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there is more to this china and pakistan nexus thats meet the eye we r not just traditional friends if chian is the body we r the blood with out the one the other wouldnt survive china needs pakistan for oil and energy needs pakistan need china for stability china sees us as a detterent and pakistan sees china as a reliable partner and the feelings are not one sided but reciprocal . some thing u wont or could never comprehend u know why because of ur mentality indians r clever and opportunist and there fore sees the world in this light really there is nothing wrong with it :flame:

I would like to hear from my chinese freinds, if they agree with the highlighted statment. China cant survive without Pakistan!!! :undecided:
 
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@CardSharp

I just want one clarification from you or any other Chinese on this point.

What does issuing stapled visas to Indian Kashmiris and not Pakistani ones or not issuing visa to an invited military official has anything to do with improving relations with China?

When as India needled China with similar tactics or in any other way.


And dont expect a western journalist to understand Indian politics let alone India-Chinese relationship.
 
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I will still insist that recognising Tibet as part of China was a major concession.

Okay. Remember that China supplied India with heavy water (yes look it up) in the 80s and 90s while knowing India was working on or refining you know what - before Yankees suddenly discovered a "strategic ally" ..

Draw your own conclusion Ejaz. As I said, you are a smart guy. Insist whatever you wish to insist.

I will give you once thing, however. If India was like the Russian Empire (in "raw" strength and temperament), then most likely there would have been an independent "outer Tibet" that includes Lhasa ... But the "inner Tibet" around Kham (the part DL unrealistically wants to be supreme leader over) would still be in China.

So how about this? You should've postponed your independence - for if the mighty British Empire held sway for another 2 or 3 decades, they in some likelihood would have been able to prevent the "loss of Tibet" to godless communists ...

How's that digression food for your thought?


India had come out of colonisation of the west and wanted to get as much goodwill as possible from its neighbours and took up many anti-west stands particularly against colonisation in the early years.

That's partially true. Have you seen or heard China :taz: about your NAM stance?


You do know that the disputed territory is also under Chinese control and makes it direct party to the conflict. And that Gilgit Baltistan in Pakistan is also part of it where Chinese troops and construction is illegally taking place. Will China and Pakistan agree or object for joint control with India of these regions? Give me your honest assesment here. You can't expect GoI to be the only one that keeps comprimising on every issue.

PRC controls some barren, uninhabitable, though "strategic" rocks - that's not disputed. But will you stop this Gigit-Baltistan BS? It's beneath you ... Someone like you don't need this. Leave it for the saffron-wrapped hot heads.


Lets look at another aspect, Kashmiris from India are getting staples visas because it is disputed. Why were no stabled visas issued before 2008?And also why are not residents from Gilgit Baltistan or Pakistani Kashmir issued stapled visas? After all China is trying to follow international obligations. Any answers for that?

Frankly, I have personal reservations about the stapled visa bit. I really do. It's not in sync with the accepted modus operandi of the CCP. Maybe they are changing ... not necessarily improving. And I am not sure if it was done on "request" and out of "other concerns".


GoI has consistently tried to solve Kashmir since the problem started. You seem to be ill informed of the history. The most direct resolution that was signed by Pakistan after 1971 was to accept the LoC as IB. However, after 20 years of the agreement Pakistan reneged suddenly by sending Jihadis across the border int he early 90s.

Any so-called "treaty" signed in the direct aftermath of 1971 would be in the company of illustrious predesesors such as the "Treaty of Versailles" or the "Treaty of Sèvres" ...

The PRC never acknowledged the legality of unequal treaties (at least not willingly). Nor do they, or should they expect others to do so.

Will the PRC welcome "joint administration" of the entire historical, "Akhand" Kashmir including the barren rocks under PRC possesion?

Will India really? The answer is unlikely.

However, good deeds are often repaid in unexpected areas. How do you know the good will India generates if she acts in "good faith" in Kashmir will not translate to, say, more formal access and more legitamacy in Mount Kailash and surrounding religiously significant areas?
 
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Well, I know, India, everything must involve China, you can develop own all ways, but who cares? When did you see any chinese news have a little India, in addition to and directly related to India?

so if u dont care about India,ur newspapers r not concerned about India,ur nation is not concerned about India,I have just 1 thing to ask,what r u doing on the this thread

I dont know why members here specially Pakistani and Chinese members and a self proclaimed Taiwanese start to create furor when the thread is about Indian relation with east Asia

yes China is our imaginary enemy and our paranoia is making as build strategies against a threat which does not exist but again why in particular r u people concerned by this,since u even dont know India as a nation exist

As far as our policies r concerned we r free to go to any nation and indulge in any kind of cooperation,this is none of the business of any other nationals,since they to r doing the same,they r no one to complaint
 
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I would like to hear from my chinese freinds, if they agree with the highlighted statment. China cant survive without Pakistan!!! :undecided:

I don't know in what context this was posted but this is nonsense. China's energy needs are met by the ME, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and by internal production. I am not even aware Pakistan is a net exporter of Petro.

Pakistan is more than ally, it is a friend but China is not dependent economically on Pakistan and the thinking that China "props" Pakistan up is quite wrong.
 
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I don't know in what context this was posted but this is nonsense. China's energy needs are met by the ME, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and by internal production. I am not even aware Pakistan is a net exporter of Petro.

he may b talking about the diversion of ur energy lines through Gwader:undecided:
 
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so if u dont care about India,ur newspapers r not concerned about India,ur nation is not concerned about India,I have just 1 thing to ask,what r u doing on the this thread

I dont know why members here specially Pakistani and Chinese members and a self proclaimed Taiwanese start to create furor when the thread is about Indian relation with east Asia

yes China is our imaginary enemy and our paranoia is making as build strategies against a threat which does not exist but again why in particular r u people concerned by this,since u even dont know India as a nation exist

As far as our policies r concerned we r free to go to any nation and indulge in any kind of cooperation,this is none of the business of any other nationals,since they to r doing the same,they r no one to complaint

India is not the air, after all, exist in the world, I do not want to play word games, but India is not part of China's influential life,true.In addition, I joined this thread, just tired of India against China, everywhere, this hostility can bring peace?
 
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I dont know why do we fall in such provocative traps. If china is issuing stapled visa to indains in J& K, whats the fuss about? Let them do whatever they want do. All we have to do is just deny immigration clearance to people with such visas. That's it. The more we respond, the more we solve the purpose of their provocations.
 
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PRC controls some barren, uninhabitable, though "strategic" rocks - that's not disputed. But will you stop this Gigit-Baltistan BS? It's beneath you ... Someone like you don't need this. Leave it for the saffron-wrapped hot heads.

Sorry oceanx, can you clarify if you consider Gilgit Baltistan as part of disputed territory of historical Jammu Kashmir?

If you say no, then that means you are not aware of the UN resolutions or the history of the conflict and hence will need to get yourself educated on this matter.

Since this is a basic point, I suggest you do you research on this before making any statements about it.



Will the PRC welcome "joint administration" of the entire historical, "Akhand" Kashmir including the barren rocks under PRC possesion?

Will India really? The answer is unlikely.

However, good deeds are often repaid in unexpected areas. How do you know the good will India generates if she acts in "good faith" in Kashmir will not translate to, say, more formal access and more legitamacy in Mount Kailash and surrounding religiously significant areas?

You didntanswer my question, but I will assume you mean China and Pakistan will not agree to allowing India joint administration.

But guess what according to Musharraf four point formula India was finalising an agreement of joint adminstration as well. Google the plan and you will see the broad outlines that were decided as a concession from all sides to reach a settlement.

You know the good will India got for moving along those lines---the mumbai attacks.
 
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India is not the air, after all, exist in the world, I do not want to play word games, but India is not part of China's influential life,true.

Same here. for more than a billion Indians, China is a country from where they get cheap mobile phones and other cheap things, nothing more.
 
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I don't know in what context this was posted but this is nonsense. China's energy needs are met by the ME, Russia, Iran, Venezuela and by internal production. I am not even aware Pakistan is a net exporter of Petro.

Pakistan is more than ally, it is a friend but China is not dependent economically on Pakistan and the thinking that China "props" Pakistan up is quite wrong.

Pakistan is not an exporter of petroleum. It's as depended on imports as China or India. He probably meant that China imports/transports lots of petro products through Pakistan.
 
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he may b talking about the diversion of ur energy lines through Gwader:undecided:

Simple Gewader is all about building redundancy into our supply lines. It would be crucial on in times of absolute emergency. Traditional sea-lanes are much cheaper and faster to use right now and there is no emergency looming in the future.


Pakistan is not and exporter of petroleum. It's as depended on imports as China or India. He probably meant that China imports/transports a lots of petro products through Pakistan.

Yeah thanks I think I understand now.
 
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India is not the air, after all, exist in the world, I do not want to play word games, but India is not part of China's influential life,true.In addition, I joined this thread, just tired of India against China, everywhere, this hostility can bring peace?

India against China,man this is the mentality of us Indians as i earlier stated since when India is not a fact than concerns u,why r u wasting ur time,since u had already told India do not have any influence on Chinese life,i consider it as a waste of time by u,let Indians live in their own fantasy
 
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Still no answer from any Chinese member here for what I asked. Do they believe in the statment made by a pakistani member here that "China cant survive without pakistan?

You've already been answered. Posts #35 #42
 
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