Open Discussion: Myanmar and Bangladesh Armed Force

[UKBengali]

i would disgree on this..
it will depend on the role and the mission of that corvette..
see the case of F-7..
BD 's F-7 in service at 2006 installed KLJ 6E/F ( Chinese varient of EL/M 2001b) mean while our F-7 finished isreal upgrade at around 1997.. and installed EL/M 2032 inside..

BD Type-056 has no anti-submarine capability and is optimised for surface and air-warfare(although this is limited to the 8-cell FL-3000N SAM). Nevertheless the FL-3000N system would have little difficulty in knocking out a pair of sea-skimming cruise missiles as that is what it was specifically designed to do.

Hmm ok. But it said on the page that Nigeria spent 42 million for each of theirs.

Do you have a link for this figure of 100 million each?

How much did BNS Bangabandhu cost in comparison?

The Nigerian ships are the OPV version and armament is a single NG-16-1 76 mm gun with a TR47 fire-control radar, two 30 mm. guns, and two 20 mm.

The BD ships are real warships and contain 4 C-803 anti-ship missiles and the FL-3000N(8-cell) SAM system - apologies as I had incorrectly stated earlier that the ships had the FM-90 SAM.

Type-056 contains the Type-364 radar and that is able to track missiles with RCS<0.1m2 between Mach 1-3. When combined with the FL-3000 SAM/CIWS systen, it will have little difficulty knocking out 3-4 sea-skimming cruise missiles that came at it. The radar that you keep going on about was designed in the 1970s - lol

 

[alaungphaya]

Do you work for your country's military intelligence? If not, why are you so eager to get information from our people?



This guy has all kinds of weird logic.

I'm sticking to the subject. That you have no air based naval standoff capability is a glaring omission for a country so reliant on its access to the sea.

Its all part of the "requests" from BN to BD govt.

Apparently Sheik Hasina has the ability to pull 72 4++ aircraft, 2 frigates and 4 corvettes out of her arse.

 

[Nike]

jf 17 is m

Type 056 is a front line active corvette used by PLAN.

mainly for patrol and policing duty, to backing up their coast guard task

I'm sticking to the subject. That you have no air based naval standoff capability is a glaring omission for a country so reliant on its access to the sea.



Apparently Sheik Hasina has the ability to pull 72 4++ aircraft, 2 frigates and 4 corvettes out of her arse.

something like this would be better

 

[ghost250]

jf 17 is m


mainly for patrol and policing duty, to backing up their coast guard task



something like this would be better

u dont need c-802s or fl-3000n for policing or patroling..

 

[Nike]

u dont need c-802s or fl-3000n for policing or patroling..

that's why i said, their main task is to backing up their coast guard duty as they are more cheaper to maintain and operated than let said, Frigates or Destroyer the PLAN had

 

[ghost250]

I'm sticking to the subject. That you have no air based naval standoff capability is a glaring omission for a country so reliant on its access to the sea.



Apparently Sheik Hasina has the ability to pull 72 4++ aircraft, 2 frigates and 4 corvettes out of her arse.

stop using abusive language,man..it is not helping at all..btw,what r the sam systems presnt at ur frigates right now??

 

[Nike]

stop using abusive language,man..it is not helping at all..btw,what r the sam systems presnt at ur frigates right now??

Myanmar Kyan Shittha class (two ships) till now still being equipped with turret mounted IGLA system and some 30x6 AK 630 CIWS

Meanwhile their Aung Ze ya class is being equipped with Strela MANPADS and AK 630 CIWS

not much, Bangabandu still had the edge against any Myanmar frigate, and the two type 56 corvette the BD has is comparable with the rest of Myanmar vessels although is far smaller and has less endurance as being a corvette class

 

[UKBengali]

i would disgree on this..
it will depend on the role and the mission of that corvette..
see the case of F-7..
BD 's F-7 in service at 2006 installed KLJ 6E/F ( Chinese varient of EL/M 2001b) mean while our F-7 finished isreal upgrade at around 1997.. and installed EL/M 2032 inside..

Since you at least seem not to wanting to troll.

The radar is the modern Type-364. It is well capable of handling supersonic sea-skimming missiles. To suggest a radar on a modern corvette that only came into service in 2013 is not able to handle supersonic sea-skimming missiles is ridiculous

Saying all this, the Type-056 is still somewhat behind the Ulsan class frigate in being able to handle supersonic sea-skimming missiles - my guess is that it could probably handle an attack of between 3-4 missiles while the Ulsan class will be able to deal with 4-6.

stop using abusive language,man..it is not helping at all..btw,what r the sam systems presnt at ur frigates right now??

Ignore him as he is a known moron.

 

[alaungphaya]

Ignore him as he is a known moron.

Does this mean I won't get a reply on where your other 4 corvettes are coming from?

jf 17 is m


mainly for patrol and policing duty, to backing up their coast guard task



something like this would be better

What's the big one on the right?

 

[Nike]

Does this mean I won't get a reply on where your other 4 corvettes are coming from?



What's the big one on the right?

kh 31

 

[ghost250]

Myanmar Kyan Shittha class (two ships) till now still being equipped with turret mounted IGLA system and some 30x6 AK 630 CIWS

Meanwhile their Aung Ze ya class is being equipped with Strela MANPADS and AK 630 CIWS

not much, Bangabandu still had the edge against any Myanmar frigate, and the two type 56 corvette the BD has is comparable with the rest of Myanmar vessels although is far smaller and has less endurance as being a corvette class

they r using manpads for their stealth frigates...??!!!!..even our type-056 got FL-3000..btw,those frigates r just sitting ducks there..

 

[UKBengali]

they r using manpads for their stealth frigates...??!!!!..even our type-056 got FL-3000..btw,those frigates r just sitting ducks there..

Yes and they are bragging about how "advanced" their frigates are.

Once BD starts inducting 4+ gen fighters in numbers,
Myanmar will be nothing for BD military to handle.

 

[alaungphaya]

Yes and they are bragging about how "advanced" their frigates are.

Once BD starts inducting 4+ gen fighters in numbers,
Myanmar will be nothing for BD military to handle.

they r using manpads for their stealth frigates...??!!!!..even our type-056 got FL-3000..btw,those frigates r just sitting ducks there..

Other than the Bongobandu and the two corvettes, the rest of your fleet relies on guns for their air defence.

kh 31

That's a good subject. What are the SEAD/anti-radiation capabilities of Bangladesh?

 

[Nilgiri]

The Nigerian ships are the OPV version and armament is a single NG-16-1 76 mm gun with a TR47 fire-control radar, two 30 mm. guns, and two 20 mm.

The BD ships are real warships and contain 4 C-803 anti-ship missiles and the FL-3000N(8-cell) SAM system - apologies as I had incorrectly stated earlier that the ships had the FM-90 SAM.

OK but can I have a link to the cost for the BD purchase listed as 100 million. Also what did BNS Bangabandhu cost?

Type-056 contains the Type-364 radar and that is able to track missiles with RCS<0.1m2 between Mach 1-3. When combined with the FL-3000 SAM/CIWS systen, it will have little difficulty knocking out 3-4 sea-skimming cruise missiles that came at it. The radar that you keep going on about was designed in the 1970s - lol

The chinese radar traces its original lineage back to the 70s too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_347_Radar

Development for a air defense radar system begun in July 1974, with design finalized in August 1975, consisted of two radars, the 1st being a search radar designated as Type 347S with S stands for search, and a 2nd fire control radar for guns, designated as Type 347G with G as gun. Design was completed by the 723rd Institute in May 1976 and finalized in October 1977.


There is not a huge increase in performance just by upgrading to newer generation electronics unless you change the base technology itself (i.e say go for PESA/AESA instead of pulse doppler).....because updated electronics at most improve the radar efficiency by an incremental amount....and its more than offset by the larger total power that can be found on a standard frigate system.

If you have the peak power rating for the Chinese radar, lets see it. It will be a fraction of the Thales system.

Simply saying the radar can track missiles with RCS lower than 0.1 sq m means next to nothing without the range (which I have already given...supposedly 6km)....and which is clearly not that impressive when you consider what terminal maneuvering sea skimmers are capable of doing today. I mean every radar out there has a detection and tracking capability for any small RCS target....what depends is its range to give enough time for a firing solution to be processed and delivered (from the radar side) and the SAM + CIWS to have the requisite capbility to handle the sea skimmers manuevering.

All this means simply stating 3 - 4 sea skimmer capability for this radar type....as though all sea skimmers are all identical and follow the exact same simple terminal flight path...simple does not hold water I am afraid. Is there any proof you have in the hard numbers? I mean the 6km range of detection is covered by a Mach 3 skimmer in about 6 seconds....and combine that with erratic maneuvering by the skimmers...you really think 3 - 4 is a valid guess even if you dont have a source for it?

 

[UKBengali]

The chinese radar traces its original lineage back to the 70s too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_347_Radar

Development for a air defense radar system begun in July 1974, with design finalized in August 1975, consisted of two radars, the 1st being a search radar designated as Type 347S with S stands for search, and a 2nd fire control radar for guns, designated as Type 347G with G as gun. Design was completed by the 723rd Institute in May 1976 and finalized in October 1977.


There is not a huge increase in performance just by upgrading to newer generation electronics unless you change the base technology itself (i.e say go for PESA/AESA instead of pulse doppler).....because updated electronics at most improve the radar efficiency by an incremental amount....and its more than offset by the larger total power that can be found on a standard frigate system.

If you have the peak power rating for the Chinese radar, lets see it. It will be a fraction of the Thales system.

Simply saying the radar can track missiles with RCS lower than 0.1 sq m means next to nothing without the range (which I have already given...supposedly 6km)....and which is clearly not that impressive when you consider what terminal maneuvering sea skimmers are capable of doing today. I mean every radar out there has a detection and tracking capability for any small RCS target....what depends is its range to give enough time for a firing solution to be processed and delivered (from the radar side) and the SAM + CIWS to have the requisite capbility to handle the sea skimmers manuevering.

All this means simply stating 3 - 4 sea skimmer capability for this radar type....as though all sea skimmers are all identical and follow the exact same simple terminal flight path...simple does not hold water I am afraid. Is there any proof you have in the hard numbers? I mean the 6km range of detection is covered by a Mach 3 skimmer in about 6 seconds....and combine that with erratic maneuvering by the skimmers...you really think 3 - 4 is a valid guess even if you dont have a source for it?

Why you keep going back to 1970s Type-347 radar??!!

We need to talk about Type-364 radar which has NO RELATION to Type-347 and is an upgrade of the Type-360 radar. See below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_364_Radar

It gives a range of 300km but that is most likely an extreme for very large aircraft flying at high altitude.
Just take my word for it that sea-skimming cruise missiles will be detected at 20-30kms and the radar will be able to fire 2 FL-3000N SAMs as soon as the missiles are predicted to be within the 6km engagement range.

The biggest weakness of the Type-056 corvette as regards air-defence is the low FL-3000N SAM range rather than the highly modern and effective Type-364 radar.