Options for PAF After India Selects Rafale for MMRCA

[Whazzup]

Even if they can match in spending power it's foolish to buy 4 jfts for 1 rafale. It necessarily means they need to field 4 times more pilots build up 4 times more infra. And it won't be a rafale dog fighting with 4 jft, in most cases rafale will see those jft and fire bvrs and escape before those jfts sense anything.

Very true not to mention that this means PAF cannot fight a long fight as for every crashed plane you can replace it with another fighter but its takes years to train anoter pilot.

@Windjammer mate you can comfort your self by saying that Pilot is a major kill factor in air combets but the truth is in BVR its the avionics which plays the major role (god this is not f@#$ing 80s )

 

[KRAIT]

FC-20 is not fifth gen. aircraft (J-20 Mighty Dragon). FC-20 is modified J-10 according to Pakistan's requirements.

 

[SBD-3]

well, it seems french may have used their tramp card, same it used when we were doing agosta b deal..
for india sake lets hope it doesnt become another scandal along with their previous one.....

And not to forget the HAWK trainer deal took TWO DECADES to materialize.....MMRCA is not far from that record...

 

[Shaurya]

well, it seems french may have used their tramp card, same it used when we were doing agosta b deal..
for india sake lets hope it doesnt become another scandal along with their previous one.....

Dont know why you ppl. like to live on cloud 9 ,,, come to the reality my friend.. it was the lowest bidder so got selected, and look whos talking, how is ur country's mullah politics any better may I know??

 

[mkg00179504]

Guys relax.PAF and the guys sitting at the air headquarters know their job.PAF will go ahead with more F16,JF 17 and FC 20 with best available avionics.My brother in law is pilot in PAF.I asked him and his OC who was wing commander about EFT,Rafale,FC 20 and diff jets.All pilots who were present there told me one thing.The aircraft it self does not matter that much,what matter is its pilot, radar,avionics, weapons and range.But for PAF range is not a big issue and pilot is something we are proud of.His OC said if you look at F16 people will tell you mann it was made in 80s its old this and that.But look at F16 block 60 which can knockout almost any jet.Same thing with F15.If they all were so useless after some years then why air forces around the world will fly them.just go and make new jets.My visit to the base was a morale booster.When i told them about MKI,EF,Rafale,and other jets they were just smiling.Everyone said we believe in ourselves and in our training so for us this is what matters. OC wing commander was so confident he said give me F16 block 60 or even block 52 i can take on anything, he said again anything.Except raptor because its in diff class or i may surprise him in close fight as well. This is what coming out from a wing commander of PAF and there are many like him.one more thing he told me in close combat your super jet is not going to save you but your skills will.If that was the case F16 could have escaped when it was locked by A5 and F7P.They also said no doubt technology is what needed for future conflicts,but the pilot factor will still be there.So what i am trying to say is that PAF knows its job.They know how to counter something and everyone is looking forward to future JF17s and FC20.

 

[Whazzup]

An good F-15 pilot can certainly take out a bad F-22 Pilot please see again the red flag review where the american pilot highlights the weak point of F-22

If you like to go in a war after reading reports on internet and beleiving them then be my guest but if you would like to see the reality then in the present world of BVR and stealth the winner is that pilot who detects his enemy first and for that you need better fighter not pilot.

 

[ziaulislam]

PAF can opt for Gripen too.. Heard it's a nice Fighter..

OOPs my Bad, Didn't see that option is already discussed on the thread!

why gripen, it would have made no sense to opt for new plateform when u can get f-16 which outperforms gripen in range etc
gripen would could also have been sanctioned due to american parts, so no obvious advantage for it..

regarding thunder, in the end its atleast 4 times cheaper than rafale with enough capability to withstand its ground..

 

[Jackdaws]

Now that India has the Rafa - will Pak name their planes Djoko?

 

[ziaulislam]

Dont know why you ppl. like to live on cloud 9 ,,, come to the reality my friend.. it was the lowest bidder so got selected, and look whos talking, how is ur country's mullah politics any better may I know??

i am just saying that the french are notorious for it, and unfortunately India had a bit few in past that serious damaged them, you know about the india sub deal in 80s and india towed gun deals that made a mess..

i am quiet sure that this deal was clean(atleast we hope so)

 

[KRAIT]

Guys relax.PAF and the guys sitting at the air headquarters know their job.PAF will go ahead with more F16,JF 17 and FC 20 with best available avionics.My brother in law is pilot in PAF.I asked him and his OC who was wing commander about EFT,Rafale,FC 20 and diff jets.All pilots who were present there told me one thing.The aircraft it self does not matter that much,what matter is its pilot, radar,avionics, weapons and range.But for PAF range is not a big issue and pilot is something we are proud of.His OC said if you look at F16 people will tell you mann it was made in 80s its old this and that.But look at F16 block 60 which can knockout almost any jet.Same thing with F15.If they all were so useless after some years then why air forces around the world will fly them.just go and make new jets.My visit to the base was a morale booster.When i told them about MKI,EF,Rafale,and other jets they were just smiling.Everyone said we believe in ourselves and in our training so for us this is what matters. OC wing commander was so confident he said give me F16 block 60 or even block 52 i can take on anything, he said again anything.Except raptor because its in diff class or i may surprise him in close fight as well. This is what coming out from a wing commander of PAF and there are many like him.one more thing he told me in close combat your super jet is not going to save you but your skills will.If that was the case F16 could have escaped when it was locked by A5 and F7P.They also said no doubt technology is what needed for future conflicts,but the pilot factor will still be there.So what i am trying to say is that PAF knows its job.They know how to counter something and everyone is looking forward to future JF17s and FC20.

Nice post man... Loved the part "When i told them about MKI,EF,Rafale,and other jets they were just smiling.Everyone said we believe in ourselves and in our training so for us this is what matters."

 

[ziaulislam]

i dont think so PAF will counter indian aircrafts on one to one basis.
it will still go for two types of aircrafts..one for strike capabilities and other as a workhorse

this deal will only make PAF to do necessary adjustments in all of its already planned aircrafts, as it did when su 30 were inducted..
as whatever aircraft enter our space it will be the thunder facing them , it doesn't work like if a rafale,su 30 comes a different aircrft will face it and for mig29 a different one will.

 

[Rank]

Before go for any plan PAKISTAN ARMED FORCES Heads first learn how to RUN THE ORGANIZATION and HOW TO MAKE THE POLICY this Military put his ownd hand in this WOT... without using BRAIN! frankly speaking today after 10 years lost 80B $$$$ in which you can buy 100 EF and RAfale....

this Military is totally USELESS Frankly speaking.... ZERO % performance of this armed forces from last 10 years... **** the training training n damn training excuses...

i said this 3 years back..... India will go for ANY FIGHTER and at that time PAKISTAN MILITARY Just "ham ye kardengay ham woh kardeengay khali batain *****gay bas" kareengay kuch nahi...

We don't know how much our Army is corrupt how these generals bridgadiers Wing Commanders Naval heads owned milion billion of prices homes house and 20 30 mercedes n BMWz in their house from where they get money... infact after 4 5 years on PDF i just learned only 1 thing... After 1990... the reaction.. policy... and play style of Pakistan Forces .... WE DONT NEED ENEMY frankly speaking we have most worst enemy in our own house who RULE the state who allow corrupt generals and after wheneverwant to save their ***** call corrupt politicians...

MARK MY WORD

THIS JF17 cheap and old techie 3.5 gen plane OUR AIRFORCES WILL USE TILL 2050! @ that time ... India and all our enemies owned 8 9 10th gen fighters!

and even 2050s like Today PAKISTANI FAN BOYZ remain .. "WE HAVE BETTER PILOTS"

 

[Windjammer]

didn't u said before that PAF evaluated both the jets and reject both of them by implying that both are not good quality wise ? And fatman told you that actually PAF is not competent enough to handle high end tech :lol

Get a stock of your self dude, did IAF rejected the EFT, F/A18 and others because they were of poor quality. !!
Likewise, the PAF didn't find the two aircraft meeting it's own specific operational requirements.

I guess PAF is just lucky that it has managed to fly the first of the so called electric fighters for the last three decades.

 

[SBD-3]

If you like to go in a war after reading reports on internet and beleiving them then be my guest but if you would like to see the reality then in the present world of BVR and stealth the winner is that pilot who detects his enemy first and for that you need better fighter not pilot.

Sorry to say, i dont read internet reports. These are from JDW and costs me around 1000 USD annually....If you can find this on internet, please help me save this money

 

[prabhakar]

Get a stock of your self dude, did IAF rejected the EFT, F/A18 and others because they were of poor quality. !!
Likewise, the PAF didn't find the two aircraft meeting it's own specific operational requirements.

I guess PAF is just lucky that it has managed to fly the first of the so called electric fighters for the last three decades.

Of course .. they were rejected on the basis of 643 evaluation parameters set by IAF..

And that is very interesting to know what are the operational parameters were not meted by this jets .. i guess one of them is their high tech and second one is their affordability.

And jf-17 meeting the PAF parameters there is something called compromise ... get yourself well rehearsed with that word