One eye on China, India opens up to Japan, Korea

[huzihaidao12]

Same here. for more than a billion Indians, China is a country from where they get cheap mobile phones and other cheap things, nothing more.

If it is true, we do not need this debate, you can care about China, but not from good intentions from the direction? Or you do not care about, the Indian media and the Government of India for the commentary really affect China's domestic public sentiment, after all, is the network society, information society.

 

[footmarks]

I don't know in what context this was posted but this is nonsense.

@muqeet khan: hope you read this. Get your feet on grounds, and learn to respect others for what they have done for you.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

This has already been proven to be complete BS. India was never ever offered a SC seat.

Post the proof,it"ll be informative for many of us here.

ontopic
From a defence perspective India can learn from South Korean and Japanese ventures the ,5th generation fighter and South Korean modern battle tank being built jointly with Turkey.Beyond that there is no more scope,as nor the Japan or South Koreans are confident we can be of any help in regard to their threats the primary one being China.They know India lacks the political will for a strong stand or being a nuisance for China despite the fact we have a security pact with Japan.


Regarding China-India ,we Indians should ask ourselves what do we have that is of particular interest of China?so far nothing!

Like a Chinese member said about us :"You're neither charming nor scary"
i.e As long as India's development is not as impressive as Japan's or our military capabilities as powerful as USA, we will continue to remain out specific Chinese interest.

We are a mere market power as of now,and until we become a global power,lets remain sturdy on our statements and keep our actions and words to ourselves.

 

[IBRIS]

Get your Kashmir facts right, India tells China

India on Friday conveyed its "serious concerns" to China over the reported presence of Chinese troops in Pakistan 0ccupied Kashmir and rejected Beijing's description of Jammu and Kashmir as "India-controlled Kashmir".

India's Ambassador to China S Jaishankar met Chinese Vice Minister for Foreign Affairs Zhang Zhijun in Beijing on Friday and conveyed New Delhi's "serious concern over China's activities in Pakistani 0ccupied Kashmir (P0K)", official sources said.

The issue of the reported presence of Chinese troops in Gilgit-Baltistan also figured in the discussions, reliable sources said.

The envoy reiterated India's objections to the Chinese plan to build dams and other infrastructure projects in the P0K, added sources.

Jaishankar also protested against the description of Jammu and Kashmir by a Chinese official as "Indian-controlled Kashmir" and P0K as "northern part of Pakistan".

"The story that China has deployed its military in northern part of Pakistan is totally groundless and out of ulterior purpose," Jiang Yu, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman, said on Thursday.

"Some people are fabricating reports to destroy relations between China, Pakistan and India. But their efforts will get nowhere," she said.

Jiang, however, made it clear Beijing will stick to its policy about stapled visas for Indians living in Jammu & Kashmir, a practice India has protested repeatedly, but with no impact on Beijing.

India has made it clear that issuing stapled visas amounted to questioning India's sovereignty over Jammu and Kashmir.

Jaishankar returned to Beijing on Thursday after briefing Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his senior ministers at a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security in New Delhi on Tuesday.

The meeting reviewed India-China relations and discussed options in dealing with what is seen in New Delhi as aggressive posturing by China on issues critical to India's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

In response to a report in the New York Times (NYT) that claimed around 11,000 Chinese troops were present in Gilgit-Baltistan region administered by Pakistan, China dismissed the report late on Wednesday night, saying these reports were designed to hurt its ties with India.

India took some time to verify these reports before conveying to Beijing its concerns that came amid tension in its ties with China over the denial of visa to a senior India Army commander on grounds that his command included Jammu and Kashmir.

The NYT report linked the military presence to China’s plans to gain a "grip on the strategic area to ensure unfettered road and rail access to the Gulf through Pakistan".

On Monday, Indian external affairs ministry spokesperson Vishnu Prakash said in New Delhi: "If true, it would be a matter of serious concern and we would do all that is necessary to ensure the safety and security of the nation."
Get your Kashmir facts right, India tells China - Hindustan Times

 

[oceanx]

Sorry oceanx, can you clarify if you consider Gilgit Baltistan as part of disputed territory of historical Jammu Kashmir?

If you say no, then that means you are not aware of the UN resolutions or the history of the conflict and hence will need to get yourself educated on this matter.

Since this is a basic point, I suggest you do you research on this before making any statements about it.

I concede that I don't have encyclopedic knowledge on the entire Kashimiri dispute in its glorious details. Heck, I don't even have some of facts on the gory details of the Taiwan dispute.

What's the ues of me or you commmenting on the northern areas? I personally accept that there are no PLA combat troops there and that's the end of it.

Unless you give me proof (not innuendos from NYT).

But aren't the protests everyone can see mainly in the Kashmir Valley? So why not start with "joint administration" there? I am curious and I want to know.

You didntanswer my question, but I will assume you mean China and Pakistan will not agree to allowing India joint administration.

But guess what according to Musharraf four point formula India was finalising an agreement of joint adminstration as well. Google the plan and you will see the broad outlines that were decided as a concession from all sides to reach a settlement.

You know the good will India got for moving along those lines---the mumbai attacks.

As I said, don't unnecessarily enlarge a conflict when the best solution is to limit it. If you bring in the "joint administration" of PRC-possessed barren rocks, then are you going to "jointly" administer Tawan and "South Tibet"?

And why not then the whole China and India and from there the world as we know it?

Start with something realistic and small ... accumulate some good will and let's all build on that.

Musharraf's bygones be bygones. Nobody benefited from 26/11 Mumbai, NOBODY!

Move forward. Even "Binyamin" is looking to do that ...

 

[footmarks]

If it is true, we do not need this debate, you can care about China, but not from good intentions from the direction? Or you do not care about, the Indian media and the Government of India for the commentary really affect China's domestic public sentiment, after all, is the network society, information society.

I agree with you on one point- Indian media is way too sensational. General public dont really believe in what they convey. Its just here in PDF that people,from all nationality, quote Indian media's sensationalization of petty issues. Just because it creates a good thread with heated debates and scores of replies.

You will also agree on my point i suppose, that such news do create a good thread in PDF (like this one), dont they??

 

[huzihaidao12]

On China and Pakistan, trade routes, which is the Asian country's economic development needs, as long as both sides to exercise restraint (50 years already), it is not a problem, after all, all Asian countries need now is to develop economy and improve people's lives, " European and Asian rail link, "even need the cooperation of the whole of Asia, including India, not in need? This is not the exclusive threat, but rather cooperation, this will be the subject of future development in Asia.

 

[huzihaidao12]

I agree with you on one point- Indian media is way too sensational. General public dont really believe in what they convey. Its just here in PDF that people,from all nationality, quote Indian media's sensationalization of petty issues. Just because it creates a good thread with heated debates and scores of replies.

You will also agree on my point i suppose, that such news do create a good thread in PDF (like this one), dont they??

I care about the result, PDF's influence is too small, compared to the people of both sides, not worth mentioning.

 

[CardSharp]

Post the proof,it"ll be informative for many of us here.

Sorry I misspoke. I meant to say that there is no credible proof that there was such an offer not that I have proof that it wasn't offered. I think the onus is on the author of the article who first claim it no?

You will also agree on my point i suppose, that such news do create a good thread in PDF (like this one), dont they??

No because it makes me look like an extremist with my rants. but when the articles get it so wrong, I am moved to a overly passionate rebuttal.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

If it is true, we do not need this debate, you can care about China, but not from good intentions from the direction? Or you do not care about, the Indian media and the Government of India for the commentary really affect China's domestic public sentiment, after all, is the network society, information society.

I admit the fact our media goes ballistic on China very often.But i don't think its one-sided.

For ex:in the aftermath of Mumbai attacks there was an article posted by Chinese media speculative that the perpetrators were Hindu fundamentalist based on the saffron bands noticed on their arms.I don't know if it was for Pakistani appeasement,but it hurt Indian public sentiments pretty bad.

Even though in general Chinese media generally projects Pakistan as no.1 ally ,Japan as no.1 competitor and India usually ignored.But such examples as above remain long in the memory of people.

 

[EjazR]

@oceanx

I am not following you here. Just three points

1. It was you who raised the joint administration point. And I said that why joint adminstration of the Indian part of J&K alone. Why not the entire historical state of J&K since the entire territory is disputed. Its unfeasible but I just wanted to highlight that point to you. This is not Enlargment of the conflict. This is the conflicted territory as per UN resolutions.

2. Gilgit Baltistan is a part of historical J&K and hence part of the disputed terriroty. Hence a resolution would involve a resolution of this as well. PLA troops are there to help out flood victims and all but that was not what I was talking about

3. There are protest in Xinjiang/East Turkistan,Tibet as well. There are protests in other parts of India as well. There have been five full fledged insurgencies in Balochistan Pakistan demanding independance. If media coverage was to define which territory belongs to who, then we would have changing borders all the time.
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Now let me say that India-China relationship are not in a freefall or anything. But the point I am raising is what does China get in these visa tactics. You yourself have expressed scepticism, so you can understand how unnecessary and provacative it would look to Indian officials.

That is the main issue here. Resolution of J&K is a bilateral matter between India and Pakistan where China does not have any role to play as acknolwdged by its own spokesperson.

 

[CardSharp]

I admit the fact our media goes ballistic on China very often.But i don't think its one-sided.

For ex:in the aftermath of Mumbai attacks there was an article posted by Chinese media speculative that the perpetrators were Hindu fundamentalist based on the saffron bands noticed on their arms.I don't know if it was for Pakistani appeasement,but it hurt Indian public sentiments pretty bad.

Even though in general Chinese media generally projects Pakistan as no.1 ally ,Japan as no.1 competitor and India usually ignored.But such examples as above remain long in the memory of people.

Callous absolutely, ignorant yes. Going ballistic not really. Most news regarding India on CCTV is coverage of leader visits, diplomatic agreements, and military exchanges (CCTV7)

 

[huzihaidao12]

I admit the fact our media goes ballistic on China very often.But i don't think its one-sided.

For ex:in the aftermath of Mumbai attacks there was an article posted by Chinese media speculative that the perpetrators were Hindu fundamentalist based on the saffron bands noticed on their arms.I don't know if it was for Pakistani appeasement,but it hurt Indian public sentiments pretty bad.

Even though in general Chinese media generally projects Pakistan as no.1 ally ,Japan as no.1 competitor and India usually ignored.But such examples as above remain long in the memory of people.

Please give me a link, the Chinese media's remarks, also, even if true, the Chinese media have almost negligible, or how we survived the bombing of the noise from the Indian media. OK, give me the link?

 

[indushek]

WTF, recently i am seeing too many India vs China threads. Damn TOI and other sensationalist journalism. Its like a soap opera now, dragging on and on.

I say let the Chinese do whatever they want and let us get down to our own work.

Personally people (90% for sure and 99.99% i expect) here are more concerned with their personal lives rather than some visa stapling exercise.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Please give me a link, the Chinese media's remarks, also, even if true, the Chinese media have almost negligible, or how we survived the bombing of the noise from the Indian media. OK, give me the link?

I"ll PM the link to you,if i post it here ,we"ll be further derailing from the topic.