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Operation Zarb-e-Azb

1. Lessons
Public support is paramount in any war specially an insurgency.
effective planning of countering propaganda & presenting own PoV
having political support of parties who build up support for military instead of mocking & criticizing it
Adapt , reorganize restructure the military for effective COIN operations. General Tariq Khans work on FC is an example who turned an ill equipped, demoralized and ill trained organisation into an effective fighting force.

2. Military Planning
A meticulous planning was taking place for some time, and there were some surgical operations already taking place SAWAT, South Waziristan and rest of tribal areas like Khyber agency etc were live examples
the sheer size, the topography and its location favors small gorilla forces that have many way points to sneak attack and ex-filtrate into Afghanistan hence part of the force was deployed on important choke points and mountain tops to foil known and obvious escape routes while the rest of the force went in supported by PAF, Army aviation and artillery.

3. Avoiding Collateral damage
it is impossible to have zero collateral damage in any military conflict be it a conventional or insurgency. the loss and damage to the infrastructure to public and private property is a given and there are always civilian or unintended casualties although any state who wants domestic and international opinion on its side would try to avoid it or minimize it. we repeated our Sawat and South Waziristan experience and gave people the chance to leave and clear although the risk of loosing the terrorists is always there but the loss of civilian lives is far worse than the risk of some terrorists escaping among people and they do get caught in burkas and many were taken out while trying to escape. Americans were not bound by such compulsion, they were not attacking their own people and they have the power to shape the world opinion so their drone strikes did result in civilian casualties as well.

4. How we did it
now that will be telling but few things that we did were
use of our own drones that provided us with real time and pin point intelligence against the terrorists. only 2 such strikes back in February brought the terrorists to their knees.
support of local population and better intelligence was also helpful. Sawat was a good success story in that case.
what a successful military operation needs is a quick follow up of political process and the civilian administration taking over to bring the life back to normalcy otherwise all such gains are lost and military is needed to come back.
unfortunately apart from 2 or 3 parties (ANP, MQM and PPP) all other parties have been hesitant , apologetic or all out supporters of TTP and taliban which doesnt help in building a consensus and public support

but looking at Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq.. we are much better off (touch wood) and not only Taliban have lost considerable support but their mouthpiece parties have started to get a lot of scorn from the public and military has recently gained public approval.

look up General Tariq Khan's interview to Ragi Omar of AL Jazera its very old and relates to South Waziristan but Tariq Khan being a Pashton himself explains how Taliban eliminated the entire tribal structure to systematically take over.. that system of Maliks or elders needs to be re-installed and supported.

Bottom line.. suprior firepower and effective use of modern technology backed up with full-hearted political reconciliation and rehabilitation of the affected people

Hi,

Thank you for your post---next time pakistan can chose an easier way out. We don't need to be destroyed by the extremists and then try to rebuild ourselves. The govt needs to control the media---the govt needs to control what news media can deliver regarding the terrorists---the govt needs to control everything the terrorist want to disclose thru media---.

The state needs to learn to nip these problems right in the bud & so do the citizens. Pakistan needs to come first.

The day the terrorists attacked and killed pakistan's best friends---chinese and french citizens---and pakistnais did not join together as a single nation to oust those---that day the pakistanis became third rate pathetic and disgusting citizens of nation who turned on its friends and did not do anything to seek revenge for their demise.

The brotherhood with the chinese was a sham---just self serving relationship---. Pakistanis only became concerned when their own houses started burning when their own children started dying in places far from where the terrorists hid.

Sir---it was because of these maliks and elders that the taliban and terrs got refuge in that area----once they got in---then they took charge----. These maliks and elders are as big criminals as the terrs.

The state should stay in this time---miliatry needs to build cantonments for prosperity and control.

The Army nurtured them, and used them for its purposes. It then lost control and we have the situation today. The Army will now either divest itself completely and kill its creation, or succumb to it. There is no third option.


Sir,

You are wrong---your post is misleding and deceptive----it is the pakistani public and politicins that are at fault----. If pakistani civilians had joined together against the terrs right from the beginign and considered them the enemy of the state----military had no choice but to follow suite.

But all this time the pakistanis considered them their islamic brothers----and t every military action---the civilians were bashing the military.

You hve Hussein Haqqani's agenda---now don't you---he used to bash ISI----you do it to the military---without prejudice.
 
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Hi,

Thank you for your post---next time pakistan can chose an easier way out.
yes brother

Although Pakistan military & the Islamic militants have severed ties more than a decade ago, It is disappointing that Pak-Mil is being constantly chastised by domestic liberals, western media & governments for its past links & cooperation with Mujahideen during Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

Such criticism is helpful and justified if its given as a reference and not made the main pitch for everything that has gone bad in Afghanistan and Pakistan because for over a decade Pakistan military and ISI are engaged in a mortal combat with them. But if there is a compelling case for keeping this criticism the main theme for every analysis, every report and every article then same rule should apply to “other partners” as well who helped the Afghan Mujahideen.


But in reality In such generous criticisms, the western and Saudi role in making, funding, arming, (and even naming Al Qaeda) is conveniently missed. And if an acknowledgement of Pakistani forces is made against the Al Qaeda and Taliban then its mostly half hearted and a grudgingly week and carries the essential element of criticising its past.

IF you take out the date stamp and the title of the article, you are sure to find the same narrative repeated, copy pasted over and over again just like a Pavlov’s dogs association with the bell. The mention of Pakistan army and ISI re fight against the terrorism “must” bring in the past association with Afghan leaders like Siraj Uddin Haqqani, Pro Siaf, engineer Gul Badin Hikmatyar etc.


We keep com channels on with our adversary, even at DGMO level with hostile states. We are vindicated regarding Mullah Omar and Haqqani’s because it were these communication channels or Links (which western media touts as “support”) that enabled a dialog between Taliban and outgoing occupation forces of NATO. Other line used by chronic haters of Pakistan military is that its operations are only against those Taliban that are involved in terrorism within Pakistan (how tragic), Michael in one of his responses on media lambasts this line of the US Administration by saying Pakistan military cant be criticised for looking after its own national interests. He says USA is kidding itself by hopping that another nation will forego its own threat perceptions and its own security. He also adds that no one did more than Pakistan for America in war on terror fight.

What western media portrayed over the years as “safe heaven for Al Qaeda and Haqqanis” has been anything but a safe heaven, with constant drone strikes and military operations and Haqqani and Al Qaeda leadership even being killing or captured in the settled areas of Pakistan hardly qualify Pakistani territory as a “safe heaven”. OBL operation is used as a “proof” that Pakistani state was complicit but yet again the commentators suffer a convenient short memory loss when they fail to mention the escape of Osama and Mullah Omar from Tora Bora when the entire place was encircled and being bombed to bits by American areal might. Why was he allowed or was able to escape from there? The answer is that it’s a warzone and such things are possible despite all the planning and precautions and same rule applies in Pakistan was well which was directly affected due to our own operations in Sawat and FATA and Afghanistan and over million IDP movement over the years meant he could easily slip though. To date apart from some sensational interviews and the raid itself, no evidence has been presented despite taking away a “treasure trove” from OBL’s hideout about Pakistani state’s collusion. The suspicion and allegation is used as evidence and the constant repeat from many mouths ensures that any lie, any line of thinking or a point of view can become truth and evidence and that’s what brings me to your point.

Since Musharraf launched the operation against the Taliban and its operation against the occupants of Red Mosque, our media , judiciary and right wing parties joined together against Pakistan army and ISI and stirred up the Public against our war and against the Pakistan military that a point came when people even in Punjab started to disassociate with Pakistan and its armed forces and Osama and Mullah Omar was enjoying approval ratings of 70%. The private media with all the new channels took the charge of misinformation and sensationalism and justification of terrorists thus the population just like a herd with the mental capacity of a collective herd eagerly devoured whatever the media said

And by the time Musharraf reacted, it was too late for him. The judiciary found it more important to take suo moto actions of prices of samosas and if a vine bottle was found in the luggage of Atiqa Odho rather than dealing with the terrorist related cases. If Musharraf had constituted a war cabinet much earlier and completely pulled the plug out of the media spreading hatred and misinformation then our judiciary wont have had become a political activist and used Nawaz league money and private media coverage to launch assault on Musharraf. It is that indecisiveness and weak response in the beginning that meant that later emergency declaration and the house arrest of judges was too little too late. Just like this north Waziristan operation has been started with an apologetic pretext only few months ago this weak handling of media’s misinformation and right wing parties open support of terrorists enabled the cleric of Red Mosque to threaten the state once again with 500 female suicide bombers if any operation was launched.
 
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At the end though, This op is only going to be 20% effective in curbing the terrorists.. after all .. its just taking territory from them to opreate from and not ending the movement. That ends via a massive social reform with the elimination of the extremist ideology and perhaps a revamp of all Madressas.
 
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finally the army high command has heeded to the demand and concerns of the middle ranking officers to cleanse the country of this disease. they cannot afford to watch their comrades and countrymen die at the hands of these animals and not do anything - it may be too early but i feel it is a paradigm shift in the overall thinking of the high command - the army wants the world to know that if it says its going to do something - then it will.....

Raheel Shareef carries no previous baggage....he is absolutely clear what is required.
Sir,
With due respect we know since beginning that we have to face TTP on ground one day.I do wonder sometimes that what lessons we are about to learn from Operation zarb e azb?Shall we pay heed to those lessons or not?/Do those lessons effect our mentality or not?
Regards
 
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Sir,
With due respect we know since beginning that we have to face TTP on ground one day.I do wonder sometimes that what lessons we are about to learn from Operation zarb e azb?Shall we pay heed to those lessons or not?/Do those lessons effect our mentality or not?
Regards

there are clear lessons for the army - no jihadist outfits to be sponsored for any purpose - there is only one 'fauj' and that is Pakistan Army - man and defend the country's borders as their prime job - refrain from indulging (its going to be hard) in politics - and finally never appoint an ISI head as CoAS. this job is for professional soldiers and not spymasters.
 
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yes brother
And by the time Musharraf reacted, it was too late for him. The judiciary found it more important to take suo moto actions of prices of samosas and if a vine bottle was found in the luggage of Atiqa Odho rather than dealing with the terrorist related cases. If Musharraf had constituted a war cabinet much earlier and completely pulled the plug out of the media spreading hatred and misinformation then our judiciary wont have had become a political activist and used Nawaz league money and private media coverage to launch assault on Musharraf. It is that indecisiveness and weak response in the beginning that meant that later emergency declaration and the house arrest of judges was too little too late. Just like this north Waziristan operation has been started with an apologetic pretext only few months ago this weak handling of media’s misinformation and right wing parties open support of terrorists enabled the cleric of Red Mosque to threaten the state once again with 500 female suicide bombers if any operation was launched.

Irfan,

a chain is as strong as its weakest link. For Musharraf---it was the Chaudhry brothers and his other aides including Gen Kiyani---the CH brothers were gutless & our great General Kiyani----we find that out that he was a coward---afarid of reatliation by the terrs.

If you can dig in deeper during the Musharraf's govt----you will find that most of major military action indecisions will have Kiyani's name behind it---.

a daring adventurer like Musharraf does not just suddenly become weak kneed---

The rulers strength comes from his enforcers----if the enforcers don't have backbone and keep giving bad advice----not much the ruler can do---& specially if it is a military ruler----where chain of command is the rule of the day---when the Commander is totally dependent on his war office---if the war office fails him---he is tost.
 
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Irfan,

a chain is as strong as its weakest link. For Musharraf---it was the Chaudhry brothers and his other aides including Gen Kiyani---the CH brothers were gutless & our great General Kiyani----we find that out that he was a coward---afarid of reatliation by the terrs.

If you can dig in deeper during the Musharraf's govt----you will find that most of major military action indecisions will have Kiyani's name behind it---.


a daring adventurer like Musharraf does not just suddenly become weak kneed---

The rulers strength comes from his enforcers----if the enforcers don't have backbone and keep giving bad advice----not much the ruler can do---& specially if it is a military ruler----where chain of command is the rule of the day---when the Commander is totally dependent on his war office---if the war office fails him---he is tost.
Respected sir,
Will you kindly elucidate that?and comparing previous command and control chain to that of present, what are the strengths and weakness do you see?
Regards
 
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Respected sir,
Will you kindly elucidate that?and comparing previous command and control chain to that of present, what are the strengths and weakness do you see?
Regards

Hi,

Right now you have one of the weakest leaders in our history alongwith Yahya---the military---its patience has worn thin right to the breaking point---. The tragedy of your nation is---that you donot have any one to fight for pakistan tooth and nail on the media---on the public forum---.

You have no one to lead who has Pakistan First on his agenda---actually the thing is that you people don't have pakistan first on your agenda---then from where you will find somenone to lead you---.

The weakness is that you announced well ahead of time to let the terrs escape---the weakness is that you are taking prisoners---. The agenda should have been right from gitgo to take out and neutralize all foreigners in that area.

Indtead of letting them escape---the agenda should have been to corral them in and then take them out.
 
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Hi,

Right now you have one of the weakest leaders in our history alongwith Yahya---the military---its patience has worn thin right to the breaking point---. The tragedy of your nation is---that you donot have any one to fight for pakistan tooth and nail on the media---on the public forum---.

You have no one to lead who has Pakistan First on his agenda---actually the thing is that you people don't have pakistan first on your agenda---then from where you will find somenone to lead you---.

The weakness is that you announced well ahead of time to let the terrs escape---the weakness is that you are taking prisoners---. The agenda should have been right from gitgo to take out and neutralize all foreigners in that area.

Indtead of letting them escape---the agenda should have been to corral them in and then take them out.
Thank you first of all,
I completely agree with you,our leaders are incapable to design pro-Pakistan policies which can assure in provision of safeguards and this is the core reason of all consequences which is what we are facing today.I myself am complaining this for whole time sir,we lack such think tanks which can engineer pro-Pakistan policies, specially our political establishment lack such intellects. Hence, their weakness creates mistrust and insecurity between the two powerful sectors,wrong decisions are taken and we then see martial law as a result of mistrust,over confidence as awful output

Regards
 
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Opinion
Business as usual
Owen Bennett-Jones
Wednesday, July 09, 2014


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A few months ago there were three questions causing tensions between the army and the government. First, would the government continue its futile dialogue with the Taliban or would it support a military offensive in North Waziristan? Second, would Nawaz Sharif persist with his policy of improving relations with India? And third, would the government really try to put General Musharraf in prison?

Two of those issues have now been resolved. For all the political theatre with Modi and despite the gifts for each other’s mothers, Sharif now knows that he will not be able to improve relations with India.

He – like Zardari before him – had hoped that substantially increasing cross-border trade would be the easiest way to rapidly lift living standards for significant numbers of people. And no doubt it would do that. But the army blocked Zardari, it is blocking Sharif and no one expects the situation to change.

And even if the army did suddenly see the benefits of improved relations with Delhi, the prime minister would not be able to deliver the policy because India will not reciprocate unless Pakistan arrests and puts on trial the people who managed the Mumbai attack. And no one expects that to happen.

On the issue of the North Waziristan campaign Sharif bit the bullet, went to the National Assembly and spoke in favour of the army offensive. Many officers hoped for more. How is it, they asked, that Sharif and his ministers rushed down to Karachi to be at the bedside of Hamid Mir when they couldn’t be bothered to be similarly attentive of senior officers killed and injured in the fighting?

It’s a fair question. While defenders of press freedom needed to be seen standing by Hamid Mir, it’s only reasonable to think that the government should show a similar degree of interest in soldiers defending the country from the Taliban. But the issue is of more of an irritation than a potential cause of a deep breach.

Which leaves the issue of General Musharraf. It’s now pretty clear that, if he can, Nawaz Sharif will have his revenge and put Musharraf behind bars. The prime minister has played his hand well, not making any public statements about the case. Instead, he has watched and waited as the judges do their work. Then, whenever the case seems to be moving towards the moment that Musharraf can leave the country, he gently intervenes to put a spanner in the works.

It is causing growing frustration with the army. When Musharraf was first arrested there was a view in the military that the man who once led Pakistan had become deluded and was the author of his own problems. The army had repeatedly advised him not to come back to Pakistan. He ignored that advice and returned anyway. So, many officers said, he was like any other politician and the government could treat him as such.

That view has changed: the army is now treating the Musharraf issue as having symbolic importance: to imprison him would be to insult the army.

Sharif may eventually have to choose between the continued existence of his government and putting Musharraf in prison. And when that time comes there is every reason to believe that he will decide in favour of his remaining in power. Having spent some time in Attock Fort he will have no desire to repeat the experience.

But on this question Nawaz Sharif is playing a long game and will wait until there really is no other option but to let Musharraf go.

For the moment, with the exception of the Musharraf issue, the military has the politicians pretty much where it wants them. And it’s not just the politicians. The whole Geo saga enabled the army to give a brutal warning to the press – step out of line and, even if you have the support of the government, we can close you down.

The only thing the army lacks now is a political alternative to Nawaz Sharif. That was supposed to be Imran Khan’s job but he has proved too unpredictable. The latest idea – of putting Tahirul Qadri forward – is clearly not viable as he lacks anything approaching a political base.

A couple of years ago it really seemed as if alternative power centres were emerging which could hold the politicians and even the military to account. The Supreme Court and the media- - for all their excesses –- were succeeding in annoying those in power on a fairly regular basis. The last few months have seen the pendulum swing back in favour of the military.

The army relies on one argument above all others. That at a time of national crisis it is the only force that holds the country together and should consequently be given the room it needs to operate. If you sit within the army it is a view that makes complete sense. But what officers fail to see is that of you are outside the army (and looking in) you see an institution that has repeatedly broken the law in grabbing power, consumed vast budgets, built more nuclear weapons than the country could ever need, made deals with militants and stuck to a Kashmir policy than can never succeed. Combined, these problems have held back the country’s development.

And so it goes on. It’s business as unusual with the politicians and officers regarding each other with mutual distrust.

The writer is a freelance British journalist, one of the hosts of BBC’s Newshour and the author of the new political thriller, Target Britain.

Twitter: @OwenBennettJone

Email: bennettjones@hotmail.com
 
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Sir,
You are wrong---your post is misleding and deceptive----it is the pakistani public and politicins that are at fault----. If pakistani civilians had joined together against the terrs right from the beginign and considered them the enemy of the state----military had no choice but to follow suite.
But all this time the pakistanis considered them their islamic brothers----and t every military action---the civilians were bashing the military.
You hve Hussein Haqqani's agenda---now don't you---he used to bash ISI----you do it to the military---without prejudice.

Perhaps you prefer the words of Benntett-Jones from the article quoted above?

But what officers fail to see is that of you are outside the army (and looking in) you see an institution that has repeatedly broken the law in grabbing power, consumed vast budgets, built more nuclear weapons than the country could ever need, made deals with militants and stuck to a Kashmir policy than can never succeed. Combined, these problems have held back the country’s development.

The truth is painfully evident: The Army continues to hold Pakistan and its people hostage, and thinks it is secure in its arrogance, impunity and permanence. What does not bend eventually breaks.

However, as Owen also says, " .... what officers fail to see ..." is true for many like you here too.

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Back to the topic, just like Swat, this present operation will be a miserable failure in eradicating its stated goals of eliminating terrorist hideouts.
 
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Perhaps you prefer the words of Benntett-Jones from the article quoted above?quote]


Vcheng,

So what is the big deal about this article-----it clearly states that Nawaz wanted to deal with the indians from position of weaknes as he always did.
It also states that Nawaz cared less about the sacrifices of soldiers and was more interested in Hamid Mir----if it happened in any other country in the west that the prime minister ignored visiting dead soldiers families or injured soldiers but rather went to visit his " BUDDY " the injured news caster---the public and military would have the same reaction----the vietnam era is long gone---. That guy would be losing his seat.
 
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Opinion
Business as usual
Owen Bennett-Jones
Wednesday, July 09, 2014


7-9-2014_260684_l_akb.jpg
A few months ago there were three questions causing tensions between the army and the government. First, would the government continue its futile dialogue with the Taliban or would it support a military offensive in North Waziristan? Second, would Nawaz Sharif persist with his policy of improving relations with India? And third, would the government really try to put General Musharraf in prison?

Two of those issues have now been resolved. For all the political theatre with Modi and despite the gifts for each other’s mothers, Sharif now knows that he will not be able to improve relations with India.

He – like Zardari before him – had hoped that substantially increasing cross-border trade would be the easiest way to rapidly lift living standards for significant numbers of people. And no doubt it would do that. But the army blocked Zardari, it is blocking Sharif and no one expects the situation to change.

And even if the army did suddenly see the benefits of improved relations with Delhi, the prime minister would not be able to deliver the policy because India will not reciprocate unless Pakistan arrests and puts on trial the people who managed the Mumbai attack. And no one expects that to happen.

On the issue of the North Waziristan campaign Sharif bit the bullet, went to the National Assembly and spoke in favour of the army offensive. Many officers hoped for more. How is it, they asked, that Sharif and his ministers rushed down to Karachi to be at the bedside of Hamid Mir when they couldn’t be bothered to be similarly attentive of senior officers killed and injured in the fighting?

It’s a fair question. While defenders of press freedom needed to be seen standing by Hamid Mir, it’s only reasonable to think that the government should show a similar degree of interest in soldiers defending the country from the Taliban. But the issue is of more of an irritation than a potential cause of a deep breach.

Which leaves the issue of General Musharraf. It’s now pretty clear that, if he can, Nawaz Sharif will have his revenge and put Musharraf behind bars. The prime minister has played his hand well, not making any public statements about the case. Instead, he has watched and waited as the judges do their work. Then, whenever the case seems to be moving towards the moment that Musharraf can leave the country, he gently intervenes to put a spanner in the works.

It is causing growing frustration with the army. When Musharraf was first arrested there was a view in the military that the man who once led Pakistan had become deluded and was the author of his own problems. The army had repeatedly advised him not to come back to Pakistan. He ignored that advice and returned anyway. So, many officers said, he was like any other politician and the government could treat him as such.

That view has changed: the army is now treating the Musharraf issue as having symbolic importance: to imprison him would be to insult the army.

Sharif may eventually have to choose between the continued existence of his government and putting Musharraf in prison. And when that time comes there is every reason to believe that he will decide in favour of his remaining in power. Having spent some time in Attock Fort he will have no desire to repeat the experience.

But on this question Nawaz Sharif is playing a long game and will wait until there really is no other option but to let Musharraf go.

For the moment, with the exception of the Musharraf issue, the military has the politicians pretty much where it wants them. And it’s not just the politicians. The whole Geo saga enabled the army to give a brutal warning to the press – step out of line and, even if you have the support of the government, we can close you down.

The only thing the army lacks now is a political alternative to Nawaz Sharif. That was supposed to be Imran Khan’s job but he has proved too unpredictable. The latest idea – of putting Tahirul Qadri forward – is clearly not viable as he lacks anything approaching a political base.

A couple of years ago it really seemed as if alternative power centres were emerging which could hold the politicians and even the military to account. The Supreme Court and the media- - for all their excesses –- were succeeding in annoying those in power on a fairly regular basis. The last few months have seen the pendulum swing back in favour of the military.

The army relies on one argument above all others. That at a time of national crisis it is the only force that holds the country together and should consequently be given the room it needs to operate. If you sit within the army it is a view that makes complete sense. But what officers fail to see is that of you are outside the army (and looking in) you see an institution that has repeatedly broken the law in grabbing power, consumed vast budgets, built more nuclear weapons than the country could ever need, made deals with militants and stuck to a Kashmir policy than can never succeed. Combined, these problems have held back the country’s development.

And so it goes on. It’s business as unusual with the politicians and officers regarding each other with mutual distrust.

The writer is a freelance British journalist, one of the hosts of BBC’s Newshour and the author of the new political thriller, Target Britain.

Twitter: @OwenBennettJone

Email: bennettjones@hotmail.com
Respected sir,
The whole idea seems wrong to me.I believe that it would be much better if Musharraf was imprisoned and trialed by military court rather then civil court as it is cesspit of personal vendetta by these politicians.(To be very honest,I don't know much about judiciary system of military ).
Yes,an officer cannot see rules broken by his general outside the military-but no one tries to think that why he cannot? when your politicians are incapable in taking major important defense and security issues correctly,then what do you expect your military to do?
Damn it,our civil /political establishment is so incapable and weak that it cannot handle a fragile media group and instead of standing with the military sector they go against it and show support for Geo,what do you expect military to do?
....اپنی فوج کندھوں پر ہاتھ تو رکھ کر دیکھو
Regards
 
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Vcheng,
So what is the big deal about this article-----it clearly states that Nawaz wanted to deal with the indians from position of weaknes as he always did.
It also states that Nawaz cared less about the sacrifices of soldiers and was more interested in Hamid Mir----if it happened in any other country in the west that the prime minister ignored visiting dead soldiers families or injured soldiers but rather went to visit his " BUDDY " the injured news caster---the public and military would have the same reaction----the vietnam era is long gone---. That guy would be losing his seat.

Sir, you have clearly missed what the article is about. It is not about NS, but the Army, and how it continues to go about its set ways, to the detriment of the country.

I previously stated that "The Army will now either divest itself completely and kill its creation, or succumb to it. There is no third option." With the way Zarb-e-Azb has been and is being conducted, it is obvious that the Army will continue with its policy of protecting certain elements, which will only create bigger problems for the State later on.
 
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Sir, you have clearly missed what the article is about. It is not about NS, but the Army, and how it continues to go about its set ways, to the detriment of the country.

I previously stated that "The Army will now either divest itself completely and kill its creation, or succumb to it. There is no third option." With the way Zarb-e-Azb has been and is being conducted, it is obvious that the Army will continue with its policy of protecting certain elements, which will only create bigger problems for the State later on.
Sir,with due respect what are those elements which army is trying to protect,when it is cleaning up it's own creation?
Instead,our political establishment is desperately trying to protect some elements instead of supporting military directly.
Regards
 
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