Options for PAF After India Selects Rafale for MMRCA

[KRAIT]

It doesn't matter whether China gives them J-20 or not. China has already cleared its stance over pakistan, Any attack on Pakistan will be considered attack on China.

 

[GURU DUTT]

why are Indian so worried our economy we built JF17 block one right and building more and buying J10B right we spend our taxes in right places and right time like world said we could not build atomic bomb but we did and lots of it and lots of missile to so bro we are talking about Pakistan economy here

Thats because there is an unofficial so called proxy warr being fought Between India & Pakistan for the last 41 odd years...you know why????

Now i was talking about economy cause wars are faought not just by soldiers alone ...they need wepons & more importantlly a stedy & secure flow of supplies ...now kindly tell me how would you manage to support 150-200 JFT & 50-100 J-10B's?????????

 

[killerx]

Correct me if im wrong.....
But when did china offer pakistan j20?

when is ready and do you think we will not buy from china J20 J10B was first offerd to paksitan not any other country in the world

 

[Big Boss]

you are right..but it doesn't also mean that PAF will go down like cake...

No one is saying that, my point was in the reference of false myth being created.

2. a) IAF will have it by 2014 but what about today??? Anyways China can pitch in for such help for PAF
b) Again count china in...

Do u see a war today or tomorrow? 2014 is just next year and there is nothing for PAF.

china is a hypothetical question, china could have helped pakistan into a developed country is it doing it??

3. a) Our war is not going to be months long...Spares can be manged for short term...

U never know.

b) Only time will tell...b/w if there are kill switch how can count in US for plugging them on behest of India

Its a fact even if time will tell then wait for it why are u jumping into it. And why for India question, answer is simple they don't want a nuke war.

c) We also have dependency on GPS...Why would US do it selectively for PAF??

Really?? why am i wasting my time debating with you?? U need to brush up ur facts apart from GPS we have Russian GLONASS for military use.

The Hindu : News / National : India strikes deal with Russia on Glonass

Now, u understand why i singled out PAF???

Also, soon India will have its own IRNSS too.

Look PAF is a formidable force and we should not make a mistake of under-estimating their resolve and capability...

Who is under estimating?? Never ever underestimate ur enemy is the mantra.

 

[KRAIT]

Like u really believe the chinese????
They have a Department for issuing Warnings and ridiculous Statements....
If something happens to pakistan they r not gonna do Sh.t......
The americans used drones all over them and insulted their sovereignty and the chinese did nothing...
They chinese mean time went on sanctioning loan to americans for fight war on pakistans backyard....

Pakistan is gateway to Arabian sea, Middle east and Indian Ocean. Few skirmishes, couple of hundred dead people don't change nation's foreign policy. Around 50k died in J&K, did we change our stance?

 

[ManuZ]

Okkkkk on the topic.....
Options for PAK to counter Rafale....

JF 17 block 1,2,3.....
J10B and hundreds of them according to experts....
J20ss and that too in good numbers.....
Did i miss anything?

 

[monitor]

Most probably India is going for Typhoon not Rafale,secondly because of your economic condition you cannot counter typhoon with rafale or rafale with typhoon so at the end your answer unfortunately will hover around FC-20.

So PAF option is large fleet of Jf-17 block II and III along with much more capable FC-20 .

 

[killerx]

Okkkkk on the topic.....
Options for PAK to counter Rafale....

JF 17 block 1,2,3.....
J10B and hundreds of them according to experts....
J20ss and that too in good numbers.....
Did i miss anything?

Options for PAF After India Selects Rafale for MMRCA
ans F 17 block 1,2,3.....
J10B and hundreds of them according to experts....
J20ss and that too in good numbers.....
barvoo you saeid it your self cto counter rafale we are bulding JF17 block 2 which is 4.5gen and J10B close to 5Gen and only supercruse engines to become 5th gen is the good rafale is not god fighters you guys are making it there are better then it and more coming like J20

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No offence but PAF is yet to deal Su 30mki and F16b52 already neutralise by IAF Mirage2k 5mk2 and Mig29UPG .Rafale is like bolt from sky which even china knows what it capable off..

what french told you secret of rafale the world dosent know yea right china is making J20 and compare with rafale yae like you can if you and french know about it

 

[Rank]

For Pakistan.... best solution so kill all these corrupt politicians and Generals.... Call techno-crate govt and allow new technical faces (those who have expertise in Finance, Military, Business, Sports). Change the atmosphere of corruption hang all old Generals because of whom today's Pakistan is suffering. Close all the doors for Army intervention in the govt. Shutdown all those societies which made by Military retired officers. Moreover shutdown budget of Military as much as Govt can. After this ... spend money on the internal security of Pakistan (Police and Agencies). Control properly Law and Order and after that you can capable to call foreigners and foreign investment into Pakistan. Built your economy... US is not GOD US event not capable to fight with Taliban's leave US if possible shutdown each and every kind of relation with US. Just talk level - to - level with every country and if any country react like a dictator slap-on and close relation. Pakistan and Pakistan's will never die if UK and USA not with Pakistan. They even not properly control their own country and people how they control Pakistan. Give more power to the judiciary and the parliament. Properly give danda to the people of this nation for TAX ... collection of TAX @ every place. When people will spend money inside Pakistan, when businessman will feel secure in Pakistan when Govt properly built better Electricity, Dams, infrastructure then Pakistan will automatically capable to buy any FIGHTER or anything even US/India cant do anything ....

so first remove corruption from Pakistan... you will buy EACH and EVERYTHING when you have MONEY simple.... and if we still continue this STATE with in STATE politics seriously mark my words even after 2050 our children will say samething what our fanboys saying right now unfortunately "WE HAVE BETTER PILOTS WE HAVE BETTER TRAINING"

Either our Army is well trained when enemy is intruding inside your Airspace and military govt both "talyaan baja rahay hain haathoon may karay pehan kar" and even they have backdoor approval for attack INSIDE THEIR OWN TERRITORY and many of our Pakistani's excusing (as always) "THEY WAIT FOR THE **** orders they wait for the orders from GHQ ... but they are well trained seriously WHOLE WORLD IS LAUGHING ON US"

Control Corruption... and buy ANYTHING! still after only 10% of TAX collection... your military and govt spending and running organizations.... when Pakistan tax collection close to 50 % at-least our forces will buy ANYTHING.... but before KILL-N-KICK Corrupt GENERALS and LEADERS!

 

[Windjammer]

Seems the whole argument has turned on it's head.... somewhere an Indian member rightly pointed out that "unlike the Rafale, the EFT is a thorough air superiority fighter, the selection of the Rafale is basically to replace the Jaguars and MiG-27 in the deep strike and related special mission roles". For that PAF already has a well established nucleus. In air combat, with BVR very much into the equation, well it's a double edge sword, my hands are tied but Santro can clear many cob webs.

PAF Block-52s equipped for SEAD and other special missions.

 

[Manticore]

rafale was the best option for india-- i'm sure its state of the art , but it was the sane choice as its the only fighter with which paf cant directly train with our arab allies --- same is the case with j10b -- this fighter will also keep the enemies guessing about the extent of its capabilities -- the j10b is the most practical option for us , we might endup with some basic ToT in this case but more importantly the ability to indigenously upgrade the j10b based on our requirements is what the west can never give us, no matter how much money we throw at the deal --

The 2 fighters have been shorlisted for quite a while and paf did have the basic idea of the sphere of capabilities required to counter them-- and even now, its not that the first squadron would be magically appearing in the iaf today... it will take time

I personaly dont think the u.s will use the killswitches so to speak , as they want to see how their f16s fair against the rafale-- maybe we might even see new f16s being sent to pak... this would send 2 msgs--1]somewhat ease the imbalance 2]pit the f16 against newer rafales as a marketing statement


there is a thread here on results of exercises between the old rafale mk2and f16 blk52s---

 

[saiyan0321]

four hours later now china is involved in pak vs ind i said it before i will say it again buying rafale will not make you invincible its a great purchase but paf can counter by simply first get the fleet out of f16 influence and then go for jf17 block 123 and then go for j10 simple 5th generation planes with us we can hold them off again but first concentrate on getting the jf17 in pak air force in high numbers and work on the naval version we need to make our pn air arm stronger

 

[Edevelop]

Okkkkk on the topic.....
Options for PAK to counter Rafale....

JF 17 block 1,2,3.....
J10B and hundreds of them according to experts....
J20ss and that too in good numbers.....
Did i miss anything?

Yes you did...
F-16s!! More are to be delivered with the option of buying another 18...

 

[KRAIT]

Rafale - Airforce Technology

Pak's answer,
J-10 (Jian 10) Vigorous Dragon - Airforce Technology

Pakistan will receive the first export versions of the J-10, up to 36 aircraft, by 2015.

Looks like they are ahead of us.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Pak pilot defeated EFT with f-16 A/B

So pilot factor doesn matter

we have one of the world best pilots.

sir according to experts starting from MKI & Rafale for that matter if owr plains ...which is there current capacity...paint your planes & fire a salvo of two missiles per aircraft before your planes even start trackin us the what will you do ...i mean at a range of 100-125 km's are the current BVR range of India & in FUTURE cause of JFT-1, 2,3 & J-10B will get that so ...whats your plan & im not counting super sukoi's , FGFA & Rafales as yet...think????????