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On Rafale and deadly Panther choppers, India gets a huge offer from France

Design Features

Aerodynamic Configuration
  • Bifurcated side air inlet with incorporation of latest
    BUMP intake technology for improved performance
  • Leading edge maneuvering flaps
  • Trailing edge flaps
  • Twin Ventral Fins
Landing Gear
  • Nose gear with steering
  • Main gear with paddle controlled hydraulic brakes and
    anti-skid braking system.
Comfortable Cockpit Escape and Egress System
  • NVG compatible cockpit conforming to US MIL
    Standard, suitable for 3% to 98% percentile range of pilots.
  • Single Piece Stretch Acrylic Transparent Canopy
    providing a good all around Field of Vie
  • Ejection Seat
    • Latest Martin Baker high performance ejection seat
    • Canopy Severance System for additional safety
    • French Oxygen Regulation System
    • Passive Leg Restraint System
Environment Control System and Oxygen System
  • Effective control of cockpit pressure and temperature
  • Effective temperature and humidity control of cockpit
    and avionics for optimum performance
  • Efficient Anti G system for Pilot
  • Oxygen supply duration three hours
Flight Control System
  • Composite Flight Control System comprising
    conventional controls with stability augmentation in roll
    and yaw axis and fly by wire in pitch axis
  • Quad-redundancy in Fly By Wire System
  • Autopilot with Altitude hold and Attitude hold modes
Fuel System
  • Total internal fuel 5130 lb (3000 liters)
  • Single point pressure refueling system
  • External Fuel
    • One centre line drop tank 800 liters
    • Two under wing drop tanks 800/1100 liters
Its probably not a whole system but part of system, just me 2 cent bro
 
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No further RAFALE, your 36 RAFALE cost you 9 billion $$$, its mere a speculations/rumors that you're getting extra RAFALEs, no deals yet to be signed for more RAFALE

you mean you hope there are no more orders.

our Air,chiefs have already opened discussions with dassult about follow on order or the favourite to win s,mmrca order for 114 medium.weight fighters .
imo we can only afford 40 as we are spending 5 billion on 83 tejas in February.

114 Rafale or block 72 f16 would cost 20 billion way too much

we will go with 40 Rafale and 83 tejas
 
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you mean you hope there are no more orders.

our Air,chiefs have already opened discussions with dassult about follow on order or the favourite to win s,mmrca order for 114 medium.weight fighters .
imo we can only afford 40 as we are spending 5 billion on 83 tejas in February.

114 Rafale or block 72 f16 would cost 20 billion way too much

we will go with 40 Rafale and 83 tejas
i just simply said NO CONFIRMATION, and how do you get 83 Tejas in February?? with only 8 per year???
And there is also no confirmation about MMRCA-2 tender, some Indian say it will not happen and some say it will be (only rumors/speculations)
 
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you mean you hope there are no more orders.

our Air,chiefs have already opened discussions with dassult about follow on order or the favourite to win s,mmrca order for 114 medium.weight fighters .
imo we can only afford 40 as we are spending 5 billion on 83 tejas in February.

114 Rafale or block 72 f16 would cost 20 billion way too much

we will go with 40 Rafale and 83 tejas

Nothing will happen until orders are placed, and now it seems Indian defence is staring into a financial blackhole.

Lowest growth rate in 40 years

Massive increase in spend due to LAC flare up

Increasing pensions burden

Reason many major deals that have been "approved" but not signed is that there simply is no money in the pot.
 
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The indians will be paying through their nose for all of this stuff.
 
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Nothing will happen until orders are placed, and now it seems Indian defence is staring into a financial blackhole.

Lowest growth rate in 40 years

Massive increase in spend due to LAC flare up

Increasing pensions burden

Reason many major deals that have been "approved" but not signed is that there simply is no money in the pot.


we also have record,forex 580 billion dollars
the reason the deal is delayed untom
Nothing will happen until orders are placed, and now it seems Indian defence is staring into a financial blackhole.

Lowest growth rate in 40 years

Massive increase in spend due to LAC flare up

Increasing pensions burden

Reason many major deals that have been "approved" but not signed is that there simply is no money in the pot.

covid has had impact on all.countries even China.
this does not stop long term.modernisation
tejas will be signed aero India 2021 at 5 billion dollars spread over 5 years
Rafale second batch will.happen just like mki was staggered purchase
50 in 1999
149 in 2004
40 in 2009
42 in 2014

Rafale will be staggered
next order in 2022 f4 version
about the time first 36 delivered

as for not affording
580 billion in forex,our financial.woes pale in insignificance compared to 90 percent of the world
 
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we also have record,forex 580 billion dollars
the reason the deal is delayed untom


covid has had impact on all.countries even China.
this does not stop long term.modernisation
tejas will be signed aero India 2021 at 5 billion dollars spread over 5 years
Rafale second batch will.happen just like mki was staggered purchase
50 in 1999
149 in 2004
40 in 2009
42 in 2014

Rafale will be staggered
next order in 2022 f4 version
about the time first 36 delivered

as for not affording
580 billion in forex,our financial.woes pale in insignificance compared to 90 percent of the world

Do you understand what FOREX reserves mean? You do realise it has nothing to do with your defence budget right? It's like saying I have £10,000 in savings for my entire household, in theory I can go on a £9,900 holiday, does not mean I can actually afford to do so.

Please tell me you are on posting on a public forum and trying to debate without knowing what Forex reserves mean, please tell me you are not emabressing yourself and other Indians by showing such ignorance...
 
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Do you understand what FOREX reserves mean? You do realise it has nothing to do with your defence budget right? It's like saying I have £10,000 in savings for my entire household, in theory I can go on a £9,900 holiday, does not mean I can actually afford to do so.

Please tell me you are on posting on a public forum and trying to debate without knowing what Forex reserves mean, please tell me you are not emabressing yourself and other Indians by showing such ignorance...

indian defense budget this fiscal.yearv
60 billion dollars or 2 percent of our GDP
split
into
20 billion operational costs including ladakh like build up
20 billion salaries wages pensions etc
5 billion research and developments and other admin costs
15 billion capex or in simple terms costs of weapons purchases across three services,
not sure about split between 3 service but it can't be far off 5 billion each for army navy air forces
my point about forex or gdp which sometimes,annoys natives,is to highlight India,is nation of substance we are not relying on tiny gdp or Tiny forex or imf or hand outs from.friendly states .
large powerful.and able to buy top.end weapons as our needs change
Rafale hornets nuke subs or helicopter programmes drones,etc are all feasible and reachable
it's,not pie in the sky numbers
forex for the record is used to subsidise trade imbalances.
trust me 580.billion is a lot of money
I believe yours is 14 billion in comparison
Bangladesh 30 billion
indian forex may be 6th or 7th largest on the planet .
do you understand why usa or France or Russia or Israel swarm.over India offering joint weapon development.t or setting up manufacturing hubs with partial
shared technology.
you know why its dollars they smell money a mile off
 
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So is india buying a 100 Rafael or not ?

if yes This would be the best news for Pakistan as India will never be able to buy enough to counter Pakistan let alone China but the 100 Rafael will make a massive dent in India’s defence budget. While Pakistan in the meantime can ramp up production of jf-17s and hopefully build or get 5th generation stealth fighters under project azm.

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And how does the constant whining ,crying and begging of the most despicable people and nation on earth becomes new news ?
 
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After Russia now France is planning to milk this cow while getting rid of old equipment in the process.
 
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indian defense budget this fiscal.yearv
60 billion dollars or 2 percent of our GDP
split
into
20 billion operational costs including ladakh like build up
20 billion salaries wages pensions etc
5 billion research and developments and other admin costs
15 billion capex or in simple terms costs of weapons purchases across three services,
not sure about split between 3 service but it can't be far off 5 billion each for army navy air forces
my point about forex or gdp which sometimes,annoys natives,is to highlight India,is nation of substance we are not relying on tiny gdp or Tiny forex or imf or hand outs from.friendly states .
large powerful.and able to buy top.end weapons as our needs change
Rafale hornets nuke subs or helicopter programmes drones,etc are all feasible and reachable
it's,not pie in the sky numbers
forex for the record is used to subsidise trade imbalances.
trust me 580.billion is a lot of money
I believe yours is 14 billion in comparison
Bangladesh 30 billion
indian forex may be 6th or 7th largest on the planet .
do you understand why usa or France or Russia or Israel swarm.over India offering joint weapon development.t or setting up manufacturing hubs with partial
shared technology.
you know why its dollars they smell money a mile off

Forex is not for defence forces to spend, it's what the entire country is holding in foreign currency, you have to be really dumb not to understand this

Yes, whole world understands India overpays for high tech weapons that it cannot use properly (Spice Missile, Spyder SAM), whilst at the same time it cannot afford to equip it's entire force properly.

Latest report (by former Indian MOD official) shows that current defence budget means India cannot afford to pay for it's CURRENT LIABILITIES let alone new orders.

It is tragic you take pride in the fact that you can buy weapons from abroad whllst every major Indian programme dies a slow death. This will ultimately be the unravelling of India's defence modernisation.
 
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There is some truth to it.
France didn't gave the best offer for the upgrade of Augusta 90 B submarines. Neither any significant equipment given to Jf 17.
no, in the official contract French did participate but lost to turkey.
French are providing equipment for rd93

however, i agree france will not provide major equipment that will annoy india
No further RAFALE, your 36 RAFALE cost you 9 billion $$$, its mere a speculations/rumors that you're getting extra RAFALEs, no deals yet to be signed for more RAFALE
india will have to pick and choose
my guess is it will sing for 36 more rafales and LCA
nothing more till 2030
 
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