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You should go back and read this post by MastanKhan (here)

As long as US sees a threat emanating from any region around the world, it will be on its toes to carry such an operation without any hesitation and second thoughts. No need to build up a new villain ... there are plenty in the neighborhood ;)

and WHO will it be for who they will carry out such an operation again ?!? tell me WHO is left of the same villanous stature as Osama bin Laden

basically they could justify the official killing od bin laden in such a manner because of who he was built up top be for anyone else it will be very difficult to do such a thing again as there will be very little political value in it

and if this starts happening on a regular basis .. that US troops enter Pakistan in such manner .. it could lead to open war between the US and Pakistan.
 
The hornet is dead, near the nest

Dr Mohammad Taqi

The Pakistani brass was caught red-handed and was not given an option to say no to the operation. But the Pakistani deep state still does not get it, for its ideological sympathies are elsewhere

Doveryai, no proveryai! This Russian proverb, meaning ‘trust, but verify’, popularised by Vladimir Lenin and later by Ronald Reagan, has not rung truer than in the events surrounding the assassination of Osama bin Laden (OBL) earlier this week. And we may see it applied much more intensely in the months to come.

Phone calls from friends in Abbottabad about an ongoing military action there, were enough to suggest that something big was happening in what the locals had always believed to be an ISI-run facility, but the e-mail news alert from The Wall Street Journal announcing OBL’s death was still a major surprise. Against the norms of punditry, this time one hoped that we were wrong and this was not happening in Pakistan. But it was, and yes, we now stand vindicated: all of us who had been saying and writing for years that the US’s most wanted man was not under the protection of any major Pashtun tribe but was guarded by the clan that has anointed itself as the guardians of Pakistan’s ‘ideological’ and geographical frontiers. It is this same clan that had actually codified in its curriculum that “you are the selected lords; you are the cream of the nation”. Where else could this syllabus have been taught but at the Pakistan Military Academy, Kakul — less than a mile from OBL’s last lair?

There is no polite way of saying it but these masters of Pakistan’s fortunes got egg on their face and that too with the whole world watching. A Peshawarite calling in on a television show said it most aptly: “Koilay ki dallali mein haath to kalay hotay hein per moonh bhi kala hota hai” (Those, whose business is foul, not only get their hands dirty but a blackened face too). But they still have the nerve to say with a straight face that a million-dollar fortress under their nose had been “off their radar”!

Not only that but they also have the gall to mobilise the right-wing media to create the smokescreen of sovereignty yet again while simultaneously playing up their ‘role’ in support of the US action in Abbottabad. The world, however, is not buying that in a cantonment city, the army — which keeps track of every inch of land around its facilities — did not know what was going on in the high-walled compound next to its primary training academy. The paid spin masters will have to do better than this. No matter what President Asif Zardari or his ghostwriter is made to say in op-ed articles in US papers, it is the top brass that is under scrutiny. Using the civilian political leadership as the human shield is not going to work, as the calculus has changed dramatically.

Barack Obama’s token acknowledgment of Pakistan’s non-specific cooperation is being construed by the Pakistani establishment and its minions to imply that the US can be taken for a ride again. It is too early for the specifics to surface but conversations with several sources in Washington and Pakistan point only to the deep mistrust that the US has had vis-à-vis Pakistan. There was no deal initiated by General Shuja Pasha to ‘trade in’ OBL for a bigger Pakistani role in Afghanistan. On the contrary, in response to the chest thumping by the Pakistani security establishment and its ultra right-wing political acolytes, they were confronted with damning evidence about the Haqqani network and possibly the Quetta Shura, while the OBL lead was not shared. The no-fly zone over Pakistan was created through phone calls, minutes after the OBL operation got underway. While the Pakistani brass is clutching at straws like blaming the ‘two Pashtun guards’ for protecting OBL’s compound, it was caught red-handed and was not given an option to say no to the operation. But the Pakistani deep state still does not get it, for its ideological sympathies are elsewhere.

Hillary Clinton’s nuanced diplomatic statements notwithstanding, the mood of the US leadership is almost reflective of the immediate post-9/11 days and was conveyed well by Senator Carl Levin in his remark: “(Pakistan has) a lot of explaining to do ... I think the army and the intelligence of Pakistan have plenty of questions that they should be answering.” In a complete paradigm shift, any leverage that the Pakistani junta was hoping to gain from the bravado that started with the Raymond Davis affair has been lost completely. What will follow is a steady demand within the US to hold Pakistan’s feet to the fire. While maintaining a semblance of a working relationship, a very tough line will be adopted in private. The question bound to come up is not just why Pakistan was hanging on to OBL but also if there was any connection of its operatives to the 9/11 tragedy.

From a tactical standpoint, the OBL operation is likely to serve as a template for future action against the jihadist leadership hiding in Pakistan, especially with General David Petraeus assuming his new role in the near future. To get closer to the strategic objective of a certain level of stability within Afghanistan and potentially a political reconciliation there, it is imperative for the US to neutralise the next two key hurdles, i.e. the Quetta Shura and the Haqqani network. Both these entities have so far been able to evade the US’s reach, thanks to the Pakistani security establishment’s patronage.

Members of the Haqqani clan have been roaming freely in the vicinity of Islamabad, Rawalpindi and Peshawar. Khalil Haqqani has conducted several meetings in the previous few months to broker the ‘peace deal’ for the Kurram Agency. It is inconceivable that he could act without the knowledge of the Pakistani security agencies. Similarly, Quetta is home to the Pakistan Army’s XII Corps, ISI regional headquarters, the Balochistan Frontier Corps, an army recruitment centre, the Pakistan Air Force base Samungli and the Pakistan Army’s prestigious Command and Staff College. One wonders if the Pakistani brass would still be able to say that they do not know the whereabouts of Mullah Omar.

A window of opportunity perhaps still exists for Pakistan to make a clean break with the past but its incoherent blame-game and constantly changing story says otherwise. The Pakistani establishment has given the world very little reason to trust it without verifying — unless, of course, another hornet is to be missed hiding near a major nest.

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The Army lovers in Dawn News were waiting for the time they can show there love for the Army.
 
The americans will lead the charge in blowing hot and cold over this for some time to come untill they are faced with the following realities

1. what's the end game in afghanistan and the next election
2. the state of the US dollar
3. Rising fuel prices

Do you really think that US is hurting with the rising fuel prices? Do you know of the transfer pricing mechanism that they use to pay for the fuel to KSA? Give that angle a break. Who do you think is really hurting due to the rising fuel costs. Where is the manufacturing growth in and increasing fuel usage in the world?

And regarding the USD levels. We need to be level headed my friend. Which country will go down if the USD goes down? Who has the most external debt to USA?

And regarding the next election, it is in BHO's interest to keep the activity going. He is winning and his CIA team has the left and right andas in their hands. Pakistan is in a place that they have always magically avoided to this day. The rock and the hard on.
 
BTW Osama was having the great time there .

He had three wives who say they have been living there for SIX years.

They are roughly 14 kid all aged less than nine.

Its honeymoon jihad for OBL. courtesy who??

 
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Zwahiri doesnt have the same stature as bin laden had as the super villan
 
and WHO will it be for who they will carry out such an operation again ?!? tell me WHO is left of the same villanous stature as Osama bin Laden

basically they could justify the official killing od bin laden in such a manner because of who he was built up top be for anyone else it will be very difficult to do such a thing again as there will be very little political value in it

and if this starts happening on a regular basis .. that US troops enter Pakistan in such manner .. it could lead to open war between the US and Pakistan.

I think that US is going after the credibility of Pakistani army. OBL meeting with his 72 was only a small step in that direction. The objective as it seems to be rolling ahead is to make Pakistan unusable for China. Give this a thought, US has the highest strategic involvement with Pakistan today. Seems like "Keep the friends close and the enemies closest". Any thoughts?
 
Do you really think that US is hurting with the rising fuel prices? Do you know of the transfer pricing mechanism that they use to pay for the fuel to KSA? Give that angle a break. Who do you think is really hurting due to the rising fuel costs. Where is the manufacturing growth in and increasing fuel usage in the world?

And regarding the USD levels. We need to be level headed my friend. Which country will go down if the USD goes down? Who has the most external debt to USA?

And regarding the next election, it is in BHO's interest to keep the activity going. He is winning and his CIA team has the left and right andas in their hands. Pakistan is in a place that they have always magically avoided to this day. The rock and the hard on.

I know indians are very keen that the afghan occupation continues but the american public is not , there was an article in CNN written by Wesley Clark about three reasons that the war in afghansitan should go on and there was a string of comments from US citizen that simply dont want to be be there anymore.
 
Probably thats the only victory you can claim out of this whole sequence of events.... :tdown:

you indians are desperate enough to imagine the defeat scenarios for us pakistanis, any damage to pakistani gives you more pleasure than your wives in your bed
 
BTW Osama was having the great time there .

He had three wives who say they have been living there for SIX years.

They are roughly 14 kid all aged less than nine.

Its honeymoon jihad for OBL. courtesy who??

you indians are so stupid, go drink some holy cow urine to get some sense
 
"Keep the friends close and the enemies closest". Any thoughts?

yeah thats why we contunue to keep the americans involved and give them a cookie when they are really crying and whining.
 
Pakistan's air defense system was not working when U.S. helicopters entered Pakistan?? or they used some sort of stealth tech like stealth helos?:usflag:
 
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