Old Bangla Photos

[integra]

Quite a good dose of Infos are being scribbled as it seems over here, some rather interesting debates also. Well as far as my head can synch Bengal was always at a threshold point in this quest for the expansion of early Haplogroups .

Just for the record haplogroup R1a found in pretty high percentage (72%) among bengali brahmins.

Well if theres one Haplogroup in Bengal that has to be traced it should be U2C unless you’re specifically highlighting some mutations (or a rather lame flame Bait!). Heres what I can find on U2 (u2c is rather common in BD and WB).

Haplogroup U2 is found primarily in South Asia, but probably is of Indo-European origin as it is found at low frequencies throughout the Pontic-Caspian steppe and has been identified in a 30,000 year-old Cro-Magnon from the middle Don valley in Russia. It might have been the dominant haplogroup of the northern forest-steppe foragers who later became the Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers and moved massively to Central and South Asia.

I am Bangladesh. I am the continua-tor of the great ancient Dravidian Nation. The people who doesn't recognize this main root of Bangladeshi Nation are not Bangladeshi at all. Those are confused and have lost their identity or they are outsiders or the the agents of outsiders.
We are not a myth. We are the great Dravidian Bangladeshi Nation

A rather one sided conclusion isn’t it ? Your conclusion seems to be wrong upto a certain extent as Dravids were only a part of the picture. Nothing to do with racism or such as the recent genographic projects have concluded that all of us spreads from Africa anyways.


This is the migration routes of Haplogroup M, M174, B,F. at around 40k BC.

Shows that even back then Bengal(not that it was Bengal back then !) was crossed by major Haplogroups spreading from Africa to Autralia.

Even if one traces back to 60,000 BC, the treads were there.
Group M

Which means crediting our race to the color of skin be it Dark or Light is rather unfortunate.

 

[Loyus]

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[Md Akmal]

United Bengal

As the Hindu-Muslim conflict escalated and the demand for a separate Muslim state of Pakistan became popular amongst Indian Muslims, the partition of India on communal lines was deemed inevitable by mid-1947. To prevent the inclusion of Hindu-majority districts of Punjab and Bengal in a Muslim Pakistan, the Indian National Congress and the Hindu Mahasabha sought the partition of these provinces on communal lines. Bengali nationalists such as Sarat Chandra Bose, Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy, Kiran Shankar Roy, Abul Hashim, Satya Ranjan Bakshi and Mohammad Ali Chaudhury sought to counter partition proposals with the demand for a united and independent state of Bengal. Ideological visions for a "Greater Bengal" also included the regions of Assam and districts of Bihar.[citation needed] Suhrawardy and Bose sought the formation of a coalition government between Bengali Congress and the Bengal Provincial Muslim League. Proponents of the plan urged the masses to reject communal divisions and uphold the vision of a united Bengal. In a press conference held in Delhi on April 27, 1947 Suhrawardy presented his plan for a united and independent Bengal and Abul Hashim issued a similar statement in Calcutta on April 29. A few days later, Sarat Chandra Bose put forward his proposals for a "Sovereign Socialist Republic of Bengal." With the support of the British governor of the Bengal province, Frederick Burrows, Bengali leaders issued the formal proposal on May 20:

1.Bengal would be a Free State. The Free State of Bengal would decide its relations with the rest of India.

2.The Constitution of the Free State of Bengal would provide for election to the Bengal Legislature on the basis of a joint electorate and adult franchise, with reservation of seats proportionate to the population among Hindus and Muslims. The seats set aside for Hindus and Scheduled Caste Hindus would be distributed amongst them in proportion to their respective population, or in such manner as may be agreed among them. The constituencies would be multiple constituencies and the votes would be distributive and not cumulative. A candidate who got the majority of the votes of his own community cast during the elections and 25 percent of the votes of the other communities so cast, would be declared elected. If no candidate satisfied these conditions, that candidate who got the largest number of votes of his own community would be elected.

3.On the announcement by His Majesty's Government that the proposal of the Free State of Bengal had been accepted and that Bengal would not be partitioned, the present Bengal Ministry would be dissolved. A new interim Ministry would be brought into being, consisting of an equal number of Muslims and Hindus (including Scheduled Caste Hindus) but excluding the Chief Minister. In this Ministry, Chief Minister would be a Muslim and the Home Minister a Hindu.

4.Pending the final emergence of a Legislature and a Ministry under the new constitutions, Hindus (including Scheduled Caste Hindus) and Muslims would have an equal share in the Services, including military and police. The Services would be manned by Bengalis.

5.A Constituent Assembly composed of 30 persons, 16 Muslims and 14 non-Muslims, would be elected by Muslim and non-Muslim members of the Legislature respectively, excluding Europeans.

The Muslim League and the Congress issued statements rejecting the notion of an independent Bengal on May 28 and June 1 respectively.[citation needed] The Hindu Mahasabha also agitated against the inclusion of Hindu-majority areas in a Muslim-majority Bengal, while Bengali Muslim leader Khawaja Nazimuddin and Maulana Akram Khan sought the exclusion of Hindu-majority areas to establish a homogenous Muslim Pakistan.[citation needed] Amidst aggravating Hindu-Muslim tensions, on June 3 British viceroy Lord Louis Mountbatten announced plans to partition India and consequently Punjab and Bengal on communal lines, burying the demand for an independent Bengal.

 

[mil-avia]

In late mediaeval Bengal traders engaged with trade with Indsonesia were Persian while the trade with Malacca was in the hands of the Tamil Keling merchants.

Related links : one, two, three & four.

 

[mil-avia]

Tomé Pires believed that the first Muslim king of Pasai was a Bengali, and that Pasai subsequently had a special relation with Bengal.*

Related link.


* Pasai is in northern Sumatra island or Aceh.

 

[Avisheik]

United Bengal

As the Hindu-Muslim conflict escalated and the demand for a separate Muslim state of Pakistan became popular amongst Indian Muslims, the partition of India on communal lines was deemed inevitable by mid-1947. To prevent the inclusion of Hindu-majority districts of Punjab and Bengal in a Muslim Pakistan, the Indian National Congress and the Hindu Mahasabha sought the partition of these provinces on communal lines. Bengali nationalists such as Sarat Chandra Bose, Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy, Kiran Shankar Roy, Abul Hashim, Satya Ranjan Bakshi and Mohammad Ali Chaudhury sought to counter partition proposals with the demand for a united and independent state of Bengal. Ideological visions for a "Greater Bengal" also included the regions of Assam and districts of Bihar.[citation needed] Suhrawardy and Bose sought the formation of a coalition government between Bengali Congress and the Bengal Provincial Muslim League. Proponents of the plan urged the masses to reject communal divisions and uphold the vision of a united Bengal. In a press conference held in Delhi on April 27, 1947 Suhrawardy presented his plan for a united and independent Bengal and Abul Hashim issued a similar statement in Calcutta on April 29. A few days later, Sarat Chandra Bose put forward his proposals for a "Sovereign Socialist Republic of Bengal." With the support of the British governor of the Bengal province, Frederick Burrows, Bengali leaders issued the formal proposal on May 20:

1.Bengal would be a Free State. The Free State of Bengal would decide its relations with the rest of India.

2.The Constitution of the Free State of Bengal would provide for election to the Bengal Legislature on the basis of a joint electorate and adult franchise, with reservation of seats proportionate to the population among Hindus and Muslims. The seats set aside for Hindus and Scheduled Caste Hindus would be distributed amongst them in proportion to their respective population, or in such manner as may be agreed among them. The constituencies would be multiple constituencies and the votes would be distributive and not cumulative. A candidate who got the majority of the votes of his own community cast during the elections and 25 percent of the votes of the other communities so cast, would be declared elected. If no candidate satisfied these conditions, that candidate who got the largest number of votes of his own community would be elected.

3.On the announcement by His Majesty's Government that the proposal of the Free State of Bengal had been accepted and that Bengal would not be partitioned, the present Bengal Ministry would be dissolved. A new interim Ministry would be brought into being, consisting of an equal number of Muslims and Hindus (including Scheduled Caste Hindus) but excluding the Chief Minister. In this Ministry, Chief Minister would be a Muslim and the Home Minister a Hindu.

4.Pending the final emergence of a Legislature and a Ministry under the new constitutions, Hindus (including Scheduled Caste Hindus) and Muslims would have an equal share in the Services, including military and police. The Services would be manned by Bengalis.

5.A Constituent Assembly composed of 30 persons, 16 Muslims and 14 non-Muslims, would be elected by Muslim and non-Muslim members of the Legislature respectively, excluding Europeans.

The Muslim League and the Congress issued statements rejecting the notion of an independent Bengal on May 28 and June 1 respectively.[citation needed] The Hindu Mahasabha also agitated against the inclusion of Hindu-majority areas in a Muslim-majority Bengal, while Bengali Muslim leader Khawaja Nazimuddin and Maulana Akram Khan sought the exclusion of Hindu-majority areas to establish a homogenous Muslim Pakistan.[citation needed] Amidst aggravating Hindu-Muslim tensions, on June 3 British viceroy Lord Louis Mountbatten announced plans to partition India and consequently Punjab and Bengal on communal lines, burying the demand for an independent Bengal.

It was a noble effort to unite the two bengals, but alas politicians had other things in mind

 

[mil-avia]

The Bengalis were also settled in Malacca, the most important sea-port in Southeast Asia of medieval times, in large numbers and were employed there as workmen, fishers and tailors. From Tomé Pires' evidence it appears that their "sharp-wittedness" aroused the jealousy of the local people of Malacca. It appears that Tomé Pires himself was greatly impressed by the sharp wits of the Bengalis.


Related posts.

 

[Musalman]

Ooo Bhai its a photo thread

 

[mil-avia]

Penang World Heritage Site :: Bengali Mosque



Address: Lebuh Leith Penang.

The South Asians from Bengal first came to Penang in the late 18th century as 'sepoys' and convicts with the East India Company. Francis Light also brought out some Bengal farmers from Calcutta to encourage agricultural enterprise on the island. While the early Bengalis hailed from Bengal, the term 'Bengali' soon came to apply to other northern Indians who travelled overland to Calcutta in West Bengal and then sailed to Penang.

The mosque is believed to have been founded in 1803 on a site granted by the East India Company during George Leith's term as Lieutenant-Governor of Penang. Rebuilt on 1958. Urdu was probably the principal language used in this mosque although in certain periods the dwindling Urdu-speaking population was overshadowed by an increase in Tamil worshippers. Today, the Masjid Bengali has become a base for the Tablighi movement, and the main languages used here are Malay and Tamil.

 

[mil-avia]

Bengali Sunni Jameh Mosque in Yangon, Myanmar (Rangoon, Burma), across from Sule Pagoda, 1600 x 1200 pixels :

Title written in Bengali, Burmese and English languages on front wall.

This mosque is probably the most popular among tourists and business travellers as it is located in the heart of the city, along Sule Pagoda Road. It is 5-min walk from Traders Hotel and about 10-15 min walk from Bogyoke Market (Scott Market). Friday prayers time is the busiest. Prayers hall is air-conditioned. Sule Pagoda is just right in front of it. Halal restaurants are aplenty around the mosque. Just ask locals. UN Representative Mr Ibrahim Gambari offered prayers here when he was in Yangon in 2008 negotiating the release of Daw Aung San Su Kyi with the Myanmar military government.

 

[mil-avia]

Masjid Jamek Bengali, Yangon, 1000 x 750 pixels :

No doubt that this is one of the big masjids with a distinctive mosque design, looking from outside. It is located along the road leading all the way to the downtown area. The masjid is surrounded by ******* living in the apartments. Only 10 min drive from the downtown.

 

[LaBong]

Well if theres one Haplogroup in Bengal that has to be traced it should be U2C unless you’re specifically highlighting some mutations (or a rather lame flame Bait!). Heres what I can find on U2 (u2c is rather common in BD and WB).

I'm really not comfortable at discussing this as this sometimes come under borderline racism, but yeah Bengali Brahmins do show high frequency of R1A1.

Please follow the link : Polarity and Temporality of High-Resolution Y-Chromosome Distributions in India Identify Both Indigenous and Exogenous Expansions and Reveal Minor Genetic Influence of Central Asian Pastoralists

 

[Al-zakir]

I am Bangladesh. I am the continua-tor of the great ancient Dravidian Nation. The people who doesn't recognize this main root of Bangladeshi Nation are not Bangladeshi at all. Those are confused and have lost their identity or they are outsiders or the the agents of outsiders.

We are not a myth. We are the great Dravidian Bangladeshi Nation.

You are a real Sheikh or fake Sheikh. Usually in South Asia, Sheikh are considered as Arab descent. So, How can you be Dravidian and Sheikh at the same time.

 

[mil-avia]

The formation of Chinese maritime networks to Southern Asia, 1200-1450 : PDF / G Docshttps://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...ncOwNL&sig=AHIEtbQVJ3QNeijFB2Mv_FQuOhbrGFENZg

This document has 33 pages and mentions "Bengal" 69 times.

 

[Zabaniyah]

You are a real Sheikh or fake Sheikh. Usually in South Asia, Sheikh are considered as Arab descent. So, How can you be Dravidian and Sheikh at the same time.

He's a troll.