Open Discussion: Myanmar and Bangladesh Armed Force

[Nabil365]

But both of Myanmar and Bangladesh ships are no where near to Singapore's formidable class frigate

 

[Penguin]

Helicopters, and if you get lucky a fighter that stupidly comes in below 10,000 feet to attack.

During the Falklands war, very low level attacks by IAI Dagger and Douglas A4 Skyhawks proved especially lethal to the RN. Picture the aircraft flying at bridge level and using cover part of the islands as cover against radar. At that time, both sides to the conflict used (hand held) Blowpipe MANPADS, which was found to be particularly ineffective when used to engage a crossing target or to chase a target moving rapidly away from the operator. Of the 95 missiles fired by the British, only 9 managed to destroy their targets and all of these were slow flying planes and helicopters. A later report determined that only two kills could be attributed to Blowpipe. Developed from Blowpipe were Javelin, Starburst and - ultimately - Startstreak missiles.

See a Dagger attacking one of the Brit LPDs (hint: look between the masts) on the Brit Imperial War Museum site:
http://zoom.iwm.org.uk/view/32875&cat=photographs&oid=object-205189469

Not just in the face of Blowpipe, but also of landbased Rapier and shipbased systems like Sea Cat, Sea Wolf, Sea Dart.

While Gibka would not be a hand-held but rather a remotely operated unit and the missile used would be more modern, the threat still posed by high speed fighter attack at wavetop level should not be underestimated.

http://pvo.guns.ru/naval/gybka.htm

But both of Myanmar and Bangladesh ships are no where near to Singapore's formidable class frigate

The only relevant question is: who is each of these navies' most likely adversary and what does that opponent field. There's always more goodies in the cookie jar than you can have.

 

[UKBengali]

well.. dude.. did u google about Gibka..!? as far as i know , the same range with FL-3000N .. 6 km.. i admitted our ship is seriously need AD upgrade.. but our navy is focusing in building more ships.. in december , 1 more frigate and more LCU will be commissioned.. which take much time.. installing and upgrading will follow slowly..

FL3000N has 9km range agaist sub-sonic targets and 6km range against supersonic targets. Also 2 targets can be engaged at the same time and it's speed of >Mach 2.5 is more than the Mach 1.9 of the Gibka. The FL-3000N is a much better system than Gibka.

 

[Aung Zaya]

During the Falklands war, very low level attacks by IAI Dagger and Douglas A4 Skyhawks proved especially lethal to the RN. Picture the aircraft flying at bridge level and using cover part of the islands as cover against radar. At that time, both sides to the conflict used (hand held) Blowpipe MANPADS, which was found to be particularly ineffective when used to engage a crossing target or to chase a target moving rapidly away from the operator. Of the 95 missiles fired by the British, only 9 managed to destroy their targets and all of these were slow flying planes and helicopters. A later report determined that only two kills could be attributed to Blowpipe. Developed from Blowpipe were Javelin, Starburst and - ultimately - Startstreak missiles.

See a Dagger attacking one of the Brit LPDs (hint: look between the masts) on the Brit Imperial War Museum site:
http://zoom.iwm.org.uk/view/32875&cat=photographs&oid=object-205189469

Not just in the face of Blowpipe, but also of landbased Rapier and shipbased systems like Sea Cat, Sea Wolf, Sea Dart.

While Gibka would not be a hand-held but rather a remotely operated unit and the missile used would be more modern, the threat still posed by high speed fighter attack at wavetop level should not be underestimated.

http://pvo.guns.ru/naval/gybka.htm


The only relevant question is: who is each of these navies' most likely adversary and what does that opponent field. There's always more goodies in the cookie jar than you can have.

thz bro... it's very informative..

 

[Aung Zaya]

FL3000N has 9km range agaist sub-sonic targets and 6km range against supersonic targets. Also 2 targets can be engaged at the same time and it's speed of >Mach 2.5 is more than the Mach 1.9 of the Gibka. The FL-3000N is a much better system than Gibka.

Great..!!!

 

[~Phoenix~]

@Aung Zaya and other guys,sorry for my late reply...I was grounded because I keep skipping school...

BVR capable is what..!? may be technically BVR capable... due to its airframe... it will never as good as MiG-29...

if so at least 36 of our F-7 were isreal upgraded..
packed EL/M 2032 rader inside... which is better than KLJ-6E/F ( chinses built of EL/M 2001b) of BD's F-7.. so can we added them in 4th gen..?

then we have
31 MiG-29
36+ F-7
16 JF-17 block 2
3+ Yak-130
so we have 87+ 4th gen aircraft... lol



lol.. what ..? without R & D and TOT , making own designed frigate..!? lol how..!? may be paper frigate..!?

BGI is heavily upgraded with fully new avoinics similar to J-10 ones,sightly re-designed airframe to give much more manouevrability,a radar with 86+ km range...And the best variant of the F-7s...But I think JF-17/FC-1 is a better choice though...

Congrats for getting those JF-17/FC-1s..But MM didn't get the delivery of them yet though...And Yak-130? Really?

Own designed Corvettes and LPCs duh...

16 Yak-130's on order. 3 delivered. 16 JF-17's on order. Deliveries starting 2017 most likely. Word is that there's some TOT component to the JF-17 deal. I'm not particularly happy about JF-17s but they're an upgrade on F-7's.



Is this your Lamborghini?

JF-17 is a hell lot better than the F-7s I'd say...but isnt that the Lamborghini Burmese people use?

i dont think Pak will give us assembling right like K-8s..! may be just some components of them..

China might though...

I'd settle for that. The only positive I could see from buying JF-17's would be to boost our aerospace industry and in the future licence build our own planes.

Why doesn't MM try to reverse engineer the K-8 since you guys are assembling them,its gonna be a headstart for you...

i think may be much more than that bro..
coz JF can carry varities of precision Bomb.. good for insurgency.. also it can used in maritime strike which is lack now coz it can carry 3 C-802A Ashm.. plus low maintainance cost.. suitable for stop-gap and to replace with F-7.. if we get assembly right.. it would a good deal bro..

Thats why I prefer the JF-17/FC-1 over the F-7 BGIs ;-;

Oh no, absolutely. JF-17's can also carry the C-802 so we can have a naval standoff weapon (I know we have Kh-35 but I don't know whether they can be fitted on our MiG-29's). But it's a cheap stop-gap to replace our F-7's. I was hoping we could get some Flankers to increase our front-line fighter abilities. I know our fighter pilots have been asking for Flankers for a while 'cos the MiG-29's have short range as have the F-7's.

Flankers? Don't you think a little too much old,bro? Try the Su-30s...

Nice pic brolay! If they can fire Kh-35's then their Bongobundu is toast.

Oh,wait...one missile can down a frigate? You sure? And you spelt "BNS Bangabandhu" wrong,my friend.And we have dedicated air defence systems ( FM-90 ) on that frigate to intercept such missiles...

Damn good hanger..in 2nd pic

I know,this place lightened up when they got those Yaks...before that,they used to fly ancient T-33 tweets...

why we need to appoarch to ur Frigate.?.. just send some kh-35 and C-802A from MiG-29 and JF-17..

JF-17/FC-1 is not delivered yet...and we have suitable counterparts ( FM-90 ) for it...and remind me how many submarines you have?

8 fm-90 will be shot to bring down Myanmar's most capable fighters....View attachment 319763:roasted:

I know...it will be an insult to Mikoyan-Gurevich when they will hear that 31 of their MiG-29s could not bring down a frigate.....Sorry,Mikoyan-Gurevich...

Bro it'll be shot down before it even attempts to strike the ship.Just see the speed of the missile,both are under Mach 1....

They can never get their hands on BrahMos,their so only alternative for it is CX-01 missile...

Fm-90 capability against sea skimming path profile of say C-802A is probably quite poor. It (FM-90) is no Barak 8, thats for sure....not to mention the sensor profile on the BNS Bangabandhu is not a really top tier one.

Lets ask
@AUSTERLITZ and @Penguin for their input.

Still enough to wreck the Burmese,bro...

The picture in your post #200 is not that of FM-90, but of C-802 or C-803. As far as I know BD Navy has procured C-802 in 2008 for the Navy. The airforce has procured FM-90, a SHORD (Short range air defense system) missiles to defend various important installations from enemy air attack. FM-90s have been placed in and around big cities and long bridges. Please click the link below for news about C-802 induction by the Navy:

http://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-36354

Well,our BNS BB is armed with the naval version of FM-90,and that is an FM-90 not a C-802. -.-
Army,Navy,Air Force all operates FM-90...

Haha. Bongos are so touchy. I'm not saying you don't have C-802's. That's the main weapon system on your frigates. I'm saying the ones in the pic aren't c-802s. They look more like an air defence system.

Leave it,bro....Its clear that its the naval version of FM-90...

They also have their CIWS system though so it's two lines of defence. To theoretically knock out the Banghabandhu it'll probably need a coordinated attack from air and sea.

Agreed....also you need some submarines as well...

for army..View attachment 320009

FN16,QW18,fm90s r there..but not sure about LY60D..

@Aung Zaya bro,check the 902 AM Fire Control System at the upper part of the pic...

LY-80E is for the air force...

let me get straight here

3 to 4 squadrons of fighter is around 48 to 72 fighter, the average prices for modern 4 gen fighter is around 55 million to 115 million US dollar price tag (from the largely cheaper SAAB Gripen C/D to the omnipotent yet expensive Rafale). To procure such large number of fighter you will need around 2,64 billion US dollar to whopping 9 billion US dollar (depending on the fighter you bought). And that's not alone, to procure such large number BD need to revamp her Airbase and training facilities and not to mention to upgrade and rebuilt her training school, as we all know the trainer fighter BD had is insufficient in number to train the needed pilots to manning such large number of fighter. And hence u need to double your efforts to built your training facility and then thats mean more money to be throwing at. The problems is not stop to there, BD as far as i know only had limited infrastructure to policing and managing the traffic of their Air Forces units (Air Traffic Controller and MATC), to upgrade them and directed your flight units efficiently you need to build more Airforward Base Controller and Ground Radar Station Unit, that's mean more money to built those facilities. My best guess, BD need at least 4 to 8 billion US dollar to getting another 2 decent 4 gen squadrons, and more time (around 8 to 15 years depending on your resolve) to built the all needed infrastructure and train the pilots and all of the Ground Crew.

Frankly, neither Myanmar or Bangladesh, at this moment had the capacity to raise such large number of fighter squadrons in near time. Both of you need time and more money to throw at

Thats already underway...and by the way,we are getting 10 squadrons of 4.5 generation aircrafts by 2030...and we CAN afford it especially with our whooping economic growth...

So what about naval standoff weapons? What can Bangladesh do from the air to take out our fleet? And I mean either what you have now or firm orders, none of this "We're buying 10 squadrons of F-35's in 20 years" nonsense.

Our navy is more than enough for that...especially with the Mings and upcoming Kilos....
And our government is procuring those 10 squadrons of 4.5 Gen aircrafts...and it is officially confirmed by the Prime Minister herself...

Plus your navy can't get close to our shores...Russia,China and India offered us long range land based shore missile system...even the BrahMos was offered...and we will see our government using one of the those in the next few years...I think MM is doing the same...

You need to getting the idea on how procurement of any platform will always be accompanied by another support and infrastructure items. Even if you bought the exact same of fighter like the previous one you had, let said, Mig 29 you must considering the limit and ability of your current infrastructure to hold and maintain them. If Bangladesh is full of dough like what you said, there is no need for your Air Force to keep, maintain and bought such oldies like F-7 BGI in first place as stop gap unit. Not to mention, Bangladesh Air Force had other priorities besides fighter, like what the Hercules and other carrier fleets you had is very old and need replacement ASAP, more modern Ground radar unit and station to augment your early detection capability and so on.

For Myanmar, if they can bought more Mig-29 fighter, they will not to chose JF-17 at first place. So funding is a big issue for them

Well,BGI shit is just for a few years...We can't just throw away our F-7s and other old stuff now...wait for a few years,Madok....

See, that argument may work for Myanmar as we actually have to plan for far bigger threats like Thailand but it doesn't work for you as the only other country you face is India and there's no chance of anything meaningful against them. So your only objective is to attempt parity with us (which you don't have). Don't be a clown all your life, iadjani, spreading your deluded ideas about the world. Just answer the question.

Well,I support the co-operation of both countries since we both are poor and have a backward economy,and having enemies at your gates never leads to anything good...

That's not parity. That's maintenance of superiority. When you have more and better of something than what someone else has, that is superiority. Difficult concept to follow I know but try.

MM is just keeping up with us,nothing else @TopCat

if your government is seriously tough about procuring 4 squadrons of modern fighter by 2021, at least, right now they had placed initial order for a batch of fighter like what we did with Su-35 and F-16. But so far there is no news about them, the only thing happened is, your government had almost exact planning like what other Air Forces will do, that's is to build the around infrastructure first and then when all the things is set and done they will move further by acquiring the batch of trainer fighter, not in large number but sufficiently enough to see the fruit of their hard work to built the infrastructure and adjust them with the surrounding plan

Our government is too secretive...if you are inquistive about this,it can land you in jail very very soon...

in case of Yak , we dont rush.. our negotitation started in 2014.. finalized in 2015 and delievery start at the end of this year.. may be even starting before u.. or not different time interval between us..

Well,our Yaks have been delivered by now...
And its a very nice bird with capabilities similar to Su-25...

DAT ARAMENT

if so we can also say that we assembled K-8w , u tried to get them.. when we got license built Igla-S locally.., u tried to get that of QW-2.. and again we bought Mi-24P , u followed with order of more Mi-17 V5 attack version.. so can we say u're following Myanmar way..? Actually , no.. both armed force are just following the way of own road map or long term programme.. nothing more nothing less

Our ways are similar though...

That's funny because before we showed you unequivocally that we have the superior military

Umm,how many submarines you have?

Request? It has to materialise (there is thing called funding). Did BD navy put out what classes it is interested in for this request? What is sunday korea?

Government has given navy 40 billion taka for 4 frigates...2 new 2 second hand...
Things here are like:
Navy : We want a thousand billion dollars to buy a thousand aircraft carriers and a million destroyers and a billion nuclear submarines
Government : Sure,take all the bling-bling stuff you like and leave the rest for our swiss bank accounts...
Army : We want some hot stuff as well.
Government : Sure,use the money left by the navy.
Air Force:How about us?
Government: Not now,later...

I think Myanmar Air Force and IAF should do some exercises then. Will be an excellent opportunity for your Airforce to learn about Su-30 and may be our guys would get to know JF-17..

Whaaat??? You are gonna leave your puppet state? Fine,we'll train with Pakistanis...we'll know about JF-17 and they'll know about our MiG-29s and upcoming Su-30

Myanmar Kyan Shittha class (two ships) till now still being equipped with turret mounted IGLA system and some 30x6 AK 630 CIWS

Meanwhile their Aung Ze ya class is being equipped with Strela MANPADS and AK 630 CIWS

not much, Bangabandu still had the edge against any Myanmar frigate, and the two type 56 corvette the BD has is comparable with the rest of Myanmar vessels although is far smaller and has less endurance as being a corvette class

Theres no ship in MM navy that can fire SAMs and till they think they are better than us...

Other than the Bongobandu and the two corvettes, the rest of your fleet relies on guns for their air defence.


That's a good subject. What are the SEAD/anti-radiation capabilities of Bangladesh?

Does your fleet have anything to shoot at air targets?????

Currently BD can only attack Myanmar Navy using anti-ship missiles from it's frigates/corvettes.

The air-force does not posses anti-ship missiles and so would have to go in close to use it's LGBs/SGBs which it can do relatively safely since the Myanmar Navy is very weak in air-defence.

Yeah,plus our Mings and upcoming Kilo submarines can wreck them...

Pictures of a Vertical Launch System (VLS) SAM.

Its their wet dream

 

[Nilgiri]

Still enough to wreck the Burmese,bro...

Not really given the Burmese can train against such systems and prepare the best attack plan.

Heck they can even do a DPSA mission with close to all of their Mig 29s simultaneously (some carrying A2G, others to provide A2A cover) to take out BNS Bangabandhu and any corvettes they can catch napping when they are at port in a surprise attack. BAF has little it can do esp if burmese Airforce takes a sea based approach like the Israelis did against Egypt in 1967.

That too this is just one possible strike scenario....they would have developed contigency plans for a worst case scenario (BNS BangaBandhu out at sea with full escort) as well with the results from their tests of how to launch sea skimmers to best get past a frigate and its escorts defences.

Likewise Bangladesh would have developed such scenarios itself.

There is no side that anyone can call confidently as "wrecking" the other. It all depends on multiple factors and how the precise situation unfolds.

 

[Aung Zaya]

BGI is heavily upgraded with fully new avoinics similar to J-10 ones,sightly re-designed airframe to give much more manouevrability,a radar with 86+ km range...And the best variant of the F-7s...But I think JF-17/FC-1 is a better choice though...

https://defence.pk/threads/china-ma...rt-bangladesh-paint-job-is-done.214872/page-8

Congrats for getting those JF-17/FC-1s..But MM didn't get the delivery of them yet though...And Yak-130? Really?

http://sputniknews.com/business/20160426/1038620607/yak-deliveries-rostec.html
both will be arrived at the end of this year...

Why doesn't MM try to reverse engineer the K-8 since you guys are assembling them,its gonna be a headstart for you..

Well... we're thinking about that long time ago.. that's why we are sending scholar to Russia for aviation tech..
for this year... we got
1 D.Sc candidate (Doctor of Design Construction & Manufacture of Aircraft) from MATI (Russian State University of Aviation Technology)..........
and another D.Sc (Doctor of Technical Science) from MAI( Moscow Aviation Institute).... and many more M.Sc from Russian Universities on Aviation...

Thats why I prefer the JF-17/FC-1 over the F-7 BGIs ;-;

Does your fleet have anything to shoot at air targets?????

MiG-29SMT can fire Kh-35 and Kh-31 AshM...

 

[alaungphaya]

Does your fleet have anything to shoot at air targets?????

All our frigates and corvettes carry air defence missiles. Only 3 of your fleet does.

@Penguin At what point does having an upgraded air defence system become more advantageous than having multiple CIWS? If the main threats are ship borne AShM then is having a system like Glibka and multiple CIWS preferable to having an FL3000? Or is it entirely dependent on the radar system installed (I know nothing about naval warfare)?

nope.. 4 bro.. plus some DI made glatling gun... it can operate in both Automatic and manual..
View attachment 320395

Nice. Is it the Russian AK-630 or is it something else?

Currently BD can only attack Myanmar Navy using anti-ship missiles from it's frigates/corvettes.

The air-force does not posses anti-ship missiles and so would have to go in close to use it's LGBs/SGBs which it can do relatively safely since the Myanmar Navy is very weak in air-defence.

No they can't since they will not have air superiority and they'll be intercepted by our AF. That's why it's all about air superiority.

But both of Myanmar and Bangladesh ships are no where near to Singapore's formidable class frigate
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Planning on starting a war with Singapore?

 

[~Phoenix~]

Well... we're thinking about that long time ago.. that's why we are sending scholar to Russia for aviation tech..
for this year... we got
1 D.Sc candidate (Doctor of Design Construction & Manufacture of Aircraft) from MATI (Russian State University of Aviation Technology)..........
and another D.Sc (Doctor of Technical Science) from MAI( Moscow Aviation Institute).... and many more M.Sc from Russian Universities on Aviation...

Okay,but our first indigneous aircraft will be flown on 2021...

MiG-29SMT can fire Kh-35 and Kh-31 AshM...

You didn't answer my question to the point...

No they can't since they will not have air superiority and they'll be intercepted by our AF. That's why it's all about air superiority.

Thats in your borders,we have superiority in our territory...same as every country in the world...am I right?

Nice. Is it the Russian AK-630 or is it something else?

They look extremely similar...

All our frigates and corvettes carry air defence missiles. Only 3 of your fleet does.

Well,what air defence? Manpads and AA guns won't do...Does any of your fleet have dedicated air defence SAM systems?

@Penguin At what point does having an upgraded air defence system become more advantageous than having multiple CIWS? If the main threats are ship borne AShM then is having a system like Glibka and multiple CIWS preferable to having an FL3000? Or is it entirely dependent on the radar system installed (I know nothing about naval warfare)?

FL3000 is designed to intercept sea skimming cruise missiles,ballistic missiles,quasi ballistic missiles other supersonic/subsonic warheads and low flying aircrafts of any speed...while Glibka is for low flying and slow drones,helicoptors...extremely slow and low altitude aircraft...

Planning on starting a war with Singapore?

Maybe,but milking their money is a better choice...



^_^

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin At what point does having an upgraded air defence system become more advantageous than having multiple CIWS? If the main threats are ship borne AShM then is having a system like Glibka and multiple CIWS preferable to having an FL3000? Or is it entirely dependent on the radar system installed (I know nothing about naval warfare)?

Depends a bit on what CIWS. Many are gun based i.e. built around one or more 20mm to 40mm cannon. These have limited range. That is where missile based CIWS e.g. Barak-1 and RAM have advantage: they can reach out further. Which, in the case of faster incoming missiles, give you a little bit more time to engage and a bit more distance between yourself and the destroyed incoming missile (so you don't get hit by incoming debris). The Russians have in the past combined gun and missile on a single CIWS mount. However, they seem to have moved away from that in their newer ships. Further, we see larger guns e.g. Oto Melara 76mm being optimized for CIWS use (Strales/Davide) at longer range. And increasingly, point defence missile systems now double against anti-ship missiles, at longer ranges (e.g. compare Sea Sparrow and ESSM, or some of the newer IRH/ARH missiles).
A full blown CIWS e.g. Phalanx/SeaRAM and Goalkeeper, have their own independent surveillance, tracking and engagement sensors. So, they are in that sense capable of full operation irrespective of ship main sensors.

A VLS missile system is best hands down at dealing with simultaneous attack by multiple missiles from multiple directions.

The only difference between, say, Phalanx gun CIWS and SeaRAM missile CIWS is effective engagement range. Their coverage arcs are identical. So here, whether you have one or two is determined by purse (what can you afford), threat (if your most likely opponents do not have supersonic antiship weapons, you might stick with the gun CIWS) and ship type (you might, for example, put 1 on a corvette, 2 on a frigate/destroyer and 3 on an LPD/LHA/CV).

I would prefer, on small ships, to have some MANPADS on remote control mounts to complement similarly controlled small cannon. If its a high value unit, you might want a real CIWS. German navy FACs used to be equipped with 76mm and RAM. Egyptian Ambassador class have 76mm, Phalanx and RAM. Singapore's VIctory class have 76mm and Barak-1. On larger ship, e.g. corvette and light frigate, I would expect a similar fit as on high end FACs. On larger frigates and destroyers at least that or multiple units e.g. 2 Goalkeeper on Dutch Zeven Provincien 6000ton frigate versus 1 Goalkeeper on Dutch 3200 ton M-frigate. Both backed by ESSM.

 

[alaungphaya]

Thats in your borders,we have superiority in our territory...same as every country in the world...am I right?

They look extremely similar...



Well,what air defence? Manpads and AA guns won't do...Does any of your fleet have dedicated air defence SAM systems?

- The boy @UKBengali was talking about attack runs on our fleet with bombs. Which wouldn't be possible as the airforce would be protecting the fleet.


- No, that's the picture of our domestically made gatling gun. It doesn't look anything like the AK-630. For one thing the AK-630 doesn't have a man sitting in it.


- We don't have MANPADS as air-defence. We have the same missiles as MANPADS use. Big difference.

Depends a bit on what CIWS. Many are gun based i.e. built around one or more 20mm to 40mm cannon. These have limited range. That is where missile based CIWS e.g. Barak-1 and RAM have advantage: they can reach out further. Which, in the case of faster incoming missiles, give you a little bit more time to engage and a bit more distance between yourself and the destroyed incoming missile (so you don't get hit by incoming debris). The Russians have in the past combined gun and missile on a single CIWS mount. However, they seem to have moved away from that in their newer ships. Further, we see larger guns e.g. Oto Melara 76mm being optimized for CIWS use (Strales/Davide) at longer range. And increasingly, point defence missile systems now double against anti-ship missiles, at longer ranges (e.g. compare Sea Sparrow and ESSM, or some of the newer IRH/ARH missiles).
A full blown CIWS e.g. Phalanx/SeaRAM and Goalkeeper, have their own independent surveillance, tracking and engagement sensors. So, they are in that sense capable of full operation irrespective of ship main sensors.

A VLS missile system is best hands down at dealing with simultaneous attack by multiple missiles from multiple directions.

The only difference between, say, Phalanx gun CIWS and SeaRAM missile CIWS is effective engagement range. Their coverage arcs are identical. So here, whether you have one or two is determined by purse (what can you afford), threat (if your most likely opponents do not have supersonic antiship weapons, you might stick with the gun CIWS) and ship type (you might, for example, put 1 on a corvette, 2 on a frigate/destroyer and 3 on an LPD/LHA/CV).

I would prefer, on small ships, to have some MANPADS on remote control mounts to complement similarly controlled small cannon. If its a high value unit, you might want a real CIWS. German navy FACs used to be equipped with 76mm and RAM. Egyptian Ambassador class have 76mm, Phalanx and RAM. Singapore's VIctory class have 76mm and Barak-1. On larger ship, e.g. corvette and light frigate, I would expect a similar fit as on high end FACs. On larger frigates and destroyers at least that or multiple units e.g. 2 Goalkeeper on Dutch Zeven Provincien 6000ton frigate versus 1 Goalkeeper on Dutch 3200 ton M-frigate. Both backed by ESSM.

Interesting. Our (Burmese) frigates do not have a very sophisticated missile based AD system, it is a Glibka like system using either the Strela or Igla missiles in an integrated system but carry 4 units of Ak-630 CIWS guns each. How would that measure up to a barrage of C-802's in your opinion?

 

[Aung Zaya]

ice. Is it the Russian AK-630 or is it something else

Just AK-630 with stealthy feature.. bro

Okay,but our first indigneous aircraft will be flown on 2021

well.. do u have any design for this..? show me..

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Haha Myanamar would destroy Banglaland.

Myanmar would also destroy nanga Bharat.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Myanamar and Bharat will both destroy Banglaland.

After destroying Bangladesh,Myanmar would wipe out nanga Bharat from the face of the earth.