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Now the Pakistan Government is worried that India will try and replicate a similar operation. oh for God sake we in India is not far behind you guys in terms of National Security and alertness and our technologies are also far behind and vulnerable. India even if it wants to, at least not in the next one decade is not capable of undergoing a similar operation for various reasons... Technology, Political Resolve etc...
 
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I think numbers are much larger than you have quoted. every susceptible person from masoom child to old one is a terrorists if he can be easily brainwashed along with relatives to offer himself/herself in the for Jihad in the way of Allah(SWT).Religion is that opium which can convert any simple child/person into terrorist

Yes I agree, but there is a very large category who are vulnerable to brainwash due to various reasons... Can we eradicate these reasons so that every individual in this world can take a more sane decision. This includes all countries and citizens.
 
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if OBL is long dead then why Pak govt is silent about it when their name is being tarnished internally and externally. Its a failure on PAK govt. in Pakistani opinion as well as world opinion.

Pakistan government is silent because of two reasons:

1. The civilian government is always the fall guy for the deeds of the army and the ISI. You could see Salman Bashir at the Kabul conference to just get a hint of the helplessness that they are currently finding themselves in. They anyway have nothing to say except for feeble requests of leeway on this situation.
2. The army is silent because everything that they say has the potential to come back and haunt them immediately and hence expose their ridiculousness pronto. This is a very dynamic situation and Pakistan army or ISI has not control over it. Best to tide it out till they can see some semblance of control arising. The army as an institution is diminishing in credibility with every exposed lie and they know it. They have never been this weak internally since 71 and the potential fallout of this situation on their hold on Pakistan governance can be disastorous. They also know very well that a lot of information was siezed from the guest of honor's raid and sanity will say that even the ISI does not know what information US got away with.

Expect further silence aberrated with a few jingoistic water testing statements to check the mood in the country before they make a firm statement on the future course.

And anyway it is true in life that sometimes the best course of action is to do no action at all!
 
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Earlier Agnostic was asking why anybody should find where Osama was living to be worthy of any kind of question or suspicion, the piece below is from the Dawn news paper -- notice while the neighbors that something was of kilter, police, Intelligence bureau, ISI and military police did not - what's the river in Egypt?? :


Bin Laden’s neighbours noticed unusual things

AP


ABBOTTABAD: When a woman involved in a polio vaccine drive turned up at Osama bin Laden’s hideaway, she remarked to the men behind the high walls about the expensive SUVs parked inside. The men took the vaccine, apparently to administer to the 23 children at the compound, and told her to go away.

The terror chief and his family kept well hidden behind thick walls in this northwestern hill town they shared with thousands of Pakistani soldiers. But glimpses of their life are emerging – along with deep skepticism that authorities didn’t know they were there.

Although the house is large, it was unclear how three dozen people could have lived there with any degree of comfort.

Neighbours said they knew little about those inside in the compound but bin Laden apparently depended on two men who would routinely emerge to run errands or to a neighborhood gathering, such as a funeral. There were conflicting details about the men’s identities. Several people said they were known as Tariq and Arshad Khan and had identified themselves as cousins from elsewhere in northwestern Pakistan. Others gave different names and believed they were brothers.

Arshad was the oldest, and both spoke multiple languages, including Pashto and Urdu, which are common here, residents said.

As Navy SEALs swept through the compound early Monday, they handcuffed those they encountered with plastic zip ties and pressed on in pursuit of bin Laden. After killing the terror leader, his son and two others, they doubled back to move nine women and 23 children away from the compound, according to US officials.

Those survivors of the raid are now ”in safe hands and being looked after in accordance to the law,” the Pakistani government said in a statement. ”As per policy, they will be handed over to their countries of origin.” It did not elaborate.

Also unclear was why bin Laden chose Abbottabad, though at least two other top al-Qaida leaders have sheltered in this town. The bustling streets are dotted with buildings left over from British colonial days. These days it attracts some tourists, but is known mostly as a garrison town wealthier than many others in Pakistan.

Bin Laden found it safe enough to stay for up to six years, according to US officials, a stunning length of time to remain in one place right under the noses of a US-funded army that had ostensibly been trying to track him down. Most intelligence assessments believed him to be along the Afghan-Pakistan border, perhaps in a cave.

Construction of the three-story house began about seven years ago, locals said. People initially were curious about the heavily fortified compound – which had walls as high as 18 feet topped with barbed wire – but over time they just grew to believe the family inside was deeply religious and conservative.

The Pakistani government also pushed back at suggestions that security forces were sheltering bin Laden or failed to spot suspicious signs.

”It needs to be appreciated that many houses (in the northwest) have high boundary walls, in line with their culture of privacy and security,” the government said. ”Houses with such layout and structural details are not a rarity.”

The house has been described as a mansion, even a luxury one, but from the outside it is nothing specia
l. Bin Laden may have well have been able to take in a view of the hills from secluded spots in the garden, though.

The walls are stained with mold, trees are in the garden and the windows are hidden. US officials said the house had no internet or phone connection to reduce the risk of electronic surveillance. They also said residents burned their trash to avoid collection.

Those who live nearby said the people in bin Laden’s compound rarely strayed outside. Most were unaware that foreigners – bin Laden and his family are Arabs – were living there.


Khurshid Bibi, in her 70s, said one man living in the compound had given her a lift to the market in the rain. She said her grandchildren played with the kids in the house and that the adults there gave them rabbits as a gift.

But the occupants also attracted criticism.

”People were skeptical in this neighborhood about this place and these guys. They used to gossip, say they were smugglers or drug dealers. People would complain that even with such a big house they didn’t invite the poor or distribute charity,” said Mashood Khan, a 45-year-old farmer.

Questions persisted about how authorities could not have known who was living in the compound, especially since it was close to a prestigious military academy.

As in other Pakistani towns, hotels in Abbottabad are supposed to report the presence of foreigners to the police, as are estate agents. Abbottabad police chief Mohammed Naeem said the police followed the procedures but ”human error cannot be avoided.”

Reporters were allowed to get as far as the walls of the compound for the first time, but the doors were sealed shut and police were in no mood to open them.

Neighbours showed off small parts of what appeared to be a U.S. helicopter that malfunctioned and was disabled by the American strike team as it retreated. A small servant’s room outside the perimeter showed signs of violent entry and a brisk search. Clothes and bedding had been tossed aside. A wall clock was on the floor, the time stuck at 2:20.

Abbottabad has so far been spared the terrorist bombings that have scarred much of Pakistan over the last four years.

Like many Pakistani towns where the army has a strong presence, Abbottabad is well-manicured, and has solid infrastructure. Street signs tell residents to “Love Pakistan.” The city also is known for its good schools, including some that were originally established by Christian missionaries.

Little girls wear veils while carrying Hannah Montana backpacks to school. Many houses in the outlying areas have modern amenities, but lie along streets covered with trash. Shepherds herd their flock of sheep along dusty roads just a few hundred yards from modern banks.


Al-Qaida’s No. 3, Abu Faraj al-Libi, lived in the town before his arrest in 2005 elsewhere in northwest Pakistan, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials. Earlier this year, Indonesian terror suspect Umar Patek was nabbed at a house in the town following the arrest of an al-Qaida courier who worked at the post office. It is not clear whether Patek had any links with bin Laden.

Western officials have long regarded Pakistani security forces with suspicion, chiefly over their links to militants fighting in Afghanistan. Last year, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton caused anger in Pakistan when she said she found it “hard to believe” that no one in Islamabad knows where the al-Qaida leaders are hiding and couldn’t get them “if they really wanted to.”

But al-Qaida has been responsible for scores of bloody attacks inside Pakistan, including on its army and civilian leaders. Critics of Pakistan have speculated that a possible motivation for Pakistan to have kept bin Laden on the run — rather than arresting or killing him — would be to ensure a constant flow of U.S. aid and weapons into the country.

Suspicions were also aired in Pakistani media and on the street Tuesday.

“That house was obviously a suspicious one,” said Jahangir Khan, who was buying a newspaper in Abbottabad. “Either it was a complete failure of our intelligence agencies or they were involved in this affair.”
– AP
 
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Lolz, what made you believe that?

Didn't you read todays statement from the Foreign Office of Pakistan...? They had mentioned

Tuesday’s reaction just an afterthought? Or did the blowback the military got over the perceived violation of national sovereignty push the Foreign Office to restate its policy of ‘no tolerance’ for foreign military action on its soil?

The message, on the face of it, seemed to have been designed to silence public criticism and questioning at home about the conduct of the operation, but it also contained a nuanced note for the international audience, particularly India, which has been mulling plans for a long time for targeting groups based on Pakistani soil it consider as a threat.
www.dawn.com - Security Verification
 
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I think numbers are much larger than you have quoted. every susceptible person from masoom child to old one is a terrorists if he can be easily brainwashed along with relatives to offer himself/herself in the for Jihad in the way of Allah(SWT).Religion is that opium which can convert any simple child/person into terrorist

Religion is not the opium, but the prevalent ignorance is for sure. Just because these are tough times, you get down to blaming the entire religion. India has almost same number of Muslims, Indonesia, even more. Do they all show such empathy toward the hardliners?

No.

Simply because majority of them are educated and are not ignorant to fall into the hands of such hardliners. Some time back I had said this, and I reiterate: It is this glamorization of 'shahadat without a cause' that is attracting all the ignorant ones. Those who question this process are branded blasphemers.

Could you see where Pakistan was heading when Mumtaz Qadri was showered with rose petals by those who are supposed to protect the law? I could.
 
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it is pov of the reporter.

YES...! but which other countries will do it apart from India, Israel and USA in Pakistan... Not China or Afghanistan. So the point of view of the author is valid and reasonable. Does India has the capability is another question all together which I do not have a doubt on it. It does not.

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read this on the internet :D

Obama : hey ! osama is in pak !!

Zardari : is it ? send us a dossier with proofs .

Obama : Cool ! two helicopters of U.S. postal service are on way :D
:rofl:

Isnt it Four... :) they dropped one and took the rest with them... LOL
 
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Religion is not the opium, but the prevalent ignorance is for sure. Just because these are tough times, you get down to blaming the entire religion. India has almost same number of Muslims, Indonesia, even more. Do they all show such empathy toward the hardliners?

No.

Simply because majority of them are educated and are not ignorant to fall into the hands of such hardliners. Some time back I had said this, and I reiterate: It is this glamorization of 'shahadat without a cause' that is attracting all the ignorant ones. Those who question this process are branded blasphemers.

Could you see where Pakistan was heading when Mumtaz Qadri was showered with rose petals by those who are supposed to protect the law? I could.

Yes, it happens only in Pakistan, as it was only Pakistan which was used for Afghan war, neither it was India nor Indonesia as you quoted. It was in the best interests of US to establish / grow these kind of institutions where brain washing was to be done, to use pakistani as well as other people for afghan war purposes. US just ignored the after effects of the same. They flower showering people cannot hold weapon in their hands but it will take time to change their mentalities.
 
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I reiterate: It is this glamorization of 'shahadat without a cause' that is attracting all the ignorant ones. Those who question this process are branded blasphemers.

So that's the problem, the "appendage" shahadat is the problem, the body, Islam is not the problem - is that what you are saying? Think it over, yes, it's a trick question
 
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