

 

[Deno]

Look at who comes up with conspiracy theories and label the bill as this or that and then look at who is obsessed with conspiracies. We know that you are not a Muslim (as you have said several times) but that doesn't equal that every Muslim on the street is an extremist. This bill is definately a step in the right direction, whoever wants to be taught Quran and Siyer can have the lectures, in the end its optional so why are you burning up so much?

You are just being a troll now... Does this come to you as burning or anything?

No, no don't get me wrong I have no problem with Ouran being tought at schools as long as they don't use this argument as a tool to mask their corruption... And of course, Bible and Tohar should be tought to.. Turkey is a secular country, there should be no difference between Christians, Jews and Muslims. If muslims holy book will be a elective lesson than Bible and Torah should be too.

What you called conspiracy theories are thought in political science.... There was a study in US that showed that when you confront a radical with facts that backs up your argument, they would become more heated and more binded to their own beliefs and become more violent... Just like you are now...

 

[Zulkarneyn]

You are just being a troll now... Does this come to you as burning or anything?



What you called conspiracy theories are thought in political science.... There was a study in US that showed that when you confront a radical with facts that backs up your argument, they would become more heated and more binded to their own beliefs and become more violent... Just like you are now...

That is exactly my point. There is no factuality in your post regarding the alleged billions of dollars you are talking about. So why don't you look at the mirror and do a proper research before accusing people of this or that? The only person (beside cem, whom is completely ignored for obvious reasons) who speak of non-documented claims is you. I am still waiting for a proper answer for post #7.

 

[Deno]

That is exactly my point. There is no factuality in your post regarding the alleged billions of dollars you are talking about. So why don't you look at the mirror and do a proper research before accusing people of this or that? The only person (beside cem, whom is completely ignored for obvious reasons) who speak of non-documented claims is you. I am still waiting for a proper answer for post #7.

I already told you that I am not a free encyclopaedia but again I had to post this because of your ignorance of Turkey's daily life and your laziness to search for that simply by googling...

With this article, AKP also stoped the tenders for school books... Now the goverment will decide to give whomever they want for the what price they want rather than the original and democratic way of tender...

 

[Zulkarneyn]

I already told you that I am not a free encyclopaedia but again I had to post this because of your ignorance of Turkey's daily life and your laziness to search for that simply by googling...

With this article, AKP also stoped the tenders for school books... Now the goverment will decide to give whomever they want for the what price they want rather than the original and democratic way of tender...

Still makes no sense. What are you seriously talking about, private schools gets some fund by the state, and state schools all get equal amount of funds (books etc). An elaboration would be appreciated, you can't keep calling me ignorant without giving a proper explanation as to what the heck you are talking about even without providing any sources whatsoever. Seems like you need some education on reference work.

 

[Deno]

Still makes no sense. What are you seriously talking about, private schools gets some fund by the state, and state schools all get equal amount of funds (books etc). An elaboration would be appreciated, you can't keep calling me ignorant without giving a proper explanation as to what the heck you are talking about even without providing any sources whatsoever. Seems like you need some education on reference work.

Normally, choosing of school books would be done with tender... Every company (approved by M.E.B) that wants to sell its version would join in tender and the offer with lesser price would be choosen for obvious reasons... Now with this article, there won't be any tender... Thanks to this article goverment will choose whoever they want without democracy... Do you think this is not corruption...


P.S: I didn't use ''ignorant'' as its literal meaning rather than you serious lack of knowledge when it comes to daily life of Turkish people...