Opinion: Pakistan must become an authoritarian state to progress

[Shabi1]

I posted this in the Musharraf thread but I'm gonna post it here too



Pakistan needs to be ruled by the military and it has always been better this way. Military knows how to run this country with an iron fist and that is when Pakistan as a nation will progress.

Democracy only works in countries where your population is intelligent enough to make sensible decisions. If your awaam is foolish and easily manipulated, democracy is a like a bomb waiting to go off. Putting decisions in the hands of your foolish awaam will ruin your nation and criminals will loot a weak democracy and corrupt it to the core. Politicians are so busy trying to gain power for themselves that they will make up fake scandals to create opposition. These criminal politicians will do everything they can to prevent, block, and slow down the gov't from implementing obvious and basic reforms that will help the nation. Democracy in Pakistan is a curse that will hold this nation back from achieving its full potential. China would never have become China if it was a democracy.

Military should take full power of every aspect of the state of Pakistan and root out all these corrupt criminals and mafia with an iron fist.

Shoot everyone in the bhutto, sharif and zardari family.

Every transaction greater than 500Rs requires CNIC, or NTN. Every business need to register and get a proper license.

Karachi under federal rule. Hyderabad new capital of Sindh.

Hazara province.

South Punjab province. Create a new city adjacent to Multan that will act as the capital.

Spend 5% of GDP on health. Spend 5% of GDP on education.

New Pakistan requires a new constitution.

Pakistan is now a one party authoritarian state, with the government having total control.

Proceed to liquidate the old order, wipe out the political elite and acquire all their lands and buisnesses.

Televised hangings and amputations of criminals who laundered billions of rupees from the international exchequer on PTV and all the world to see.

Privatize steel mill

MRAP for soldiers on Durand line

Media ethics will be strictly enforced any journalist who is a repeat offender will get his license revoked and will do 5 years in prison

Tough action against international NGO's stepping outside their mandate

High taxes on property above a certain value

Decrease redtape for setting up business

A purge in judiciary against Iftikhar elements

Abolish feudalism

Capital Punishment for corrupt politicians and high level officials

Increase our lobbying in the Gulf, America and the EU

Army should not interfere it tarnishes their image. And while they have a high sense of duty while in service, for the few cases nothing worse than a retired military person turned business man thinking he is above the law.

Altaf Hussain, Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto etc all started out with noble beginnings and might have been sincere at one point but because of interference and need for survival they had to learn to be treacherous and on that path they had to turn to underhanded ways. Second reason is dynastic politics, involving relatives made it worse. Only reason we have had corrupt leader for so long is that they've blackmailed and compromises like NROs had to be made for maintaining order in the country.

Let the processes run their course without interference and these elements will filter out. It has already began. No one imagined Karachi and its own supporters will shun MQM, PPP is losing its stronghold in Sindh and for the first time interior Sindh is on a revolt, similar for other provinces. Media is being blasted and they are exposed. Judiciary will have to mend its ways as well. Mullahs that use deen for their own ambitions exposed.

Watch this series and you will get the drift. Its very interesting and will see Pakistani politics is even more intriguing than game of thrones. Unfortunately one thing that keeps us back is we keep making the same mistakes over and over again. History should be studied by all.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYt5jguM4dGwPAeLXmNorJV559crcMvuN

 

[Aspen]

Which best year are you talking about man ?

Excet for Ayub military rule was disaster.

1. We lost Bangladesh during army rule
2. Kilashankoof culture was brought in by Zia's policy otherwise we were very peaceful country.
3. In order to control politics ZIA brought artificial leader like Sharif into power.
4. Musharaf is responsible for f**kup 9/11 that we had to fight for 2 decades in the name of war on terror.

the list can go on as long as you want.

1. We didn't make nukes for fun
2. Zia was the right person for 1979 Soviet invasion next door. 71 was not allowed to happen again because of him.
3. Which is why civilian gov't is a pit of snakes
4. Afghan war was a lose-lose situation

 

[Pakistansdefender]

I posted this in the Musharraf thread but I'm gonna post it here too



Pakistan needs to be ruled by the military and it has always been better this way. Military knows how to run this country with an iron fist and that is when Pakistan as a nation will progress.

Democracy only works in countries where your population is intelligent enough to make sensible decisions. If your awaam is foolish and easily manipulated, democracy is a like a bomb waiting to go off. Putting decisions in the hands of your foolish awaam will ruin your nation and criminals will loot a weak democracy and corrupt it to the core. Politicians are so busy trying to gain power for themselves that they will make up fake scandals to create opposition. These criminal politicians will do everything they can to prevent, block, and slow down the gov't from implementing obvious and basic reforms that will help the nation. Democracy in Pakistan is a curse that will hold this nation back from achieving its full potential. China would never have become China if it was a democracy.

Military should take full power of every aspect of the state of Pakistan and root out all these corrupt criminals and mafia with an iron fist.

Shoot everyone in the bhutto, sharif and zardari family.

Every transaction greater than 500Rs requires CNIC, or NTN. Every business need to register and get a proper license.

Karachi under federal rule. Hyderabad new capital of Sindh.

Hazara province.

South Punjab province. Create a new city adjacent to Multan that will act as the capital.

Spend 5% of GDP on health. Spend 5% of GDP on education.

New Pakistan requires a new constitution.

Pakistan is now a one party authoritarian state, with the government having total control.

Proceed to liquidate the old order, wipe out the political elite and acquire all their lands and buisnesses.

Televised hangings and amputations of criminals who laundered billions of rupees from the international exchequer on PTV and all the world to see.

Privatize steel mill

MRAP for soldiers on Durand line

Media ethics will be strictly enforced any journalist who is a repeat offender will get his license revoked and will do 5 years in prison

Tough action against international NGO's stepping outside their mandate

High taxes on property above a certain value

Decrease redtape for setting up business

A purge in judiciary against Iftikhar elements

Abolish feudalism

Capital Punishment for corrupt politicians and high level officials

Increase our lobbying in the Gulf, America and the EU

World is different. There is no 911 type moment to justify the military rule. It would only be throwing Pakistan in choas. Imran khan is doing better reforma then muaharaf and that too with demotraric speed. The same things muaharaf did. Imran is doing even better. The media barks and expose itself. But you are a mushy fan then imran khan is doing the same just way better.
Now he must have fed this media bosses and keep them in favour. He didn't and tried to fight them all.
OK if he is OK then I am OK.
The only problem is that in 7 to 12 shows you are told that everything is right and good you would believe it no matter how much intelligent you are.
In 2017 and 2018 all institutions world Bank, imf, and was telling you the country is heading towards another bailout. They are telling you the condition is really bad. China gave us money to run through the 2 months of caretaker government.
And there is a debate that even if imran won he won't be able to run because if the bad state of economy. Luckily media never made economy an issue and people thought that economy is flourishing. The orange train running 23 km in lahore would also feed 20 carore people, manage our fisical and current deficit and produce enough money to pay back all loans. And mulk is developing.
You are talking about new provinces. I am amazed at how some of the decent journalist wrote against it.
We do not even have local government system. In Feb imran wanted a local bodies election. But now this carona issue. Hopefully when ever election happens we'll and good.
Look you should try to make your country work. And then move on from there.

 

[PakistaniJunior]

I think any model would be a failure unless Pakistan is able to root out the corrupt business men from the political scenes. These guys are more efficient in running their businesses than running a country, not to mention these people are more than likely to be bribed by foreign elements to do work against the nation rather than to serve it. In this case, Army is honestly the best resort we have unless the judiciary and the politicians are corruption-free. It doesn't matters whether its authoritarian or democratic rule, when the rulers are going to be corrupt business men calling all the shots.

 

[Aspen]

World is different. There is no 911 type moment to justify the military rule. It would only be throwing Pakistan in choas. Imran khan is doing better reforma then muaharaf and that too with demotraric speed. The same things muaharaf did. Imran is doing even better. The media barks and expose itself. But you are a mushy fan then imran khan is doing the same just way better.
Now he must have fed this media bosses and keep them in favour. He didn't and tried to fight them all.
OK if he is OK then I am OK.
The only problem is that in 7 to 12 shows you are told that everything is right and good you would believe it no matter how much intelligent you are.
In 2017 and 2018 all institutions world Bank, imf, and was telling you the country is heading towards another bailout. They are telling you the condition is really bad. China gave us money to run through the 2 months of caretaker government.
And there is a debate that even if imran won he won't be able to run because if the bad state of economy. Luckily media never made economy an issue and people thought that economy is flourishing. The orange train running 23 km in lahore would also feed 20 carore people, manage our fisical and current deficit and produce enough money to pay back all loans. And mulk is developing.
You are talking about new provinces. I am amazed at how some of the decent journalist wrote against it.
We do not even have local government system. In Feb imran wanted a local bodies election. But now this carona issue. Hopefully when ever election happens we'll and good.
Look you should try to make your country work. And then move on from there.

In a democratic Pakistan, a once in a blue moon person like Imran Khan is the best case scenario. Someone who wants good for the country. But he cannot deliver it. A civilian government will not allow it. Opposition blocks anything that will improve the country because it makes opposition look bad. Understand what I am saying. You can write it down. Centralized power is a necessity for Pakistan. Civilian government has been given every single opportunity to succeed and parliament is struggling to make basic reforms. If a civilian government in the best case scenario cannot succeed, then this country is in big trouble.

Tell me. Do you think that this civilian government can pass even a single one of those reforms? Military gov't has demonstrated its track record to implement reforms and that is why Pakistan has what it has so far. If civilian government can pass even one of those reforms, I will change my name.

Yes or no.

 

[Khan_21]

I posted this in the Musharraf thread but I'm gonna post it here too



Pakistan needs to be ruled by the military and it has always been better this way. Military knows how to run this country with an iron fist and that is when Pakistan as a nation will progress.

Democracy only works in countries where your population is intelligent enough to make sensible decisions. If your awaam is foolish and easily manipulated, democracy is a like a bomb waiting to go off. Putting decisions in the hands of your foolish awaam will ruin your nation and criminals will loot a weak democracy and corrupt it to the core. Politicians are so busy trying to gain power for themselves that they will make up fake scandals to create opposition. These criminal politicians will do everything they can to prevent, block, and slow down the gov't from implementing obvious and basic reforms that will help the nation. Democracy in Pakistan is a curse that will hold this nation back from achieving its full potential. China would never have become China if it was a democracy.

Military should take full power of every aspect of the state of Pakistan and root out all these corrupt criminals and mafia with an iron fist.

Shoot everyone in the bhutto, sharif and zardari family.

Every transaction greater than 500Rs requires CNIC, or NTN. Every business need to register and get a proper license.

Karachi under federal rule. Hyderabad new capital of Sindh.

Hazara province.

South Punjab province. Create a new city adjacent to Multan that will act as the capital.

Spend 5% of GDP on health. Spend 5% of GDP on education.

New Pakistan requires a new constitution.

Pakistan is now a one party authoritarian state, with the government having total control.

Proceed to liquidate the old order, wipe out the political elite and acquire all their lands and buisnesses.

Televised hangings and amputations of criminals who laundered billions of rupees from the international exchequer on PTV and all the world to see.

Privatize steel mill

MRAP for soldiers on Durand line

Media ethics will be strictly enforced any journalist who is a repeat offender will get his license revoked and will do 5 years in prison

Tough action against international NGO's stepping outside their mandate

High taxes on property above a certain value

Decrease redtape for setting up business

A purge in judiciary against Iftikhar elements

Abolish feudalism

Capital Punishment for corrupt politicians and high level officials

Increase our lobbying in the Gulf, America and the EU

No Thanks. Nobody wants corrupt Generals in charge . They are even more corrupt than civilian government. I dont want my rights and freedom of speech taken away neither do I intend to polish some jarnails boots. They have already done immense damge to PK and need to remain in their space.

 

[ARMalik]

If only army was made of angels with no fallacies of their own.

A little indian Potato Prasad had to jump in a Pakistan related thread, and spoil and derail the thread. Get a life.

 

[B.K.N]

Tell me. Do you think that this civilian government can pass even a single one of those reforms? Military gov't has demonstrated its track record to implement reforms and that is why Pakistan has what it has so far. If civilian government can pass even one of those reforms, I will change my name.

Yes or no.

Yes. It only needs 2/3 majority getting 2/3 majority is much easier than a new system.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Yes. It only needs 2/3 majority getting 2/3 majority is much easier than a new system.

Army bungled up the last election by not giving IK 2/3 majority. Possibly because they wanted a "demo" to see if IK would not clip their wings. Now that IK and the army has a good working relationship I think the next election would be 2/3rd majority for him.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

No Thanks. Nobody wants corrupt Generals in charge . They are even more corrupt than civilian government. I dont want my rights and freedom of speech taken away neither do I intend to polish some jarnails boots. They have already done immense damge to PK and need to remain in their space.

Authoritarian rule in Pakistan doesnt necessarily mean Army. Bhutto was an authoritarian ruler as well who @#ked up the country for good..

 

[The Accountant]

1. Bhutto was the fool who ignited it.
2. Sharif is civilian gov't
3. Military could have wiped out both
4. Karachi is a mess because its Karachi
5. Zardari is civilian gov't
6. Afghan war was a lose-lose situation
7. Military gov't has a a better track record

Ohh bhai history perh lo pehly.

Bhutto was son of Ayub and goven much of authority by military. So these bastards sons of miltary rulers.. Pakistan destroyed by Bhutto, Zardari and Sharif but the missing link is who brought them in power? Bhutto was proud son of Ayub.
Nawaz was son of Zia, had their been no Zia there was no chance of forming up of PMLN.
Zardari got the power as musharaf put all the weight behind PPP.

WHy are you trying to hide the facts that we never had free and geniune civilian leaderhsip and all the names you are quoting were planted by military leadership just to keep on controlling the country.

Military never cared that Zardari and Nawaz were thug as long as they were OK with the military budget and power they kept a blind eye over them.

Regarding Bangladesh event, it was army chief that had the power. Bhutto lost the election but army chief supported bhutto and Mujeeb felt betrayed by military as well as West Pakistan and started the separation movement.

In 1979 Russia threaten Pakistan due to Zia. After betrayal of USA in 1971 we started good relationship with USSR. The gave us Steel Mill. However, USA planted Zia to change that scenario. Had it not been Zia we would not have threat of USSR.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Army vote nhi dalti. Eastern parts of Punjab are considered stronghold of noon league they won from there. PTI clean sweeped western and southern parts of Punjab and KP. And PP from interior Sindh which is their stronghold. And PTI won from Karachi to is main army Kahan sa agayi?

Lets not be naive here. Army chooses its horses. PPP / PMLN / MQM and now PTI.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Didn't Pakistan have highest economic growth rate under Mussharaf ?

 

[The Accountant]

Army vote nhi dalti. Eastern parts of Punjab are considered stronghold of noon league they won from there. PTI clean sweeped western and southern parts of Punjab and KP. And PP from interior Sindh which is their stronghold. And PTI won from Karachi to is main army Kahan sa agayi?

Dont be naive.

Uzair Balooch ki JIT khan ha ? ager wo main stream per ajati tu PPP ki adhi leadership jail mn hoti ...

Army is playing with politicians and us. Hamari problems mn Army ka significant hath ha

 

[B.K.N]

Uzair Balooch ki JIT khan ha ?

Wo Mera mama lgta Jo us ka case ko follow karon?