OBL raid: US raid team member claims Chinook resupply helicopter evaded attack by PAF F-16

[War Thunder]

But the chopper used in the operations were stealthy ones and were feom Black hawk DNA.

Stealthy does not mean undetectable or unshootable.

 

[HammerHead081]

What a load of BS, how can choppers evade missile attack from modern fighter jets. It was simply Ghadari not letting PAF initiate any attacks and letting the foreigners invade our land. We lost any respect we had left infront of world at that. Shameful moments.

 

[War Thunder]

Amazing article about special operations Chinook pilot Chief Warrant Officer 5 Douglas Englen .

Let no apologists for the PAF and the military rulers of Pakistan claim that the US and Pakistan worked together and that permission was given for this operation.

4 helicopters flew well inside Pakistan. 2 landed in a refueling point and were there for 2 hours +. Two more choppers flew in to Abbottabad. Killed Osama. One crashed. The refueling chopper flew into Abbottabad . They flew back to the refueling point!!!
And then 3 choppers flew back to AFG.

So many shocking details in this article, please take the time and read.

So hopefully this puts the PAF's unsuccessful role in this Abbottabad operation crystal clear to fanbois.

Meanwhile, Englen’s lone Chinook on its way back was engaged three times by a Pakistani F-16. Because he’d anticipated and planned for that, he was able to defeat and evade the fighter jet.

“It was as an electronic fight. A missile never left the rail. So I was able to evade him electronically. That’s all I’ll say. But, he was searching and hunting for me, and three times came very close to actually launching a missile,” Englen said.

He'd done that before with other fighter jets on other missions.

"That's why we were picked for this mission. And, I was one of the few who trained 160th crews how to do that," he added.

Regardless, they were still jinking and jiving, flying nap-of-the-earth.

"We pulled every technique and tactic out of the book. And it worked," he said.

The risk was different, depending on who you asked.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...bin-laden-mission-details-for-the-first-time/

Seeing your skills with the English language, I wonder what makes you hide behind two American Flags?

Even if the scenario went as written here.

1) If the F-16 pilot came close to launching a missile, that means he knew where the helicopter was. That means if they really wanted to bring it down they could simply launch a dozen other anti air shit at it from the ground after having established its location.

2) If some thing as slow as a helicopter is detected, it does not need a missile to be launched to be taken out. The Fighter pilot could easily close the gap and shoot it down with the cannon.

3) A helicopter, regardless of how stealthy or advanced is dead meat against any airborne fighter jet. Even if it were a MIG 21. Once detected, it's bye bye.

4) Your lack of IQ in understanding how aerial warfare works still doesn't prove IAF as any less incompetent and how poorly they performed on 27th of Feb, 2019.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Yeah whoever that ex ISI guys was he wasn't alone. They used ex SSG and tri services heavily in Blackwater and passed some on to their Indian brothers in TTP. Hence the precise targetting of Kamra, PNS Mehran and GHQ etc.

Leak was within army ranks. Zardari was not even allowed to visit GHQ.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1181266

Imagine PAF get alert , the moment Indian plane reach 40 miles border radius. Obviously, path was cleared by someone. Living in Kakul area and not knowing by army, hard to digest. But, it is Pak-US joint operation. Seems Pak wanted US to take out Osama to close this chapter forever. Before Osama presence create some huge problem for Pakistan.
May be those F16 escorted the helicopter. So, do there job in agreed flight path and leave.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Amazing article about special operations Chinook pilot Chief Warrant Officer 5 Douglas Englen .

Let no apologists for the PAF and the military rulers of Pakistan claim that the US and Pakistan worked together and that permission was given for this operation.

4 helicopters flew well inside Pakistan. 2 landed in a refueling point and were there for 2 hours +. Two more choppers flew in to Abbottabad. Killed Osama. One crashed. The refueling chopper flew into Abbottabad . They flew back to the refueling point!!!
And then 3 choppers flew back to AFG.

So many shocking details in this article, please take the time and read.

So hopefully this puts the PAF's unsuccessful role in this Abbottabad operation crystal clear to fanbois.

Meanwhile, Englen’s lone Chinook on its way back was engaged three times by a Pakistani F-16. Because he’d anticipated and planned for that, he was able to defeat and evade the fighter jet.

“It was as an electronic fight. A missile never left the rail. So I was able to evade him electronically. That’s all I’ll say. But, he was searching and hunting for me, and three times came very close to actually launching a missile,” Englen said.

He'd done that before with other fighter jets on other missions.

"That's why we were picked for this mission. And, I was one of the few who trained 160th crews how to do that," he added.

Regardless, they were still jinking and jiving, flying nap-of-the-earth.

"We pulled every technique and tactic out of the book. And it worked," he said.

The risk was different, depending on who you asked.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...bin-laden-mission-details-for-the-first-time/

Here is my take.
Dear PAF, hire thing guy for a training. If I were wealthy, I swear to Allah I would have hired this guy for 10 days training for PAF pilots, on what ever money he demanded. At least this techniques should be in our books.
Secondly, the guys who think PAF is some awesome out of the world air force, should read this. Many times it's the electronic systems we are dealing with, not men.

 

[HAIDER]

still curious , where was the remain of that helo.

 

[Jungibaaz]

With USN F/A-18 Super Hornets lurking alongside the Afghan border, Rao Qamar Suleman barred the F-16s to engage with the choppers. Two F-16A's were on CAP at that time.

This fool thinks the F-16 couldn't engage his slow moving rotor aircraft. These matters were decided way above the pay grade of this idiot and he thinks he survived because he was. clever. Sounds like Minti Agerwal 1.0

However, Unfortunately, this will remain a leadership crisis of Asif Ali Zardari, which spurred down to the Rao Qamar Suleman (God knows how he climbed the ranks). Obama had to win and this had to be done.

If anyone thinks these Chinooks are capable enough to evade gun sights of fighters, then he or she needs to go back to the drawing board of learning basics about air combat.

From PAF’s perspective, this story checks out. But even had there not have been any F-18s, the choppers still we’re not have been engaged. It’s like you said these matters were decided above all of our collective pay grades, that includes above the ‘pay grade’ of Asif Zardari for a time. Eventually someone who was in the loop will spill the real story in a book or something.

 

[The Accountant]

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Amazing article about special operations Chinook pilot Chief Warrant Officer 5 Douglas Englen .

Let no apologists for the PAF and the military rulers of Pakistan claim that the US and Pakistan worked together and that permission was given for this operation.

4 helicopters flew well inside Pakistan. 2 landed in a refueling point and were there for 2 hours +. Two more choppers flew in to Abbottabad. Killed Osama. One crashed. The refueling chopper flew into Abbottabad . They flew back to the refueling point!!!
And then 3 choppers flew back to AFG.

So many shocking details in this article, please take the time and read.

So hopefully this puts the PAF's unsuccessful role in this Abbottabad operation crystal clear to fanbois.

Meanwhile, Englen’s lone Chinook on its way back was engaged three times by a Pakistani F-16. Because he’d anticipated and planned for that, he was able to defeat and evade the fighter jet.

“It was as an electronic fight. A missile never left the rail. So I was able to evade him electronically. That’s all I’ll say. But, he was searching and hunting for me, and three times came very close to actually launching a missile,” Englen said.

He'd done that before with other fighter jets on other missions.

"That's why we were picked for this mission. And, I was one of the few who trained 160th crews how to do that," he added.

Regardless, they were still jinking and jiving, flying nap-of-the-earth.

"We pulled every technique and tactic out of the book. And it worked," he said.

The risk was different, depending on who you asked.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...bin-laden-mission-details-for-the-first-time/

Lolz at the claim. Radar guided missiles can be stopped by electronic counter measure but what about side winders which are heat seeking missiles that are not dependent on radars. And even if some how all electronics were jammed why didn't the gun was used? A large and slow moving target like chinook is really easy to be taken down by canons.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Amazing article about special operations Chinook pilot Chief Warrant Officer 5 Douglas Englen .

Let no apologists for the PAF and the military rulers of Pakistan claim that the US and Pakistan worked together and that permission was given for this operation.

4 helicopters flew well inside Pakistan. 2 landed in a refueling point and were there for 2 hours +. Two more choppers flew in to Abbottabad. Killed Osama. One crashed. The refueling chopper flew into Abbottabad . They flew back to the refueling point!!!
And then 3 choppers flew back to AFG.

So many shocking details in this article, please take the time and read.

So hopefully this puts the PAF's unsuccessful role in this Abbottabad operation crystal clear to fanbois.

Meanwhile, Englen’s lone Chinook on its way back was engaged three times by a Pakistani F-16. Because he’d anticipated and planned for that, he was able to defeat and evade the fighter jet.

“It was as an electronic fight. A missile never left the rail. So I was able to evade him electronically. That’s all I’ll say. But, he was searching and hunting for me, and three times came very close to actually launching a missile,” Englen said.

He'd done that before with other fighter jets on other missions.

"That's why we were picked for this mission. And, I was one of the few who trained 160th crews how to do that," he added.

Regardless, they were still jinking and jiving, flying nap-of-the-earth.

"We pulled every technique and tactic out of the book. And it worked," he said.

The risk was different, depending on who you asked.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...bin-laden-mission-details-for-the-first-time/

Filthy Indian....

I know the details and believe me When we are on air no U.S fighter was inside our airspace....They were allowed secretly to do a drama for Obama's election by Zardari.....OBL was dead long back in Tora Bora....Only his remaining family living there with U.S permission....

still curious , where was the remain of that helo.

Back to U.S after inspecting and taking down samples....

 

[R Wing]

Amazing article about special operations Chinook pilot Chief Warrant Officer 5 Douglas Englen .

Let no apologists for the PAF and the military rulers of Pakistan claim that the US and Pakistan worked together and that permission was given for this operation.

4 helicopters flew well inside Pakistan. 2 landed in a refueling point and were there for 2 hours +. Two more choppers flew in to Abbottabad. Killed Osama. One crashed. The refueling chopper flew into Abbottabad . They flew back to the refueling point!!!
And then 3 choppers flew back to AFG.

So many shocking details in this article, please take the time and read.

So hopefully this puts the PAF's unsuccessful role in this Abbottabad operation crystal clear to fanbois.

Meanwhile, Englen’s lone Chinook on its way back was engaged three times by a Pakistani F-16. Because he’d anticipated and planned for that, he was able to defeat and evade the fighter jet.

“It was as an electronic fight. A missile never left the rail. So I was able to evade him electronically. That’s all I’ll say. But, he was searching and hunting for me, and three times came very close to actually launching a missile,” Englen said.

He'd done that before with other fighter jets on other missions.

"That's why we were picked for this mission. And, I was one of the few who trained 160th crews how to do that," he added.

Regardless, they were still jinking and jiving, flying nap-of-the-earth.

"We pulled every technique and tactic out of the book. And it worked," he said.

The risk was different, depending on who you asked.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...bin-laden-mission-details-for-the-first-time/

So called 'Analyst'. Before measuring the thickness of my cranium, please take the effort to read the article.

Those words are not mine! These words are of the Pilot in Command of the chopper operation into Abbottabad.

And what is this BS about F-16 not getting clearance ? Just made up something or can you back it up with sources?

And where did India come in the picture ? Are you so obsessed !?

Oh, yes --- a pilot serving on one side of a covert mission is definitely to be believed. Excellent.

The only real account --- or at least closest to reality --- is from Seymour Hersh, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. I suggest you read that if you're so interested in Pakistan's territorial integrity.

US can't never thank enough Asif Ali Zardari.

Nope. Kayani & Pasha allowed it. They chose to overtly display incompetence and covertly cooperate. A horrible gamble for which they should be tried for treason (not that Zardari would have done any differently... he's a scumbag too.)

 

[Sine Nomine]

It was simply Ghadari not letting PAF initiate any attacks and letting the foreigners invade our land. We lost any respect we had left infront of world at that. Shameful moments.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Oh, yes --- a pilot serving on one side of a covert mission is definitely to be believed. Excellent.

The only real account --- or at least closest to reality --- is from Seymour Hersh, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. I suggest you read that if you're so interested in Pakistan's territorial integrity.



Nope. Kayani & Pasha allowed it. They chose to overtly display incompetence and covertly cooperate. A horrible gamble for which they should be tried for treason (not that Zardari would have done any differently... he's a scumbag too.)

Totally agreed. Kiyani and Pasha incompetency should be investigated and they should stand for a court martial.

 

[Windjammer]

Hi,

" KILL SWITCH " young man---kill switches are real---.

You car has a kill switch which you can use anytime you want to---it is called the alarm or security system to disable your car from being started---.

Why would someone think that the world's super power would nt add one to the machines that it manufactured---.

Indian members take not---. Get any fighter aircraft from the US---they will come equipped with the kill switches---

Do these so called kill switches only work according to ones wishes.!!!

U.S. JETS OVER IRAQ ATTACK OWN HELICOPTERS IN ERROR; ALL 26 ON BOARD ARE KILLED
By Michael R. Gordon
April 15, 1994
https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/15/...ters-in-error-all-26-on-board-are-killed.html

 

[Genghis khan1]

Raid was a huge embarrassment for Pakistan and overseas Pakistanis.

Pakistan military and establishment was caught with their pants down while bend over for Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam did the deed praised Pakistan for taking it like a champ and not complaining about it.

Atleast that how international morning News Papers depicted US raid as cartoon.

 

[Kingslayerr]

What a shit load of crap