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First of all, any regular unit destined to go in the COIN Ops area has to go through a 3 months COIN course to get them trained & used to what they are gonna face. Any unit not qualifying this course is not sent for this operation. So a COIN training course is in place now.

Secondly, no where in the world COIN operations have been conducted or succeeded by just the special forces, the combination of both regular & SF is required for a success.

Take the example of Sri Lanka, where their SF where doing behind enemy line operations & other highly risky tasks while the regular units where advancing & capturing the LTTE area & smashing their defenses.

Same is the case here, SSG is not employed in frontal assaults on the militants until extremely necessary meaning the task is of high importance. They are used for behind the enemy line operations, special raids, targeting purposes, reconnaissance purposes & the recent example of the air assault in Peochar Valley is a good example as this kind of operation needed special skills which the SSG provided.

But the majority of work load has been on the regular units who have made & make the initial advances toward the militant controlled area & have been involved in fierce clashes with them & after capturing an area have to clear it & hold it too.

The importance of both SF & regular forces is there, but the amount of work to be done is not equal. SF are less in numbers so they are deployed for only special purposes, the regular army units do most of the donkey work.

So calling SSG the reason of this operation success would be unjust as the regular units have seen more action & they are the ones who do the frontal assault, search & destroy operations & hold the captured ground. SSG has been there to help them & guide them in many of the operations too & do their own share of work.

Its a team effort, SSG & regular units & PAF are one team, who have & are doing the job.

You are in the end accepting the important role of SSG , agreed its a team work but SSG played vital role for which they are trained.

Any how good analysis , keep it up
 
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You are in the end accepting the important role of SSG , agreed its a team work but SSG played vital role for which they are trained.

Any how good analysis , keep it up

Bhai mere, i never rejected the importance of the role played by SSG, it was you who said its only due to SSG which i rejected & said that both have their own importance from the start.

Ajeeb banday hoo yaar.
 
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Bhai mere, i never rejected the importance of the role played by SSG, it was you who said its only due to SSG which i rejected & said that both have their own importance from the start.

Ajeeb banday hoo yaar.

Where i used word "only" in my post ?

SSG had done most vital and dangrous job so they deserve more appreciation .

I hope in Waziristan also SSG will be deployed first and then ground forces will advance to support SSG and to retain the area of strategic importance.

In mountain area Arial bombing and Artilery fire is not much effective.

I hope now you understood.

Iqbal hamesah dar se ata hai:D
 
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Ok both of you, quit it!!

i think i have already stopped you from getting into this SSG vs Regulars debate, it's useless, you know.

SSG spearheaded most of the operations/assaults but the the most of the brunt was also faced by the Regulars. They worked and are working in tandem and consonance and the last thing i want here is a comparison!
 
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Where i used word "only" in my post ?

SSG had done most vital and dangrous job so they deserve more appreciation .

I hope in Waziristan also SSG will be deployed first and then ground forces will advance to support SSG and to retain the area of strategic importance.

In mountain area Arial bombing and Artilery fire is not much effective.

I hope now you understood.

Iqbal hamesah dar se ata hai:D

I used the word only not "only", meaning i did not quote you to have used that word, used the bold only just to emphasize on your thinking.

I think credit of success of swat goes to SSG have no match in the world.No doubt ISI is think tank of army.

From this statement, anyone can think that you are giving the credit of success of swat operation only to SSG while ignoring the other troops.

I hope am clear now, anyway as I said & so did Xeric & fatman Sirs, both are necessary for the success of any COIN operation, SSG can not on its own win this war, it has to be both of them. The number of operations done by SSG are less compared to regular troops but yes in importance the individual operations are highly important.

And in the previous operation in SWA, SSG on a few occasions did take a beating too, but now they have learned their lessons as they now know their enemy & hopefully will rout the enemy.
 
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I used the word only not "only", meaning i did not quote you to have used that word, used the bold only just to emphasize on your thinking.



From this statement, anyone can think that you are giving the credit of success of swat operation only to SSG while ignoring the other troops.

I hope am clear now, anyway as I said & so did Xeric & fatman Sirs, both are necessary for the success of any COIN operation, SSG can not on its own win this war, it has to be both of them. The number of operations done by SSG are less compared to regular troops but yes in importance the individual operations are highly important.

And in the previous operation in SWA, SSG on a few occasions did take a beating too, but now they have learned their lessons as they now know their enemy & hopefully will rout the enemy.

Who is ignoring other troops?

SSG played key role in swat victory, it does not mean regular army had done nothing.

Please dont creat confusions.

Good night:wave:
 
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Who is ignoring other troops?

SSG played key role in swat victory, it does not mean regular army had done nothing.

Please dont creat confusions.

Good night:wave:

HEY! come on you crazy "SOILDERS"!
WE have enemy to DESTROY!
CAPTURING a pice of land , needs SSG!
HOLDING tht, pice of land needs "REGULARS"

where you eve been, from the class, attending calls from grils! hah.:cheers:
 
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What is situation and condition of local police in these areas. It is very very important to have an efficient, skilled and well equipped police force as army can't do police job.
 
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What is situation and condition of local police in these areas. It is very very important to have an efficient, skilled and well equipped police force as army can't do police job.

no such efficient, skilled and well equipped police exist in pakistan except for motorway police but they r different.
 
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Britain building FC training camp in Balochistan

LONDON: Britain is building a training camp for the Frontier Corps (FC) paramilitary force to help in the fight against the Taliban in the lawless border area with southern Afghanistan, according to a report in a UK daily on Friday.

The Times said Britain also planned to base 24 army trainers at the camp in Balochistan for a three-year stint from August next year, when construction is due to finish.

The British personnel would work alongside six US trainers at the camp, which is designed to house 550 people, the newspaper reported, quoting a senior official at the British High Commission in Islamabad.

The camp will train 360 FC soldiers at a time, on 12-week courses, the official said.

The report said the plan was politically sensitive because the British and US trainers would be the first foreign forces formally stationed in Balochistan since independence in 1947.

afp
 
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Britain building FC training camp in Balochistan

LONDON: Britain is building a training camp for the Frontier Corps (FC) paramilitary force to help in the fight against the Taliban in the lawless border area with southern Afghanistan, according to a report in a UK daily on Friday.

The Times said Britain also planned to base 24 army trainers at the camp in Balochistan for a three-year stint from August next year, when construction is due to finish.

The British personnel would work alongside six US trainers at the camp, which is designed to house 550 people, the newspaper reported, quoting a senior official at the British High Commission in Islamabad.

The camp will train 360 FC soldiers at a time, on 12-week courses, the official said.

The report said the plan was politically sensitive because the British and US trainers would be the first foreign forces formally stationed in Balochistan since independence in 1947.

afp

Its mean high tech serveillance equipment shall be provided to Pakistan.
 
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Britain building FC training camp in Balochistan

LONDON: Britain is building a training camp for the Frontier Corps (FC) paramilitary force to help in the fight against the Taliban in the lawless border area with southern Afghanistan, according to a report in a UK daily on Friday.

The Times said Britain also planned to base 24 army trainers at the camp in Balochistan for a three-year stint from August next year, when construction is due to finish.

The British personnel would work alongside six US trainers at the camp, which is designed to house 550 people, the newspaper reported, quoting a senior official at the British High Commission in Islamabad.

The camp will train 360 FC soldiers at a time, on 12-week courses, the official said.

The report said the plan was politically sensitive because the British and US trainers would be the first foreign forces formally stationed in Balochistan since independence in 1947.

afp

first foreign forces formally stationed in Balochistan since independence in 1947 ?? i think u never visited quetta cantt since 5 years?
 
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first foreign forces formally stationed in Balochistan since independence in 1947 ?? i think u never visited quetta cantt since 5 years?

i am only quoting afp !!!
 
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Position on Ground

AIM
• To destroy all the capabilities of Baitullah Mahsud, kill as much Terrorists as you can.
• Distroy whole TTP infrastructure in SWA
• Captureing or killing Baitullah and his Operational Chief Hakeemullah Mahsud Aka Zulifqar Mahsud as Priority


Friendly Forces
• Molvi Nazir
• Haji Turkistani and Bhittani Tribe
• Abdullah Mahsud Group commanded By Qari Zainuddin of Mahsud tribe

Enemy Forces

• Mahsuds

• TTP Cadre who Ran Away from SWAT and Other Tribal Areas

• IMU (ISLAMIC MOVEMENT OF UZBAKISTAN) and AL Qaida

• Secterian terror Groups like Lashker Jhungvi and Jeash Muhammad etc

Isn't he already dead ?
 
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In the Pakistani mountains of Waziristan, young jihadis wait for martyrdom - Telegraph

In the Pakistani mountains of Waziristan, young jihadis wait for martyrdom
In the mountains along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, a massive battle looms.


By Arif Janjua in South Waziristan and Nick Meo
Published: 8:36AM BST 11 Oct 2009

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Thousands of Pakistani soldiers are waiting for orders to launch an offensive that could change the course of their country's bloody struggle against the Taliban.


The operation is an attempt to end Pakistan's escalating terrorist violence, which last week alone saw 50 people killed in a carbomb that ripped through a marketplace. A brazen attack yesterday on the army's headquarters also left six soldiers dead.

The army's target is South Waziristan, a lawless tribal region. It is the headquarters of the jihad against Islamabad's rulers and a key training ground for fighters in the war against British and American troops across the frontier.

Waiting to do battle with government soldiers is an army of 10,000 local fighters, along with thousands of foreign jihadists allied to al-Qaeda, for which the area has long been a refuge - possibly even for Osama bin Laden himself.

All summer American officials have urged the Pakistan to launch a knockout blow. US officials believe the Taliban has been on the ropes since they were driven out of the valley of Swat, further north, last May, and now is the time to strike.

The government offensive is not guaranteed success, however. Last week reporter Arif Janjua travelled into the heart of the Taliban stronghold to meet the jihadists who are keenly waiting to embrace martyrdom.


With his AK-47 and confident stare, Yousaf looked like just another of the tribal fighters in the abandoned villages of South Waziristan who are steeling themselves for battle.

He was one of a group of dozens of young men - many of them teenagers - that were lounging around after prayers, joking and relaxed. They looked more as if they were on a picnic than preparing for what may be the climatic battle in their war against Pakistan's rulers, yet their resolve did not seem in doubt.

"There are thousands more like me who have come here to join our Muslim brothers," he said. "We are ready to fight these Pakistani soldiers who are doing the work of the American unbelievers."

Yousaf is a foreign jihadi from China, one of a small army who have flocked from across the Islamic world to the Taliban stronghold. They are here in search of martyrdom, and in the next few days they may achieve their dream; a few miles away, a massive force is assembled.

The Pakistani troops - many of them teenage boys recruited from the villages like the Taliban fighters - have high morale after a series of successes against the Taliban elsewhere in Pakistan this summer. But they know they have been given the toughest job possible; crush the Taliban in their most impregnable stronghold.

They were making preparations out of sight behind a range of low hills. Infantrymen were greasing their rifles in positions protected by sandbags, alongside artillery guns and tanks ready to pound the enemy - and any villagers unwise enough to have stayed in their homes.

The Taliban fiefdom of Waziristan has become a state within a state. It is where suicide bombers are prepared. Its young men volunteer in droves to fight the Americans and British across the border, or for suicide missions. Al-Qaeda uses the region to train fighters.

Foreign fighters allied to al-Qaeda - the men who Pakistani soldiers fear most, and sworn enemies of the West - have deep roots in Waziristan, marrying local women and training tribesmen in bomb-making skills.

The army has previously launched three bloody and chaotic invasions of the tribal areas - each time pulling out after encountering fierce resistance.

For centuries the tribal areas have been beyond the reach and administration of central government - whether under British colonial or independent Pakistani rule.

With no government control, the region has become Pakistan's jihad headquarters, awash with foreigners.

About 1,000 Islamist fighters from nearby Uzbekistan are thought to be based there, together with hundreds more Arabs and Chechens.

Yousaf, who is a member of the Uighur Muslim minority in China, had travelled hundreds of miles from the Chinese city of Kashgar to learn how to fight jihad.

He talked in a quiet, confident voice, describing his joy at the prospect of fighting the enemies of Islam. Jets circled high overhead. Muffled, distant explosions echoed around the mountains.

He was one of the bodyguards of Khan Bahadur, a Pakistani Taliban commander who was busily preparing his men for a bloody fight.

Commander Bahadur, a squat man in his late forties with a fierce stare, was preparing his scruffy teenage fighters with a rousing speech in a village square to face the Pakistani troops.

"In a few days time Pakistan will see what you are made of," he growled. His young fighters gripped the stocks of their AK-47s tightly and grinned back, happy at the prospect of battle.

They were armed with machine-guns, rocket-launchers, and landmines and bombs, simple weapons which can wreak havoc on an invading army if deployed by skilful guerrillas who know their business.

Watching nearby was another middle-ranking Taliban commander, Sher Alam. He claimed he had been declared dead after a drone strike in August. But, as with so many reported deaths of commanders in drone strikes, here he was - living proof of the limitations of fighting terrorists remotely from the air.

Mr Alam refused to give an interview because he did not have permission from his superiors - less a sign of camera shyness, more an indicator of the military-style discipline the Pakistan Taliban now enforces.

For the last week he has once again been trying to dodge the helicopter strikes, artillery barrages, and drone attacks which have pounded Waziristan, aimed at killing leaders.

The foreign fighters who protect Mr Bahadur - including Yousaf - have sworn to fight to the death if he is attacked by troops. They are a status symbol in the tribal region - a sign to his followers that a leader has access to money, weapons and training from al-Qaeda sympathisers overseas.

Yousaf, who would only give his first name, left his homeland because he believes the Chinese are occupiers. Earlier this year Muslim Uighurs fought Chinese police in the streets of Urumqi, a big city in the vast province of Xinjiang in the west of China. As in Tibet, Chinese settlers have flooded in and much of its traditional culture has been destroyed. He left years ago, his anger driving him all the way to Waziristan for military training, and now an imminent battle with Pakistani soldiers.

The villages, hamlets and bare, scrubby fields around him were eerily quiet. Civilians have joined the Taliban, or moved out days ago to safer places.

Some homes show signs of bomb damage from aerial attack.

The Sunday Telegraph's journey to the fighters' territory required careful planning. First, trusted intermediaries had to be contacted and the commander's personal guarantee of safety had to be obtained. Then a journey was made from army lines across a no man's land - civilians are permitted to travel between the Taliban and government-controlled zones. Once in Waziristan, the road was controlled by Taliban fighters manning checkpoints, young men with beards and long flowing hair. They roughly frisk travellers and threaten to shoot anyone they suspect may be a spy. They rummage through possessions in the belief that the CIA gives satellite phones to its agents to call in airstrikes.

"If the soldiers come to our land I am ready to fight them," said one of them, a teenager called Ijazullah, who only had one name. "I am ready to die. I am even ready for a suicide mission if that is required."

Old men, veterans of dozens of battles, were ready to join the teenagers.

"I remember when the British rulers attacked Waziristan," said Hazrat Hussein, a farmer aged 70 who has shouldered a rusty Kalashnikov to join the fight. "The British could not control these tribes," he added with pride.

The current cycle of fighting in the region began with the killing of Taliban supremo Baitullah Mehsud, hit by a missile fired from a US drone early in August. After a short chaotic period of factional fighting and jostling for position, a new leader emerged, Hakimullah Mehsud.

He too was hastily declared dead by Pakistani officials, who said he had been assassinated in a factional struggle. But last week, to their embarrassment, he emerged to give an interview to local journalists.

Mr Hussein insisted that under Mr Mehsud's leadership, the tribes were united, and would again defeat the Pakistan army.

"This will not be like Swat," Mr Hussein added, referring to the Pakistan army's successful operation further north last May which drove the Taliban back. "The people here support the Taliban strongly. They feed them and help them."

Far beyond Waziristan, the Taliban have launched bloody attacks this week - a common tactic to try to terrorise the population into urging the army to call off their offensives.

A suicide bombing in a bazaar in Peshawar on Friday killed 41 people and injured more than 100, including many children. On Tuesday an attack on a United Nations base in the capital Islamabad killed five. Yesterday six fighters were also killed during an audacious assault on the Pakistani army's main headquarters in Rawalpindi, near the capital, Islamabad.

"We have no option but to carry out an operation in South Waziristan," the interior minister, Rehman Malik, said on Friday.

"All roads are leading to South Waziristan. We will have to proceed."

It is not a view all agree with.

"If the government wanted to get rid of all the Taliban from Waziristan it would be easy," said Dilnawaz Khan, a soldier who served in the Frontier Corps for 18 years before retiring to run a tea stall in the city of Bannu.

"The officials have double standards. They don't really want to crush these Taliban or so-called terrorists because they want to blackmail the Americans to get sympathy and money."

A few miles away from his Taliban counterparts, Brigadier Javid Malik, the second in command of the Pakistan army operation, begged to differ.

"Now is the time to crush the Taliban," he said over a cup of milky tea in his office in an army barracks in Bannu.

"With them everything revolves around leadership, and since Baitullah Mehsud's death they have been in disarray. We are not going to give them more time to rebuild their power."

Then an orderly came into the room to tell him about the suicide bomb in Peshawar. The interview was over.

Brigadier Malik rushed out, his cup of tea still unfinished on the table
 
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